20+ approaches:My observations

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

These are the concerns that I have after having done 20+ approaches. I know it's a small number but I'm going to track my progress the whole way through.

What do you do when the girl says immediately after you approach her that she has to get going? Is that just a problem of you having really bad fundamentals? I think the issue may be that I always do "the point back" wrong. "hey I saw you back there", point back to where you were previously while turning your head in that direction so she can check you out. It's advice from MGE. Instead I think I don't turn my head or I hesitate, turning my head both ways. Could that be an issue?

Another problem that I have is that if she doesn't say she has to leave, the conversation that ensues is very weak. Is that just me being a bad conversationalist and it will get better over time? Or should I change the content of what I say after the opener. Maybe doing more cold reads or say she reminds me of someone.

When you do a direct, it's pretty straight forward, you just go up to her. But I imagine with an indirect like "you remind me of my ex girlfriend", you have to be a little smoother. Would I have to jog up to her so I'm a little bit behind her and then smoothly speed walk the rest of the distance so I can casually get her attention?

I'm pretty sure in MGE, Hector doesn't mention hooks or anything like that. Why is that?

What I've noticed recently from reading the articles is the Hector's style is different from Gunwitches and Aleks. They seem very different. Following Hector's advice from MGE, as a beginner, simply seems like hoping you can have a good conversation. I say this because to me it seems like Hector's style relies heavily on fundamentals, which as a beginner I simply don't have.

I'm not trying to rag on his method, I'm just confused as to how it works and I want to see it work for me.

Maybe I just haven't approached enough and I need more approaches. But if there's a chance that the Alek's or Gunwitches method will better for me, than I want to try it. The few times that I've tried cold reads, I've had my best results.

I realize that because I am so new to this and have a lot of ignorance on this topic, I may be interpreting things incorrectly.

Thoughts and opinions on this greatly appreciated.

 

[HoofHearted]

Have any of your approaches panned out? Just curious. Phone numbers/dates/sex?

 

[HoofHearted]

One thing I have recently remembered, that I can compare to where I am now, is how sexually forward I used to be

At one point I was just pushing it to see what would happen (not entirely advises, but stimulating and hilarious). It adds energy and dynamic tho, which is what conversation needs ime

Conversation upfront should not be factual exchange or deep and personal, through over time i think it should grow toward the lateral.

Upfront it should be stimulating and engaging. Play, have fun, tease. Only slight 'get to know you' at first imo.

I'm no expert and i'm going through a doldrum. But one thing i was just thinking of is how currently separated i am from my own sexual nature, especially considering how forward and maybe even sometimes vulgar i was (too far in that direction). I think i see this in other men who are struggling alongside me and it seems something internal? Not sure if you feel the same way. But the resolution for me is the growing toward and re-embracing of my own sexual power and energy. I remember going through this before.

If you can't feel the sex inside you (heh), it will almost certainly be a missing vital force in your interactions with women, leading to limp conversations (heh) and neutral outcomes. This has directly been my experience.

As for why we lose or submerge this part of ourselves, I could only conjecture. It feels like a baseline we may fall back to if we don't strive to maintain the flame, the vital essence.

The other questions I gotta leave to the pro's. Just your fellow journeyman here.

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

Have any of your approaches panned out? Just curious. Phone numbers/dates/sex?

Two numbers but the girls weren’t hot enough for me to follow up. That’s something at least.

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

One thing I have recently remembered, that I can compare to where I am now, is how sexually forward I used to be

At one point I was just pushing it to see what would happen (not entirely advises, but stimulating and hilarious). It adds energy and dynamic tho, which is what conversation needs ime

Conversation upfront should not be factual exchange or deep and personal, through over time i think it should grow toward the lateral.

Upfront it should be stimulating and engaging. Play, have fun, tease. Only slight 'get to know you' at first imo.

I'm no expert and i'm going through a doldrum. But one thing i was just thinking of is how currently separated i am from my own sexual nature, especially considering how forward and maybe even sometimes vulgar i was (too far in that direction). I think i see this in other men who are struggling alongside me and it seems something internal? Not sure if you feel the same way. But the resolution for me is the growing toward and re-embracing of my own sexual power and energy. I remember going through this before.

If you can't feel the sex inside you (heh), it will almost certainly be a missing vital force in your interactions with women, leading to limp conversations (heh) and neutral outcomes. This has directly been my experience.

As for why we lose or submerge this part of ourselves, I could only conjecture. It feels like a baseline we may fall back to if we don't strive to maintain the flame, the vital essence.

