FU 2 LMRs, 1 night

[Darius]

Hello everyone,

It's 2AM and I'm writing this cause I feel like an idiot and I want my dick to shrivel and fall off since I have no real use for it anyway.

2 dates tonight. Both from online, I'm getting really consistent results using the process outlined by @Regal Tiger. I got laid twice last week (same girl), and I thought I was going to be on a roll tonight. It's always easier when you have good momentum.

Introducing HB1

I was working all day today at a physical job. I had a date planned with her, but the work took a lot longer to finish than I thought. I was running late, so I let her know. After I finished I rushed to the date spot, didn't even get a chance to shower, just changed clothes (this becomes important later).

A stunning 30y fashion designer. Great ass, cute face, nice girl all around. We have coffee together. We talk, etc etc. and end up at my place. All smooth sailing so far. She comes in, I get her a glass of wine, we sit in the kitchen and chat. Somehow when we're in the kitchen, we just don't click as much. I thought it was the medium. I could feel she was a bit on guard. And me as well, I wasn't really getting nervous, it was more like I was waiting for the mood to be right to kiss her.

She talks about a trip to Stockholm she did all alone. I act surprised and tell her 'no way. It's super cold there, you really should have gone with someone, getting cozy and cuddling'. I look her in the eyes and pull her in for the kiss. She accepts, all good.

We talk some more, then I ask her to go to bed. One thing leads to another, I put my hands in her bra and start rubbing her. It's all good and well, we keep talking, I'm saying silly stuff, she's saying silly stuff. But then, she takes my hand off her breasts and says it's too soon!

Fair enough, I'm used to that, but I was really horny. 5 minutes go by, I try to kiss her again, this time she resists. Again 'too soon'. She says she doesn't put out like that. I'm like okay, well it's just sex it's nothing special. She goes 'well I just don't feel like it'. I don't say anything.

We keep talking. She starts asking A LOT about me. Whether I have a family, whether my parents are together. It's like she's doing an investigation on what I am. I always thought this meant she wants safety. So I answered all the questions. Then I tried to escalate again. She lets me touch her boobs, and kisses me. I put my hand between her legs and massage it. She accepts it for a second, then again 'too soon'. And she wants to leave.

I say I'm sorry to see her leave but if that's what she wants then okay. I escort her out. Blue ball city.

Enter HB2

I was just about to take a shower. Tinder bleeps again. Matched with a girl, also cute. 23y redhead. We chat for a bit, she is VERY receptive. I ask her what she's doing, she says nothing. I was saying I like to paint, I asked her to show me her paintings. She agrees, and we meet up.

We meet on the street and go upstairs to her place. Very cozy place, quite nice. We sit together, we have a chat etc. Kiss, all good. When I kissed her though right after she goes 'no tongue'. Oh boy, I know this script.

We keep talking. I give her a massage. Get her pants off, her top off. Then I get mine, and put my cock on top of her and rub it. She moans. Suddenly I realise I smell really badly cause I was working all day and I couldn't shower. I felt really self conscious, so I excused myself from up on her and went to the bathroom to wash. I took a full blown shower.

I get out of the bathroom, and she's fully dressed and sitting in a corner. Bruh... :/

I escalate again, we talk about a lot of different things. Again she asks me everything about myself. Who I live with, do I have brothers, etc. Again I answer. Again I try to escalate. And again 'too soon', and 'I'm not a whore'.

Man it's like these 2 women talked with each other beforehand and decided what the script was tonight. Both of them wanting to know a lot about me, me escalating, and 'it's too soon' or 'i don't feel like it'.

Oh and I left this girl's place when she said she's sleepy. And on the way out she asked me 'do you hate me?'. What a question. I told her I liked her but since she was not open I'm not going to like her as much. We talked a bit more, and I left.

Conclusion

So here I am, smelling like 2 different girl perfumes mixed together in some eau d'loser, ego bruised and frustrated.

What am I doing wrong with these kind of girls? It's always the same scenario where we talk, I escalate, somehow the vibe isn't there or it gets broken (as for HB2), I get some HEAVY LMR when I escalate. Girls just seem to feel like sluts, and there's no way I can pull them out of it once they're there.

If you've read this far, I appreciate it. And I'd appreciate any tips on how to deal with these kinds of women if you have any.

