19y old girl with 50 year old man. WTF?!

[wardog]

If you followed the news recently, you will have heard about a famous russian oppositional being gunned down on the street while in company of his girlfriend.
Now as i read a bit about the whole thing it turns out that guy was 55 and his girlfriend a model of 23 years and they met when she was 19.

I frown.
I look at picture of the two.
BREAK.

My brain makes a weird crackling sound, my jaw drops open and i'm starring at my screen while this one word cycles through my brain over and over and over "WTF?!".

How in the world, does a pretty young girl like this, want to fuck someone who is more than 30 years older than herself, when she could have all the sexiest men in the world?
I am unable to wrap my mind around this, seriously, how can a beautiful, 19 year old girl be drawn to some old wrinkled cock when she has options over options, can status be this powerful?

Since i started reading GC i have learned a lot about the female mind and i overcame my fair share of flawed mindsets, but this...this is hard...Help please, my brain hurts.

 

[Lajakiro]

This guy was one of the absolute leading opposition members and frequently on newspapers and TV, so yeah, pretty damn high status I guess.

Maybe also the thrill of the moment of being with a man who could be gunned down any minute. Okay that was bad.

 

[D_Smooth1900]

Shows you how much social status is really worth

 

[wardog]

Better believe I'll be fucking 19 year olds when I'm 50. I'm doing it now and I'm 27, I'm only going to get more charming, wealthy and powerful as life goes on. Looking forward to it actually.

That didn't help me understand anything.
I understand that a 50y old man would bang a 19y old girl, guess i would too if i was that age, but it's not the man's motivation i'm trying to get my head around.

I bet she could have had a charming, wealthy and powerful guy who was about 27, let it be 37, but 50 ?

 

[Mr.Rob]

seduction doesn't judge based on age like everyone else who places sooo much weight on the number of times you've flown around the sun on a rock.

If you look at the guy he doesn't look super old and creepy, he's in decent enough shape and his fundamentals from a peak at it aren't totally out of whack either.

 

[wardog]

seduction doesn't judge based on age like everyone else who places sooo much weight on the number of times you've flown around the sun on a rock [...]

What about the larger perspective? I mean when this girl turns 35, the guy would have been 65. He would have long passed his sexual prime, while she's still attractive and good to go. And then, after another maybe 10 years he will have none sexual value whatsoever, probably die and she'll be alone at the end of her sexual prime with significantly less options than when she was younger. I just can't see how the girl benefits in such a scenario.

 

[Drck]

Well, think about it, the guy has (had) everything: decent look (although it is not about looks), maturity, experience with girls. He had fame, name recognition, and I'm sure decent money. He had IQ, confidence. He had balls to stand up against powerful guy. He was a leader, he had hadpowerful social circle. Don't know him but it is safe to assume that he had quite charming personality....

How many charmful and powerful guys are there at age 27? I know bunch of them. No, 0. ZERO. Most of the guys at this age (95-99%??) are immature, most don't have any charm, they don't have much experience with girls at all. Probably most have troubles approaching good looking girls, not even talking about providing great sex. Name recognition? Not unless you are some actor or singer. Money? Sure, if you have rich daddy. Balls? LOL! Look around and judge on your own...

Should she worry about his sexual value 10 years from now? Why? She could get his money and with that look she can still fuck any guy she wants, even 10 years from now...


Basically she had ALL the benefits available with this ONE guy...

 

[Lotus]

I mean when this girl turns 35, the guy would have been 65

Who's to say he won't have moved on to a young broad by the time she is 35.

 

[wardog]

Who's to say he won't have moved on to a young broad by the time she is 35.

This ain't the point. Let's assume a monogamous LTR, since apparently they have been together for about 4 years.
Besides that, if he finds another 19y old girl that is not just a gold digger by the time he is 65, i'll have an even harder time getting this into my head.

Again, it's not about the man's motivation, i know mens motivations. I'm here to understand the female side.

 

[Franco]

wardog,

You're putting this female on too much of a pedestal is the problem. Just because YOU think this girl can get a wealthy, powerful man who looks like Brad Pitt at the age of 27 does not mean she thinks she can get that type of guy. And as a matter of fact, any "wealthy, powerful guy" at the age of 27 probably isn't shagging only ONE chick.