The other questions I gotta leave to the pro's. Just your fellow journeyman here.

I feel like that sexuality in convo comes from just confidence in approaching. I definitely have enough sexual energy I just need the mastery to apply it.

 

[HoofHearted]

That could be.

(One thing I'm getting a lot of is phone numbers... because people actually like me, but maybe not sexually)

Food for thought. I am really not qualified to diagnose the problems you listed. At least, the first part.

I never really have the problem of NOT having something to say to a woman, I guess I am full of stupid shit to say.

But to reiterate the goal of the conversation, remember it's to get her on a date. To do that, the intetaction must not be too heavy upfront, she must actively participate in it, and it should probably include some playfulness. I assume you're probably going toward a phone number, so you want some buy-in from her before asking.

Hello -> Tease/fun -> some light personal questions -> lets do xyz. Gimme your number

Thats as good as I got. I actually just did a pretty bad job with this, loosey goosey all over the place, but still worked.

(Physically, I am highly perhaps overly dominant with women. I move them, touch them, lift them up, etc)

 

[HoofHearted]

One thing I have recently remembered, that I can compare to where I am now, is how sexually forward I used to be

At one point I was just pushing it to see what would happen (not entirely advises, but stimulating and hilarious). It adds energy and dynamic tho, which is what conversation needs ime

Conversation upfront should not be factual exchange or deep and personal, through over time i think it should grow toward the lateral.

Upfront it should be stimulating and engaging. Play, have fun, tease. Only slight 'get to know you' at first imo.

I'm no expert and i'm going through a doldrum. But one thing i was just thinking of is how currently separated i am from my own sexual nature, especially considering how forward and maybe even sometimes vulgar i was (too far in that direction). I think i see this in other men who are struggling alongside me and it seems something internal? Not sure if you feel the same way. But the resolution for me is the growing toward and re-embracing of my own sexual power and energy. I remember going through this before.

If you can't feel the sex inside you (heh), it will almost certainly be a missing vital force in your interactions with women, leading to limp conversations (heh) and neutral outcomes. This has directly been my experience.

As for why we lose or submerge this part of ourselves, I could only conjecture. It feels like a baseline we may fall back to if we don't strive to maintain the flame, the vital essence.

The other questions I gotta leave to the pro's. Just your fellow journeyman here.

I tested this sexuality approach yesterday at a party with a girl i'd never met before.

She was a tall strong girl and pretty cute. I joked about both of us fucking her male friend (i'm actually very straight) and high fived her for being 'tunnel buddies'. This was the first conversation i had with her, but as for cold approach this may be too different since she had been observing me in a social setting and I have uncommon presence. She actually said, "This guy is very forward!" while blushing and loving every minute.

BUT to bump the thread and re-iterate or refine my point: the words flow from a place i do not know. In this case, my weiner was my inspiration. It gave me the words for the conversation. I'm also an asshole and a jackass.

From that point on, having the words, i feel like it's just a matter of guiding the boat.

I hope these ideas are useful. i hope someone smarter than me responds to ur thread.

 

[Beam]

Maybe I just haven't approached enough and I need more approaches. But if there's a chance that the Alek's or Gunwitches method will better for me, than I want to try it. The few times that I've tried cold reads, I've had my best results.

I would kill to see Alek, Gunwitch or Bacchus in action. On the surface their styles are the least congruent with mine so it would be good to get better tips on how to incorporate it with my own style (though I guess the best way is to just try it out as awkward as it might be. I tried Gunwitchs "you look like my ex gf" for a while last year and it worked like crazy to hook but I felt so incongruent and deceitful using it :/ I think I stopped when a girl started really hammering for a picture of my ex and I had to keep dodging.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

These are the concerns that I have after having done 20+ approaches. I know it's a small number but I'm going to track my progress the whole way through.

What do you do when the girl says immediately after you approach her that she has to get going? Is that just a problem of you having really bad fundamentals? I think the issue may be that I always do "the point back" wrong. "hey I saw you back there", point back to where you were previously while turning your head in that direction so she can check you out. It's advice from MGE. Instead I think I don't turn my head or I hesitate, turning my head both ways. Could that be an issue?

Another problem that I have is that if she doesn't say she has to leave, the conversation that ensues is very weak. Is that just me being a bad conversationalist and it will get better over time? Or should I change the content of what I say after the opener. Maybe doing more cold reads or say she reminds me of someone.