Best,
Darius

 

[Regal Tiger]

Hello everyone,

It's 2AM and I'm writing this cause I feel like an idiot and I want my dick to shrivel and fall off since I have no real use for it anyway.

2 dates tonight. Both from online, I'm getting really consistent results using the process outlined by @Regal Tiger. I got laid twice last week (same girl), and I thought I was going to be on a roll tonight. It's always easier when you have good momentum.

Glad you're getting dates set up!

Introducing HB1

I was working all day today at a physical job. I had a date planned with her, but the work took a lot longer to finish than I thought. I was running late, so I let her know. After I finished I rushed to the date spot, didn't even get a chance to shower, just changed clothes (this becomes important later).

A stunning 30y fashion designer. Great ass, cute face, nice girl all around. We have coffee together. We talk, etc etc. and end up at my place. All smooth sailing so far. She comes in, I get her a glass of wine, we sit in the kitchen and chat. Somehow when we're in the kitchen, we just don't click as much. I thought it was the medium. I could feel she was a bit on guard. And me as well, I wasn't really getting nervous, it was more like I was waiting for the mood to be right to kiss her.

She talks about a trip to Stockholm she did all alone. I act surprised and tell her 'no way. It's super cold there, you really should have gone with someone, getting cozy and cuddling'. I look her in the eyes and pull her in for the kiss. She accepts, all good.

We talk some more, then I ask her to go to bed. One thing leads to another, I put my hands in her bra and start rubbing her. It's all good and well, we keep talking, I'm saying silly stuff, she's saying silly stuff. But then, she takes my hand off her breasts and says it's too soon!

Fair enough, I'm used to that, but I was really horny. 5 minutes go by, I try to kiss her again, this time she resists. Again 'too soon'. She says she doesn't put out like that. I'm like okay, well it's just sex it's nothing special. She goes 'well I just don't feel like it'. I don't say anything.

We keep talking. She starts asking A LOT about me. Whether I have a family, whether my parents are together. It's like she's doing an investigation on what I am. I always thought this meant she wants safety. So I answered all the questions. Then I tried to escalate again. She lets me touch her boobs, and kisses me. I put my hand between her legs and massage it. She accepts it for a second, then again 'too soon'. And she wants to leave.

I say I'm sorry to see her leave but if that's what she wants then okay. I escort her out. Blue ball city.

One of my escalation processes if there is some resistance is to do this:
1) Just cuddle for a few minutes before anything
2) Start gently 'tracing' her body with your hands. Never stopping anywhere always continuing on. Start in the safer areas like the arms. But definitely get the back if can. I've personally found that rubbing the back is a winner
--> what I mean by tracing is that you're just kind of exploring her body, or outlining it with your hand/hands
--> start above clothes but then kind of move them out of the way after a while, but again, you're focused mostly on safer areas at this point
3) After a few minutes of this try to 'accidentally' brush up against some naughtier areas outside the clothes. But again, don't ever stop anywhere specific
4) Maybe gently kiss her neck/back/whatever that isn't her lips, with your arm that's probably pinned from cuddling you can rub her neck/play with her hair
5) After a while you can start going under her pants to rub her pussy


One thing Chase mentioned that helped me was to stop going after the tits (which really sucks because as a boob man it can be hard sometimes). He mentions that it's extremely typical for most guys to start with the boobs and the girl kind of expects what to happen next. But if you start with getting her pants off (and make sure to take her panties at the same time as her pants) then you have a better shot at making something happen

But yeah, it helps

Enter HB2

I was just about to take a shower. Tinder bleeps again. Matched with a girl, also cute. 23y redhead. We chat for a bit, she is VERY receptive. I ask her what she's doing, she says nothing. I was saying I like to paint, I asked her to show me her paintings. She agrees, and we meet up.

We meet on the street and go upstairs to her place. Very cozy place, quite nice. We sit together, we have a chat etc. Kiss, all good. When I kissed her though right after she goes 'no tongue'. Oh boy, I know this script.

We keep talking. I give her a massage. Get her pants off, her top off. Then I get mine, and put my cock on top of her and rub it. She moans. Suddenly I realise I smell really badly cause I was working all day and I couldn't shower. I felt really self conscious, so I excused myself from up on her and went to the bathroom to wash. I took a full blown shower.