To be honest, I don't even find her all that attractive when we're talking about the caliber of guy she's dating. If I saw her and my current girlfriend in a bar (without knowing either one), I'd probably still go after my current girlfriend first as there are physical attributes about her that I prefer to this girl's physical traits. When I see this type of situation, to me it looks like she lucked out that she was able to get a man who was so powerful and so wealthy at such a young age.

It's really all about perception, and your perception of what happened here is influencing how you think things SHOULD be as opposed to how they actually ARE.

As (I believe) has already been mentioned from skimming through the posts, women are looking to secure down a man as a provider. And if you're an older man who's obviously in a position of such power like this man was, then it lets the girl know that you're a very secure choice for powerful offspring and a solid provider. And keep in mind that at the top echelon of men and women, men reign supreme. Women are consciously aware of this, and if a man carries himself like he's the cream of the crop, then she's going to assume he's the cream of the crop.

This is probably something that's easier to understand once you're regularly going to bed with relatively hot girls. You'll find that they're actually a dime a dozen, and then when you see things like this, your mindset changes to, "she got THAT guy? She must have been pretty lucky to meet him at a point where he was looking to settle down."

- Franco

 

[wardog]

Franco,

thanks, that did help a bit:

You're putting this female on too much of a pedestal is the problem. Just because YOU think this girl can get a wealthy, powerful man who looks like Brad Pitt at the age of 27 does not mean she thinks she can get that type of guy [...]

But this just adds to my confusion:

[...] women are looking to secure down a man as a provider. And if you're an older man who's obviously in a position of such power like this man was, then it lets the girl know that you're a very secure choice for powerful offspring and a solid provider.

As i mentioned earlier, if she is at the age of 35, he will be 65, ten more years and he's likely to bite the dust, leaving her alone with significantly less dating options than when she was younger and the offspring without a father.
In additon, sperm quality in older men also declines and with that the risk of having weaker offspring increases. So doesn't the large age gap actually add insecurity in the long term?

 

[Franco]

wardog,

As i mentioned earlier, if she is at the age of 35, he will be 65, ten more years and he's likely to bite the dust, leaving her alone with significantly less dating options than when she was younger and the offspring without a father.

The fact that she has a chance to secure this man as a husband is part of the excitement for her. Also, as far as most women are concerned, they want to be married and secure a man by 27 at the latest, so him being around 50 right now is not really an issue. She's also not concerned about when he bites the dust -- if she stays romantically involved with him (and possibly becomes his wife), then she can secure a future for her and her children financially.

Most women do not get a shot to be with a man of his stature, and since she's only 19, she can certainly bid a few of her younger years banking on him settling down with her. If three to five years from now he dumps her, then she's still in her early 20s and ripe for the picking by other powerful men.

In additon, sperm quality in older men also declines and with that the risk of having weaker offspring increases.

Again, this isn't that much of a concern. If this man really wants to conceive with her, he'll likely be able to make it happen. The worst case scenario would be in vitro fertilization, but again, these are things that a woman is not thinking about when she's with a powerful man. She's going to assume that, if they stay together, they can conceive a child within a reasonable amount of time.

So doesn't the large age gap actually add insecurity in the long term?

No, because you're thinking too far ahead. Long-term for her is 3 to 5 years (as I mentioned), whereas you're thinking 10+ years in advance. This girl will likely have settled down with this man long before then (and possibly had children) or the two will have stopped seeing each other at that point.

- Franco

 

[Marty]

Wardog,

To become a leader of a political party (SPS), in any society, requires élite qualities. To become an opposition leader in a society where political opposition is not tolerated requires an stupendous degree of persistence, courage and manliness. Nemtsov had genetic superiority written all over him.

When I see this type of situation, to me it looks like she lucked out that she was able to get a man who was so powerful and so wealthy at such a young age.

I fully agree with Franco.

I look at picture of the two.
BREAK

Not sure what "Break" means (probably because I'm not a Millennial, LOL) but the guy was actually fucking hot. Don't forget that all the pictures you see of famous actors etc. are taken when they're looking their best. Take a look:

How many charmful and powerful guys are there at age 27? I know bunch of them. No, 0. ZERO. Most of the guys at this age (95-99%??) are immature, most don't have any charm, they don't have much experience with girls at all.

Agree, Drck. My girlfriend (26) calls them "puppies". (I'm sure she'd revise her opinion if she met some of the younger fellas from this forum, but as your statement in fact implies, those are an élite that represent 1% or less of all men that age. And yes I was a "puppy" myself back then.)