When you do a direct, it's pretty straight forward, you just go up to her. But I imagine with an indirect like "you remind me of my ex girlfriend", you have to be a little smoother. Would I have to jog up to her so I'm a little bit behind her and then smoothly speed walk the rest of the distance so I can casually get her attention?

I'm pretty sure in MGE, Hector doesn't mention hooks or anything like that. Why is that?

What I've noticed recently from reading the articles is the Hector's style is different from Gunwitches and Aleks. They seem very different. Following Hector's advice from MGE, as a beginner, simply seems like hoping you can have a good conversation. I say this because to me it seems like Hector's style relies heavily on fundamentals, which as a beginner I simply don't have.

I'm not trying to rag on his method, I'm just confused as to how it works and I want to see it work for me.

Maybe I just haven't approached enough and I need more approaches. But if there's a chance that the Alek's or Gunwitches method will better for me, than I want to try it. The few times that I've tried cold reads, I've had my best results.

I realize that because I am so new to this and have a lot of ignorance on this topic, I may be interpreting things incorrectly.

Thoughts and opinions on this greatly appreciated.

Hey BrokenHeart,

Does your handle have anything to do with your current emotional state? Are you recovering from a breakup recently or something? Or is it just poetic? Might have some effects on your approaching if you're still recovering.

As for the point back, you're probably overthinking it. It's just a way to give some "Grounding" as to why you're there. If you look straight at her and say "hey i saw you over here and.." it's probably okay, but by pointing back to where you saw her, it makes it more real like, "oh he's looking at where he saw me." It's just a small little thing but can help her feel like "oh this is the reason he's over here."

Another problem that I have is that if she doesn't say she has to leave, the conversation that ensues is very weak. Is that just me being a bad conversationalist and it will get better over time? Or should I change the content of what I say after the opener. Maybe doing more cold reads or say she reminds me of someone.

Well, that's a good thing! Women are staying in conversation with you and not rushing to leave. Great sign! Looks like your fundamentals are just fine. Also, you gotta remember the distinction between "passive" fundamentals (good looks, fashion, etc) and "active" fundamentals (voice tonality, body language, etc). Either way, seems like you're getting some reactions. That's good!

Yes, you need to work on your conversation.

But this

Maybe doing more cold reads or say she reminds me of someone.

I wouldn't do this unless she actually reminds you of someone. I'm wary of even small lies, even if they're not ill-intentioned. You're looking for converastional inserts to make up for a lack of conversational skills. It may be a nice short term solution, but becoming dependent on them long term will end up hurting you. Even guys who use gambits/frames that they've done before know how to introduce them in a smooth way because they have conversational skills.

Remember the tips from MGE on having conversation.

What's guiding you?

Interest. Curiosity.

You're interested in her.

"How can I get to know her better?"

As for curiosity,

"What makes her tick? What makes her interesting?"

Your questions don't need to be uber-philosophical. They can be simple.

But if your fundamentals, specifically your voice tonality, convey interest/curiosity, it makes your questions more engaging.

"So are you from here?" in a boring tone = boring

"So! You from around here or...?" in a curios tone with a big smile on your face = interesting

I don't see too much details of your conversation so I don't know where it's going wrong. Is it going wrong because you ask boring questions or because maybe you're underestimating her interest and not reciprocating/showing interest and then the fire dies quickly cuz she feels awkward?

What I've noticed recently from reading the articles is the Hector's style is different from Gunwitches and Aleks. They seem very different. Following Hector's advice from MGE, as a beginner, simply seems like hoping you can have a good conversation. I say this because to me it seems like Hector's style relies heavily on fundamentals, which as a beginner I simply don't have.

I promise, it makes no difference. None at all. You may feel more comfortable with another method but only because it gives you a more concrete template. But in the end, it's all the same. The fundamental principles are at work always. You can use any gambit or frame you like, but if your fundamentals are off, it will be off.

You also probably are thinking you need to be some "level" to get girls.

Think of a seduction level as only really necessary for long term consistency.

You can be a total noob and pull a smoking hot girl. How? Because that's how it works. Idk if it's biology, chemistry, karma, etc, but sometimes, a girl will be super into you and you just have to not fuck it up. Right now, you're working on just being good enough.

Over time, if you so desire, you'll get more consistent and that's where your skill is really important. You can save seductions that would have failed, etc.

20 approaches is okay, but not really that much. Not enough to make a judgment call yet on you part. But I can see one other problem.