I get out of the bathroom, and she's fully dressed and sitting in a corner. Bruh... :/

This was 100% your fault. She was ready and you broke the mood. Then she was probably thinking "what the hell is up with this guy? Here I am throwing myself at him and he runs off to take a shower??? Do I smell? Does he think I'm gross? Wtf? I just wanted some dick ffs!"

Not saying that to make you feel bad or anything, we've all been there. In fact, there's one chick in specific who flashed into my own mind as I was writing that. She invited me over at like 1 am and we swapped massages and.... nothing... I waited to make a move and by that point it was well past the time for anything to happen. Then another girl who perked up a lot when I told her I wanted to do bad things to her (we were talking about True Blood). We kissed aaaannnd.... nothing... I chickened out and then nothing ever happened

Neither girl ever responded to my texts after that



Hell, another girl was jerking me off and instead of fucking her I decided to just finish on her. She was already naked and ready. Buuuut I couldn't quite hold it in and then... never heard from her until a few years later when she was pregnant with another man's child (weird story somewhere on here on the forums)

But yeah, the point is, is that we all fuck it up. Even the great writers on this website. The best of the best. They fuck it up sometimes too. So when I say that you messed it up with the second girl it's not to make you feel bad but to make sure you understand where exactly the problem was. You should have just said fuck it and fucked her.

Who cares if you think you smell bad? She was probably high from all of the natural pheromones you were sweating up in there. But honestly, if she thought you smelled that bad would she have allowed you to rub your dick on her? Probably not

I escalate again, we talk about a lot of different things. Again she asks me everything about myself. Who I live with, do I have brothers, etc. Again I answer. Again I try to escalate. And again 'too soon', and 'I'm not a whore'.

Man it's like these 2 women talked with each other beforehand and decided what the script was tonight. Both of them wanting to know a lot about me, me escalating, and 'it's too soon' or 'i don't feel like it'.

Oh and I left this girl's place when she said she's sleepy. And on the way out she asked me 'do you hate me?'. What a question. I told her I liked her but since she was not open I'm not going to like her as much. We talked a bit more, and I left.

Conclusion

So here I am, smelling like 2 different girl perfumes mixed together in some eau d'loser, ego bruised and frustrated.

What am I doing wrong with these kind of girls? It's always the same scenario where we talk, I escalate, somehow the vibe isn't there or it gets broken (as for HB2), I get some HEAVY LMR when I escalate. Girls just seem to feel like sluts, and there's no way I can pull them out of it once they're there.

If you've read this far, I appreciate it. And I'd appreciate any tips on how to deal with these kinds of women if you have any.

Best,
Darius

There's a ton of different possible reasons for LMR. The usual suspect is they just don't quite see you as the lover so try to ramp up a little bit more arousal on the date itself.

But again, doesn't mean that's always the reason. For example sometimes the girl will see you as a boyfriend candidate or other times it's you who breaks the spell (like with the second girl)

 

[Will_V]

Hello everyone,

It's 2AM and I'm writing this cause I feel like an idiot and I want my dick to shrivel and fall off since I have no real use for it anyway.

2 dates tonight. Both from online, I'm getting really consistent results using the process outlined by @Regal Tiger. I got laid twice last week (same girl), and I thought I was going to be on a roll tonight. It's always easier when you have good momentum.

Introducing HB1

I was working all day today at a physical job. I had a date planned with her, but the work took a lot longer to finish than I thought. I was running late, so I let her know. After I finished I rushed to the date spot, didn't even get a chance to shower, just changed clothes (this becomes important later).

A stunning 30y fashion designer. Great ass, cute face, nice girl all around. We have coffee together. We talk, etc etc. and end up at my place. All smooth sailing so far. She comes in, I get her a glass of wine, we sit in the kitchen and chat. Somehow when we're in the kitchen, we just don't click as much. I thought it was the medium. I could feel she was a bit on guard. And me as well, I wasn't really getting nervous, it was more like I was waiting for the mood to be right to kiss her.

She talks about a trip to Stockholm she did all alone. I act surprised and tell her 'no way. It's super cold there, you really should have gone with someone, getting cozy and cuddling'. I look her in the eyes and pull her in for the kiss. She accepts, all good.

We talk some more, then I ask her to go to bed. One thing leads to another, I put my hands in her bra and start rubbing her. It's all good and well, we keep talking, I'm saying silly stuff, she's saying silly stuff. But then, she takes my hand off her breasts and says it's too soon!