More importantly, this is a man who risked his life (and lost it) for his cause. As stated over and over and over on this site, having a purpose greater than oneself in this way is an immensely attractive masculine quality to women.

-Marty

 

[wardog]

To become a leader of a political party (SPS), in any society, requires élite qualities [...] Nemtsov had genetic superiority written all over him.

I don't think this is necessarily true. You have to have SOME sort of quality, i agree, but to be at the right place at the right time is even more important.
Otherwise most of the political leaders would be sex symbols, which, well...in most cases they're not.

Not sure what "Break" means (probably because I'm not a Millennial, LOL) but the guy was actually fucking hot.

"Break" just meant "Pause", like my brain froze for a moment. He does look better on that picture you posted than on the one i posted, but i watched interviews with him and i really didn't find him all that attractive.
Strange how attractiveness is so differently perceived by people.

I wonder though, would a 27 year old version of this man have had an even better shot with her, or does this really come down to status and security?

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Steven Bauer, who played Tony Montana's(Scarface) right hand Man, Manny in the famous movie, started a little media stir last fall when he was spotted with an 18-year old girlfriend while he was age 57!!!!!

 

[Ezio]

Well, nobody is giving a guarantee that she is not going to betray him.

 

[Drck]

Hey Marty, good to hear from you, it's been a while... Hope you are doing great, especialy with new GF


Wardog, that is what some girls simply do. He is a fatherly-like figure to her, mature, wealthy, famous, huge social circle... Sugga daddy, she got everything that most girls dream of. Should she go out with young guy who has no clue what is he doing, or oder guy who is an established 'star' in his circles? It's no brainer. When you look around you can see bunch of similar pairs, he's older, regular guy in his late 40's even 50's, and she is 20-25 years younger...

 

[wardog]

Transmitting the right energy to get a woman wet is all it takes, and unfortunately I don't yet have the vocabulary to explain that concept further.

I don't think that's all that blurry, a woman doesn't feel things for no reason, there's always something triggering it. This site is all about teaching just that

This is why I can talk to a woman openly about having a small harem of women, show her dick pics on my phone, have her talking about her tits and pussy within a few minutes of meeting me [...]

Slightly going offtopic here, but out of interest: Can you do that with EVERY girl you've just met, or are you preselecting?

 

[Chase]

Wardog-

Already covered it!:

• Dating Younger Women: Does It Make You 'Dirty'?

• Attracting and Dating Younger Women

The first article linked explores the 'why's of this, including some bits of research you may find interesting.

Basically though, the allure of the successful older man is that he is a proven model. A younger man, no matter how promising, remains unproven.

Some other ones that may make your head spin is that women go crazy for married men (easy hack for picking up more consistently in bars and nightclubs: wear a wedding ring) and men who have children (nothing says preselection like a guy who's already put babies into women's bellies).

There's a lot they don't tell guys on Twitter or MSNBC...

Also, if you find that girl scintillatingly hot, you may want to plan a trip to the former Soviet Union... there are many more far prettier than her (she'd rank as roughly 'cute' in Russia). The women that come out of Mother Russia are truly exquisite (although the ones who end up in America for some reason tend not to be so attractive compared to the ones who go elsewhere - maybe it's the cultural animosity. Some quite gorgeous Eastern Bloc girls in the U.K., though).

Oh, and as for the sperm quality discussion, you may find this bit of research intriguing:

The outcome of fertility treatments using donor sperm is not dependent on male age, but on the quality of sperm

In this case, when you combine sperm from men aged 41 to 45 with young women's eggs, 30.4% of these pairings result in live births. Meanwhile, combining sperm from men under age 20 with young women's eggs, 28.3% of these pairings resulted in live births.

There's a lot of literature on sperm quality, and much of it is contradictory. More of it claims quality declines in male sperm, while some of it does not; much of what claims a decline is looking at older male sperm + older female eggs, which muddies the waters somewhat. But on this one, the jury's still out, and if there is an effect, it isn't exactly screamingly obvious.

Chase

 

[wardog]

Chase,

thanks, well, some of it does make my head spin, but overcoming old mindsets and adopting new ones is almost never a painless process.
I discovered this site way too late and feel i have wasted a large chunk of my twenties, but it seems i have a lot more years to catch up for what i missed out on, so actually these are some pretty good news!


Drexel,

[...] and it really helps if you genuinely have no interest in other peoples' opinions of you in general.

yeah, not giving a shit about what people think of you is a pretty powerful thing.