Two numbers but the girls weren’t hot enough for me to follow up. That’s something at least.

Don't approach girls you aren't very attracted to.

Part of what i teach is to be INTERESTED and CURIOUS. How are you going to be truly interested and curious about her if you're not really into her?

Go after girls you're attracted to. The hotter, the better. The best and fastest way to train would be to go after the hottest girls you can. It's also the most difficult, probably, cuz you're nervous. But at least go for a 7. 8s and 9s if you can. But 7 at the bare minimum.

Going after a 6 is rarely worth it. The only thing it teaches you is how to be more relaxed and chill because you're not so nervous and then you can see what it's like for a girl to chase after you while you're chill. But that just gives you a reference frame cuz once you're talking to a pretty girl, all that goes out the window.

You gotta train at the level you want. So start with girls you're attracted with. It's SUPER important.

You'll get better at conversation in time. Do you have ANY experience? Social circle? An ex girlfriend? Are you good at making friends? Or are you starting from ground zero? If ground zero, then ya, you gotta work on your conversational skills but that will come in time


You're talking to pretty girls! It's a fun place to practice!

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

Hey BrokenHeart,

Does your handle have anything to do with your current emotional state? Are you recovering from a breakup recently or something? Or is it just poetic? Might have some effects on your approaching if you're still recovering.

As for the point back, you're probably overthinking it. It's just a way to give some "Grounding" as to why you're there. If you look straight at her and say "hey i saw you over here and.." it's probably okay, but by pointing back to where you saw her, it makes it more real like, "oh he's looking at where he saw me." It's just a small little thing but can help her feel like "oh this is the reason he's over here."




Well, that's a good thing! Women are staying in conversation with you and not rushing to leave. Great sign! Looks like your fundamentals are just fine. Also, you gotta remember the distinction between "passive" fundamentals (good looks, fashion, etc) and "active" fundamentals (voice tonality, body language, etc). Either way, seems like you're getting some reactions. That's good!

Yes, you need to work on your conversation.

But this



I wouldn't do this unless she actually reminds you of someone. I'm wary of even small lies, even if they're not ill-intentioned. You're looking for converastional inserts to make up for a lack of conversational skills. It may be a nice short term solution, but becoming dependent on them long term will end up hurting you. Even guys who use gambits/frames that they've done before know how to introduce them in a smooth way because they have conversational skills.

Remember the tips from MGE on having conversation.

What's guiding you?

Interest. Curiosity.

You're interested in her.

"How can I get to know her better?"

As for curiosity,

"What makes her tick? What makes her interesting?"

Your questions don't need to be uber-philosophical. They can be simple.

But if your fundamentals, specifically your voice tonality, convey interest/curiosity, it makes your questions more engaging.

"So are you from here?" in a boring tone = boring

"So! You from around here or...?" in a curios tone with a big smile on your face = interesting

I don't see too much details of your conversation so I don't know where it's going wrong. Is it going wrong because you ask boring questions or because maybe you're underestimating her interest and not reciprocating/showing interest and then the fire dies quickly cuz she feels awkward?



I promise, it makes no difference. None at all. You may feel more comfortable with another method but only because it gives you a more concrete template. But in the end, it's all the same. The fundamental principles are at work always. You can use any gambit or frame you like, but if your fundamentals are off, it will be off.

You also probably are thinking you need to be some "level" to get girls.

Think of a seduction level as only really necessary for long term consistency.

You can be a total noob and pull a smoking hot girl. How? Because that's how it works. Idk if it's biology, chemistry, karma, etc, but sometimes, a girl will be super into you and you just have to not fuck it up. Right now, you're working on just being good enough.

Over time, if you so desire, you'll get more consistent and that's where your skill is really important. You can save seductions that would have failed, etc.

20 approaches is okay, but not really that much. Not enough to make a judgment call yet on you part. But I can see one other problem.



Don't approach girls you aren't very attracted to.

Part of what i teach is to be INTERESTED and CURIOUS. How are you going to be truly interested and curious about her if you're not really into her?

Go after girls you're attracted to. The hotter, the better. The best and fastest way to train would be to go after the hottest girls you can. It's also the most difficult, probably, cuz you're nervous. But at least go for a 7. 8s and 9s if you can. But 7 at the bare minimum.

Going after a 6 is rarely worth it. The only thing it teaches you is how to be more relaxed and chill because you're not so nervous and then you can see what it's like for a girl to chase after you while you're chill. But that just gives you a reference frame cuz once you're talking to a pretty girl, all that goes out the window.