Fair enough, I'm used to that, but I was really horny. 5 minutes go by, I try to kiss her again, this time she resists. Again 'too soon'. She says she doesn't put out like that. I'm like okay, well it's just sex it's nothing special. She goes 'well I just don't feel like it'. I don't say anything.

We keep talking. She starts asking A LOT about me. Whether I have a family, whether my parents are together. It's like she's doing an investigation on what I am. I always thought this meant she wants safety. So I answered all the questions. Then I tried to escalate again. She lets me touch her boobs, and kisses me. I put my hand between her legs and massage it. She accepts it for a second, then again 'too soon'. And she wants to leave.

I say I'm sorry to see her leave but if that's what she wants then okay. I escort her out. Blue ball city.

Enter HB2

I was just about to take a shower. Tinder bleeps again. Matched with a girl, also cute. 23y redhead. We chat for a bit, she is VERY receptive. I ask her what she's doing, she says nothing. I was saying I like to paint, I asked her to show me her paintings. She agrees, and we meet up.

We meet on the street and go upstairs to her place. Very cozy place, quite nice. We sit together, we have a chat etc. Kiss, all good. When I kissed her though right after she goes 'no tongue'. Oh boy, I know this script.

We keep talking. I give her a massage. Get her pants off, her top off. Then I get mine, and put my cock on top of her and rub it. She moans. Suddenly I realise I smell really badly cause I was working all day and I couldn't shower. I felt really self conscious, so I excused myself from up on her and went to the bathroom to wash. I took a full blown shower.

I get out of the bathroom, and she's fully dressed and sitting in a corner. Bruh... :/

I escalate again, we talk about a lot of different things. Again she asks me everything about myself. Who I live with, do I have brothers, etc. Again I answer. Again I try to escalate. And again 'too soon', and 'I'm not a whore'.

Man it's like these 2 women talked with each other beforehand and decided what the script was tonight. Both of them wanting to know a lot about me, me escalating, and 'it's too soon' or 'i don't feel like it'.

Oh and I left this girl's place when she said she's sleepy. And on the way out she asked me 'do you hate me?'. What a question. I told her I liked her but since she was not open I'm not going to like her as much. We talked a bit more, and I left.

Conclusion

So here I am, smelling like 2 different girl perfumes mixed together in some eau d'loser, ego bruised and frustrated.

What am I doing wrong with these kind of girls? It's always the same scenario where we talk, I escalate, somehow the vibe isn't there or it gets broken (as for HB2), I get some HEAVY LMR when I escalate. Girls just seem to feel like sluts, and there's no way I can pull them out of it once they're there.

If you've read this far, I appreciate it. And I'd appreciate any tips on how to deal with these kinds of women if you have any.

Best,
Darius

Bro I can't imagine what would make me stop escalating on a moaning woman to go and take a shower in her own house.

Just imagine what she'd be doing there, what she'd be thinking, with a dude she hardly knows taking a shower in her place and all the time in the world to wonder just wtf she's doing.

The golden rule is, until cock enters pussy, the world could end outside but you don't stop escalating. During escalation (especially at the point of rubbing and moaning) everything is held together by the momentum of her entering your frame, losing herself to your guidance. Lose that momentum for a split second and that might easily be the end of it. Hunger, thirst, personal hygiene, world war three, it can all wait until you've entered the city gates. She can let you know what she thinks of your smell while you're railing her, if she can talk at all.

As for the first one, I believe you didn't take care of her concerns about fast sex. She was on her guard and you started dismantling well but 'It's just sex' I don't think is a great line, it undermines what is about to happen and sounds like excusing yourself. This is where you've got to have prepared your pep talk about why fast sex is more beautiful and spontaneous, makes you like her more, is more meaningful, etc delivered with strong eye contact, kissing and touching. She doesn't have to even believe that you fully believe it, she just has to have a premise on which you can both go ahead. Also never ever don't reply when a girl brings up her concerns, say something, even if you say nonsensical bs or romantic fluff, it's better than her getting that jolt of anxiety from 'he doesn't know what to do about this problem, I can't trust him anymore'.

Overall I think the main issue here is not controlling the frame at the point of sex. You have to lead hard at this point and fill her senses with your words, your touch and your desire for her. Ultimately what makes her give in is not whether you make any sense but whether she gets the idea that 'I can be anxious and he'll deal with it'.

