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Converting appreciation into affection

KJ Francis

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On the “social dangers” point, are these real in this century? Cosmopolitan has been publishing articles with headlines like “How to give him a better blowjob” since the 1970s at least. Most women of reproductive age today, outside of the most conservative regions of the world, have been brought up in an emancipated environment, surely?
Yes I agree society is increasingly nonjudgmental, but I think a woman's social reputation still involves her perceived "purity". A sexually enlightened woman is a competitive threat to other women, and also a threat to men's value of loyalty and devotion.

It's kind of a secondary point though. If you are framing courtship as the woman winning you over for your sexual mate value (rather than you earning her affection), I think it is still important to assume all responsibility through the seduction, typically maintain plausible deniability, etc.
 

empath

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@empath, you’re saying the lady shouldn’t have accepted a dinner invitation from me for the sake of her own protection. Yet the site encourages us to seek sex. You see the dilemma I face, no?


I never used that expression. However, she did give off the general air of being uninterested in serious commitments


See, seeking sex is different.

Communicating that you want sex is different.

Lastly, all I saying, you seeking sex is ok!

But she don't owe you sex for a fancy date.

You make it happen by arousing her, overcoming her resistance, objection and escalate to sex.


P.S.
If you were trying to play coy or something where you wanted her to initiate sex. Then it was a game problem. You need extream push and pull for it. Spike her emotions and arouse her and also communicate only way you two end up in bed is she fucking you.
 
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Tryst

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at some stage I run out of further things to offer. You imply that the next step is on me, after completing all the previous steps of getting her air tickets, hotel, restaurant bookings, figuring out what we are going to do…
Trolling
 

Marty

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If the "appreciation" is for your provider value, she may lay the charm on thick to reward you for it and encourage more of it.
I totally see the appeal of romantic evenings out.
Do you have the One Date program, @KJ Francis? I subscribed to it back in 2018, and was just rewatching one of the videos from the Dating Artisan series. In it, Chase recommends that if you don‘t yet have your “sexy vibe” down (which I certainly don’t at this time—not sure where to start) you should show some boyfriend value instead, otherwise she’s got nothing to get attached to, so to speak. I guess I was doing this unconsciously, but I can understand the logic behind it too.

I see now in the FR link though that you actually are the one who turned her down.
That’s not strictly true. The dinner and boat trip were on a Saturday. Sunday in the early part of the day we had brunch on Hare Island at a place she recommended and walked and took photos a bit, but I hightailed it out of there early enough to get some proper rest ahead of a much more important meeting that evening. Monday I texted her to say I didn’t think we were suited for a longer-term partnership, mainly because she had been making noises about how she wanted a serious man on the boat as the evening drew to a close, which was a little incomprehensible to me considering the carefree image she put across as I mentioned several times above. But I never ruled out something more casual, and indeed we met up again just a couple months later.

Not your usual helpful self, Tryst. Remember, I’m here to learn.

What baffled me was that she took very badly to being told, even in the gentlest terms, that I wasn’t in a hurry to travel with her again after the last time had turned out less worthwhile than I had expected. She fired off a seemingly unending volley of insulting text messages, eventually compelling me to block her.
 
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