You gotta train at the level you want. So start with girls you're attracted with. It's SUPER important.

You'll get better at conversation in time. Do you have ANY experience? Social circle? An ex girlfriend? Are you good at making friends? Or are you starting from ground zero? If ground zero, then ya, you gotta work on your conversational skills but that will come in time


You're talking to pretty girls! It's a fun place to practice!

Thank you @Hector Papi Castillo

“I promise, it makes no difference. None at all. You may feel more comfortable with another method but only because it gives you a more concrete template. But in the end, it's all the same. The fundamental principles are at work always. You can use any gambit or frame you like, but if your fundamentals are off, it will be off.”

This is freeing.

I feel like I was getting to focused on the little details and it is refreshing to know that I don’t have to stick to a particular method.

 

[switchblade]

What I've noticed recently from reading the articles is the Hector's style is different from Gunwitches and Aleks

i'm not sure it matters too much. Maybe best to find your own style and something that feels congruent to you
I've seen guys kill it who are super direct, who are indirect, who are really 'mysterious', who are jokey and brash, who are serious, who make tonne of jokes etc. I don't really think there's a better or worse or a right or wrong etc.
Infield footage shows huge variance from expert coaches too.

 

[Chase]

Don't want to derail, but:

I tried Gunwitchs "you look like my ex gf" for a while last year and it worked like crazy to hook but I felt so incongruent and deceitful using it :/ I think I stopped when a girl started really hammering for a picture of my ex and I had to keep dodging.

If something's working really well, but there's some aspect of it you have reservations with, it often pays to find ways to make it more congruent with your approach, rather than throw it out entirely.

e.g., when I have done, "You remind me of blah blah," statements, and the girl presses for details, there is pretty much always something you can tie back:

• The way she dresses
• How she moves
• The way she does her hair
• The way she speaks
• Her topics of interest
• The energy she carries herself with
• Etc.

Just need to be a little more creative about it, and not simply focus on facial features, height, leg length, or bust size

Chase

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

Don't want to derail, but:



If something's working really well, but there's some aspect of it you have reservations with, it often pays to find ways to make it more congruent with your approach, rather than throw it out entirely.

e.g., when I have done, "You remind me of blah blah," statements, and the girl presses for details, there is pretty much always something you can tie back:

• The way she dresses
• How she moves
• The way she does her hair
• The way she speaks
• Her topics of interest
• The energy she carries herself with
• Etc.

Just need to be a little more creative about it, and not simply focus on facial features, height, leg length, or bust size

Chase

Does that mean that if you tie it back to a detail about her, she likely won't press you for a picture of the ex because you've already given an explanation?

 

[Chase]

@brokenheartlover1,

Does that mean that if you tie it back to a detail about her, she likely won't press you for a picture of the ex because you've already given an explanation?

I can't say for certain. I haven't done enough both ways to do more than speculate.

However, if you just don't want to show pictures of your ex, there are easy ways to do that: "Oh I don't keep pics of exes on my phone. Not healthy IMO. If you're really interested I'll dig up some old ones in an email account later and show to you." Then if she presses you it's just, "I'm not going digging through my email right now, lol. I'll do it later. Sometime later we will do that."

Then it is just something you will never agree to do until after you've been sleeping with her three weeks. If she's insistent, you just put it off with later... later... I get a million emails, and I have NO idea which one from her she's sent pics in... I'm sure they're in there... no, I don't have social media, so I can't show you on there... I already told you, I have NO pictures of her saved on my machine!

So you just force her to wait until you have the patience to go digging, which won't be until some night after you've been seeing her a while, when you're feeling really chill and you actually care to go looking around for a pic to show her.

By that point, once she's totally locked in, if she ends up being like, "Oh, come on! Your ex and I look NOTHING alike!" all you have to do is be like "Well to me you guys do, lol!"

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

@brokenheartlover1,



I can't say for certain. I haven't done enough both ways to do more than speculate.

However, if you just don't want to show pictures of your ex, there are easy ways to do that: "Oh I don't keep pics of exes on my phone. Not healthy IMO. If you're really interested I'll dig up some old ones in an email account later and show to you." Then if she presses you it's just, "I'm not going digging through my email right now, lol. I'll do it later. Sometime later we will do that."

Then it is just something you will never agree to do until after you've been sleeping with her three weeks. If she's insistent, you just put it off with later... later... I get a million emails, and I have NO idea which one from her she's sent pics in... I'm sure they're in there... no, I don't have social media, so I can't show you on there... I already told you, I have NO pictures of her saved on my machine!