 

[Darius]

Thank you very much for the responses gents, lots of info to unpack here.

One of my escalation processes if there is some resistance is to do this:
1) Just cuddle for a few minutes before anything
2) Start gently 'tracing' her body with your hands. Never stopping anywhere always continuing on. Start in the safer areas like the arms. But definitely get the back if can. I've personally found that rubbing the back is a winner
--> what I mean by tracing is that you're just kind of exploring her body, or outlining it with your hand/hands
--> start above clothes but then kind of move them out of the way after a while, but again, you're focused mostly on safer areas at this point
3) After a few minutes of this try to 'accidentally' brush up against some naughtier areas outside the clothes. But again, don't ever stop anywhere specific
4) Maybe gently kiss her neck/back/whatever that isn't her lips, with your arm that's probably pinned from cuddling you can rub her neck/play with her hair
5) After a while you can start going under her pants to rub her pussy


One thing Chase mentioned that helped me was to stop going after the tits (which really sucks because as a boob man it can be hard sometimes). He mentions that it's extremely typical for most guys to start with the boobs and the girl kind of expects what to happen next. But if you start with getting her pants off (and make sure to take her panties at the same time as her pants) then you have a better shot at making something happen

But yeah, it helps

that's my usual process more or less. having it outlined step by step like this though will definitely help. So I can stick to the plan in the moment.

This was 100% your fault. She was ready and you broke the mood. Then she was probably thinking "what the hell is up with this guy? Here I am throwing myself at him and he runs off to take a shower??? Do I smell? Does he think I'm gross? Wtf? I just wanted some dick ffs!"

now that I look back at it I fully agree with this. It did seem like a very stupid move.

But yeah, the point is, is that we all fuck it up. Even the great writers on this website. The best of the best. They fuck it up sometimes too. So when I say that you messed it up with the second girl it's not to make you feel bad but to make sure you understand where exactly the problem was. You should have just said fuck it and fucked her.

I know, and I appreciate the feedback

There's a ton of different possible reasons for LMR. The usual suspect is they just don't quite see you as the lover so try to ramp up a little bit more arousal on the date itself.

But again, doesn't mean that's always the reason. For example sometimes the girl will see you as a boyfriend candidate or other times it's you who breaks the spell (like with the second girl)

I think that was the reason with HB1. We just didn't click enough, she was nice and followed my lead but somehow the arousal was not there. Part of it was me just looking at her reactions and being a bit intimidated. She was a bit higher than my normal quality girl lol. Growing pains I guess, I'll be more comfortable next time

 

[Darius]

Bro I can't imagine what would make me stop escalating on a moaning woman to go and take a shower in her own house.

Ever had doggy with a woman when she hadn't showered and her butt smells horrible? It's one of the biggest turnoffs for me. I thought she'd feel the same. But yeah I agree, it was very stupid. In hindsight it was just an insecurity that popped in my head in the moment and I kept thinking about it. In the end I figured 'yeah I got this, I can go away 5 mins and she'll be okay, then we can both have a better experience'.

Just imagine what she'd be doing there, what she'd be thinking, with a dude she hardly knows taking a shower in her place and all the time in the world to wonder just wtf she's doing.

point taken indeed.. I just thought about how I'd feel if she had done that, and I would've been freaked out as well.

The golden rule is, until cock enters pussy, the world could end outside but you don't stop escalating. During escalation (especially at the point of rubbing and moaning) everything is held together by the momentum of her entering your frame, losing herself to your guidance. Lose that momentum for a split second and that might easily be the end of it. Hunger, thirst, personal hygiene, world war three, it can all wait until you've entered the city gates. She can let you know what she thinks of your smell while you're railing her, if she can talk at all.

I see. Lesson learnt, thanks for that. Next time this is what I'll do, never stop until PIV happens.

As for the first one, I believe you didn't take care of her concerns about fast sex. She was on her guard and you started dismantling well but 'It's just sex' I don't think is a great line, it undermines what is about to happen and sounds like excusing yourself. This is where you've got to have prepared your pep talk about why fast sex is more beautiful and spontaneous, makes you like her more, is more meaningful, etc delivered with strong eye contact, kissing and touching. She doesn't have to even believe that you fully believe it, she just has to have a premise on which you can both go ahead. Also never ever don't reply when a girl brings up her concerns, say something, even if you say nonsensical bs or romantic fluff, it's better than her getting that jolt of anxiety from 'he doesn't know what to do about this problem, I can't trust him anymore'.

Overall I think the main issue here is not controlling the frame at the point of sex. You have to lead hard at this point and fill her senses with your words, your touch and your desire for her. Ultimately what makes her give in is not whether you make any sense but whether she gets the idea that 'I can be anxious and he'll deal with it'.

Gold here. I'll definitely try moving towards this mindset, and leading harder when sex is happening, so I don't break the spell.

 

[Rakehell]

Ah well lesson learned. There’s an article on girlschase somewhere about not showering and being a girl’s “dirty little man”, i’m pretty sure. Not sure how this holds up in real life but it essentially talks about girl’s not caring about hygiene as much in the moment (from a man).

Edit: I sort of butchered my paraphrasing but it still more or less applies. The article is here , essentially girl’s get off on doing dirty act’s (psychologically), which I can attest to though i’ve never taken it that far

 

[Will_V]

Ever had doggy with a woman when she hadn't showered and her butt smells horrible? It's one of the biggest turnoffs for me. I thought she'd feel the same. But yeah I agree, it was very stupid. In hindsight it was just an insecurity that popped in my head in the moment and I kept thinking about it. In the end I figured 'yeah I got this, I can go away 5 mins and she'll be okay, then we can both have a better experience'.

Absolutely! Smell is probably the main thing that turns me on personally. But the fact is that its too late. The more you escalate before disappearing, the harder she falls.

If it was your apartment and you did that upon entering, it's different. But you can't bail while she's moaning, the train is already rolling and you'd better be there keeping it on the track.

The other thing is, she's waaay more worried than you. She's wondering if she's clean, if her pussy smells like fish, is it too long since the last wax, if you like her lingerie, is she too fat, is she a bad kisser, is she going to be able to make you come, etc. The more worried you get, the more worried she gets, and the more you don't give a F, the less she does either.

And besides, she's a woman not a man, she's not there mainly for your physical qualities, she's there to absorb energy.

I see. Lesson learnt, thanks for that. Next time this is what I'll do, never stop until PIV happens.

Yeah, the fact is that once a woman has been penetrated by a man, everything changes. She has given him her all, the event is cemented forever and cannot be changed, and she'll accept a lot of things and rearrange her reality in all sorts of ways to make sure the outcome is good. That's why if you're not hard for example you still put it in somehow. But before that happens, everything is in the future, you are still just another man she's met and might reject, and it can all evaporate in a split second.

 

[Darius]

And besides, she's a woman not a man, she's not there mainly for your physical qualities, she's there to absorb energy.

How does one develop this sort of energy consciously? I get it that most people have it unconsciously (I myself am a very sexual guy), but transmitting it to the girl in a way that is pleasurable and exciting, I'm still a bit rough on that side.

Wonder if there's any books or articles on it. Maybe romance novels?

 

[Will_V]

How does one develop this sort of energy consciously? I get it that most people have it unconsciously (I myself am a very sexual guy), but transmitting it to the girl in a way that is pleasurable and exciting, I'm still a bit rough on that side.

Wonder if there's any books or articles on it. Maybe romance novels?

The way I see it, there is only one real way to develop great energy, and that's by doing difficult, challenging, ambitious things regularly, and developing a healthy ego. The way you approach, seduce and make love to a woman is analogous to the way you approach life in general.

Let's say there's a guy who works an ordinary 9-5, comes home and watches TV, and on the weekend goes and has a beer with his mates (not saying this is you specifically, obviously I don't know your situation).

It is psychologically impossible for this guy to display the kind of reckless, relentless, optimistic, dominant, winning energy that women thrive on, when he is with her. Because what you have in your head 24 hours a day, the way you feel, the choices you make for how to live your life, the way you respond to the various little problems and opportunities you encounter each day, that's what will naturally come up because it's what you've trained yourself to be.

That's why women love ambitious guys even when they are broke, and they can't stand a lot of well-to-do guys who are lame. They feed off the energy that a man brings to his life in general and everything he faces, and they trust it much more than other apparent signs of SMV. Because the fact is that it is very, very difficult for a guy who has a boring, go-nowhere life to bring that kind of energy out of thin air (they exist, but frankly I think it damages them long term, because they need to live inside an illusion that is painful to ever leave).