So you just force her to wait until you have the patience to go digging, which won't be until some night after you've been seeing her a while, when you're feeling really chill and you actually care to go looking around for a pic to show her.

By that point, once she's totally locked in, if she ends up being like, "Oh, come on! Your ex and I look NOTHING alike!" all you have to do is be like "Well to me you guys do, lol!"

After doing an approach where I asked a girl directions to go to a class and this girl started asking me all these questions, I realized lying to girls can complicate things a lot, so now it's my thing to not even tell small lies. Is lying necessary in seduction to a degree? I feel like I could just get by being honest and having good fundamentals. I've gotten the impression since I started this journey, that there are many ways to seduce women.

 

[Chase]

@brokenheartlover1,

After doing an approach where I asked a girl directions to go to a class and this girl started asking me all these questions, I realized lying to girls can complicate things a lot, so now it's my thing to not even tell small lies. Is lying necessary in seduction to a degree? I feel like I could just get by being honest and having good fundamentals. I've gotten the impression since I started this journey, that there are many ways to seduce women.

Well, I don't know what your situation is man. I'm just telling you how it works when I have done it. I:

• Don't keep ex-girlfriends' photos
• Don't use social media
• Have to go digging around through 10K+ emails to find a picture of an ex-girlfriend if some other girl really wants to see it

And pretty much any girl CAN remind me of an ex if I think about it.

There is probably a way to apply this to your situation in an honest way that gets around the obstacles.

If there simply isn't... if you're brand new and don't have an ex, or your phone is filled with pictures of ex-girlfriends you don't want to delete and it'd be lying to say you don't have any, or you're on social media and connected to your exes and you don't want to get off social media or disconnect your exes, or you're just not any good at finding similarities between girls you're just meeting and girls you've known well before... then I guess just file this one away and circle back to it when you can actually use it without having to craft some deceit.

One of the skills you develop in seduction is the ability to control the frame without having to lie. e.g., if you don't want to show something to someone, you need to be able to tell someone, "I am not going to show that to you right now," and present that frame in a convincing way that does not prompt feelings of injustice or that you are being unreasonable in the other person.

It is worth trying different things that force you to figure out ways to do that, preferably without having to lie, just for the growth that comes from learning to be able to control the frame better. (not saying you have to do this specific technique... but if you have things you want to do where you run into objections, rather than not use those things because they produce objections, try to figure out how to get around the objections instead)

Chase

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

@brokenheartlover1,



Well, I don't know what your situation is man. I'm just telling you how it works when I have done it. I:

• Don't keep ex-girlfriends' photos
• Don't use social media
• Have to go digging around through 10K+ emails to find a picture of an ex-girlfriend if some other girl really wants to see it

And pretty much any girl CAN remind me of an ex if I think about it.

There is probably a way to apply this to your situation in an honest way that gets around the obstacles.

If there simply isn't... if you're brand new and don't have an ex, or your phone is filled with pictures of ex-girlfriends you don't want to delete and it'd be lying to say you don't have any, or you're on social media and connected to your exes and you don't want to get off social media or disconnect your exes, or you're just not any good at finding similarities between girls you're just meeting and girls you've known well before... then I guess just file this one away and circle back to it when you can actually use it without having to craft some deceit.

One of the skills you develop in seduction is the ability to control the frame without having to lie. e.g., if you don't want to show something to someone, you need to be able to tell someone, "I am not going to show that to you right now," and present that frame in a convincing way that does not prompt feelings of injustice or that you are being unreasonable in the other person.

It is worth trying different things that force you to figure out ways to do that, preferably without having to lie, just for the growth that comes from learning to be able to control the frame better. (not saying you have to do this specific technique... but if you have things you want to do where you run into objections, rather than not use those things because they produce objections, try to figure out how to get around the objections instead)

Chase

Thank you Chase, yeah I can probably compare any girl to one of my exes, just have to be creative.

 

[Conquistador]

I feel like I could just get by being honest and having good fundamentals.

I'll get back to you on that in a week or two but I'm pretty sure yes

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

I'll get back to you on that in a week or two but I'm pretty sure yes

Oh, are u trying an experiment?

 

[Conquistador]

Oh, are u trying an experiment?

No, that's just how I game. Now that I actually am focusing on pulling, I hope to have an FWB (or multiple ) in days to weeks, multiple very promising leads, see chat history