That's why a lot of those guys out there who try some game and don't get the results they expect, and start harping on about height, looks and money, they don't realize that for 23 hours of the day they had been a boring loser, and they think that on the 24th hour, on a date, they can use some lines and the woman is going to get horny and think they are something special.

So the point is, take care of those 23 hours, fill it with the right experiences, the right struggles and wins, and on the 24th you won't need to wonder where the energy is going to come from, because it's already there.

The way I look at it, men create energy, mainly through struggle, and women absorb it. At the end of the night, she gets to receive what is left over from the battle of the day, the energy that I prepared that didn't get used, the final sprint that I didn't end up needing to make, focused directly at her. But she didn't create it, nor was she the reason it was created, that's why it's a gift she appreciates.

 

[Regal Tiger]

Yeah, the fact is that once a woman has been penetrated by a man, everything changes. She has given him her all, the event is cemented forever and cannot be changed, and she'll accept a lot of things and rearrange her reality in all sorts of ways to make sure the outcome is good. That's why if you're not hard for example you still put it in somehow. But before that happens, everything is in the future, you are still just another man she's met and might reject, and it can all evaporate in a split second.

I gotta take a moment to really hardcore second this. Everything about it.

If you can't get 100% hard, still get it in. If you're about to cum from whatever, stop and get it in. Because if you don't, you're probably never going to see her again.

Another reason, just besides backwards rationalizations is this: it helps you 'unlock' sex if that makes sense. Like, if you have a girlfriend, or even a fuckbuddy who you've gone on a single date with but fucked, she doesn't care if you just randomly smack her ass or even fondle her tits. Not even in a sexual way, just to do it. But if you do that with a girl who you haven't even gotten sexual with yet, even if you've gone on 5 10-hour-each dates (god forbid) then it's not going to go as smoothly.
--> so basically, if you get it in you've officially unlocked sex. Then it'll happen much easier when you fix whatever problem is going on at that point in time. Which will help you relax which means you'll have an easier time getting hard the next time

 

[Regal Tiger]

How does one develop this sort of energy consciously? I get it that most people have it unconsciously (I myself am a very sexual guy), but transmitting it to the girl in a way that is pleasurable and exciting, I'm still a bit rough on that side.

Wonder if there's any books or articles on it. Maybe romance novels?

State control is a big way to do this. When learning hypnotherapy I learned a lot about state control as well as energies. Most of the time I default to a few different ones but when you stop and really put it under control you can do some cool things with it

EDIT: and @Will_V has lot of good points about building your default energy states. However I do want to point out that through state control you're not forcing or faking anything. You're just bringing forth a specific part of who you already are (at least, after some practice because it's easier to imitate someone else to get a feel for it at first)

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Let's say there's a guy who works an ordinary 9-5, comes home and watches TV, and on the weekend goes and has a beer with his mates (not saying this is you specifically, obviously I don't know your situation).

It is psychologically impossible for this guy to display the kind of reckless, relentless, optimistic, dominant, winning energy that women thrive on, when he is with her. Because what you have in your head 24 hours a day, the way you feel, the choices you make for how to live your life, the way you respond to the various little problems and opportunities you encounter each day, that's what will naturally come up because it's what you've trained yourself to be.

That's why women love ambitious guys

@Will_V comment above is genuinely one of the best I’ve seen in a while. Also beautifully sums up the common energy I’ve seen in guys who consistently get girls. It simply can’t be faked.

Also agree with people’s other comments above, I’ve also made the mistake of leaving a green light girl to go to the bathroom as I thought it was “guaranteed”. It happens.

 

[Darius]

@Will_V comment above is genuinely one of the best I’ve seen in a while. Also beautifully sums up the common energy I’ve seen in guys who consistently get girls. It simply can’t be faked.

Also agree with people’s other comments above, I’ve also made the mistake of leaving a good to go girl to go to the bathroom as I thought it was “guaranteed”. It happens.

fully agree. All comments here gave me a deeper understanding of the energy that a man should have. I'm starting to gravitate towards that way of thinking, and I can feel the change already. Not just in women, but in how I approach life.

I saw another girl tonight, just came back from the date. The energy was great between us, no resistance on her part at all, unlike the usual. In the end we kissed and she agreed to come make dinner for me this weekend. Hopefully I'll be able to take this kind of energy and there will be less LMR. And this time i'll shower before