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debonair

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Before writing the report, I think it's important to briefly tell you guys the stage I am in as far as my seduction skills. I would say I am a beginner in many levels but approaching the intermediate stage. I am able to get numbers fairly consistently and set up dates to meet the girls later, but a lot of them have flaked on me and I am not too sure the reasons behind that. Hopefully you guys can point me in the right direction.

So, I met this girl at the airport (I work there) while I was sitting down with a good buddy of mine, who actually knew her, they went to school together some years back. She is pretty in the face, tall, taller than me, she is probably a 7. He told me that they have never gotten involved together. So, I chatted her up, then got her number before the end of the interaction. She told me when she was going to be back in town, so I took the opportunity to invite her to a party I was having for the end of the year. We interacted briefly via text the day after she was supposed to travel back to town, and the party was the next day. She actually came to the party, but she only stayed briefly, she was complaining about having a migraine or something. We spoke briefly during the party, we flirted a little bit, but I could not focus my attention on her since I had other guests to cater to.

The day after the party, I texted her, then asked her out, this is how the majority of the conversation went, I will refer to her as "slender" below.

Me: What are your off days?
Slender: Friday and Saturday
Me: Oh ok, I am off Monday and Tuesday coming. Let's grab an early dinner or something one of those days. I think you are a really cool girl.
Slender: I'm seeing someone

So, she answered that she is seeing someone when I asked her out, so I thought I would just next her right away. I didn't text for a whole day until she texted me the next night with a "lol", which prompted me to think that she probably is not really seeing someone, but that she was testing me or may be that it was a value problem. I saw, in one of Chase's articles where he pointed out that sometimes women will play the boyfriend card when they think they are lower value than you are. I was thinking may be because the way she saw me at the party, she probably thought I was not attainable enough, So I made sure to make myself seem more attainable. (later on in the interaction, during a phone conversation, she actually told me that she is in fact seeing someone, but that she does not think it's going to work out between them)

Slender: lol
Me: ???
Slender: Happy New Year
Me: Happy New Year. So, how serious is that person you are seeing, are you going to marry him?
Slender: I don't know, we just started going out
Me: Well, my intentions remain the same: meet up with you over dinner or something and get to know each other, but otherwise I understand
Slender: ok
Me: So, sometimes this upcoming week?
Slender: Sure, I start work at 11
Me: Cool, we can do tomorrow at 6:30ish, would that work for you?
Slender: I can't tomorrow
Me: How about later tonight? Could be fun:)
Slender: Can't, what about in the weekend?
Me: Sure, Friday?
Slender: That's perfect
Me: Friday it is, around 8:00 pm works best for me.
Slender: Ok

I thought everything was set, so I got ready for Friday. I texted her the day before Friday asking her if we are still on for the date, just to minimize the chances of her flaking, she replied with a yes. Until Friday came along, she actually flaked. The date was scheduled for 8:00 pm, so I texted her at 4:51 pm to send her the location details.

Note: one very important thing to point out is that this girl works overnight from 11pm till 7am, so she sleeps during the day

:
4:51 pm Me: Her Slender, the location is ...
7:49 pm Me: Getting ready, on ur way or still sleeping?
10:07 Slender: I'm sorry, I just woke up

So, she flaked, even though it bothered me, since I left work early to be able to get there on time, I stayed calm, and tried to not make her feel bad about it. Chase pointed out in one of the articles about why girls flake, to not get angry or bitter, but try to schedule another date at a later time, but also if she flakes three times to cut it loose, so I am following that strategy. For the previous three girls who flaked on me, I kinda got pissed off when it happened, so I just nexted them, but I wanted to follow a different strategy for this one

Me: It's okay, I figured that's what happened. That's why I had asked in the previous text if you were still sleeping.
Slender: I had to work for 12 hours, I got home at 12pm.
Me: Don't worry, no need to explain further, I understand:)
Slender: Sorry
Slender: what you are doing right now?
Me: I was talking to my little sis, she is in school at ...
Slender: Ok, So tell me a little about you
Me: I am eating some cereal, I'll tell you in a bit
Slender: lol
Me: Call me and we can talk

I had her call me so I could talk to her a little bit about myself because up until that point we have never had a deep conversation, I told her a bit about me, but not too much to keep her intrigued and to increase my chances of getting out on the date. I did not ask for a second date during the phone conversation.

A couple days after the phone call, I restarted texting her to see if I can arrange another date, this time at my house, I think I totally flunk that one, this is how it went.

Me: Hey Slender, how's your day, fix the insurance yet troublemaker?
Slender: Hey, my day was good. I got the insurance. How was your day?
Me: It was fun and weird, lol. Almost got fired today because of something that happened between me and my manager.
Slender: thats's crazy
Me: Yeah, what you up to?
Slender:; Nothing, just laying in bed
Me: I am going to watch taken 2 the badass movie, come watch it with me.
Slender: I saw it
Me: Ok, have you seen girls trip?
Slender: Yep
Me: Really, you are a movie junkie. Well, just come, we will find something you haven't watched before.
Slender: Lo, it's almost 1 in the am, and I don't know you like that.

So I was thinking, wow, I fucked up there bit time, I know I should have handled the interaction a lot better there, but after some thinking, I interpret the text as her saying that she does not know me that well. So I call her, we had a warm conversation and I told a bit more about myself, she told me almost everything about her. During the conversation, I invited her out again, but this time to a location that is different from where we were supposed to go for the previous date, just to spice things up a bit. She said yes, so i thought I was good this time, but she flaked again with the same excuse as before. This time, the date was scheduled for 6:30ish

2:32 pm Me: We are still on tonight for the chinese festival around 6:30ish right?
6:59 pm Slender: I just woke up

I opened the text around 7:30, I went about my day when I saw that 6:30 had passed and she didn't text back confirming that we were still on. I opened the text at around 7:30 and I know the festival ends at 9 pm, so I texted her asking her if she still wanted to go, but that we should change plans.

Note: She accepted the date even though she works that day starting at 11pm, so I would have had limited time.

7:26 pm Me: Ok, I think it's too late now to go to the festival since it closes at 9. If you are still down, we can grab dinner before you go to work.
7:45 pm: ???
8:32 pm: I went back to sleep

so, she says she went back to sleep. She did not apologize for not showing this time, I am wondering if it's because of how I handled the flaking the last time. I didn't text her back until two hours later, letting her know that because she did not text me back, I went to play basketball instead (which I really did), to which, she replies "oh ok".

I am not sure what is causing these girls to flake on me like that. I know flaking is part of the game and that it can never be eradicated since there are so many reasons why a girl flakes, but how can I reduced the number of girls flaking judging from my interaction above? I am pretty sure there is something I am not doing properly leading up to the dates but I am not sure what it is. I am also not sure if I should ask her out again on another date or move on and what would be the best way of going about asking her out again for the third time before cutting it loose.

This is a long report but I made sure to be as detailed as I can so that I can get good feedback on the entire interaction.

Your comments are appreciated. Thanks guys
 

Tony B

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I want to preface this with a link to an article on the site: https://www.girlschase.com/content/15-si ... -your-time

However, as bad as the "I'm seeing someone" response, I agree that it was a test, here's why:

She double texted. You, yourself even caught why.
:
"So, she answered that she is seeing someone when I asked her out, so I thought I would just next her right away. I didn't text for a whole day until she texted me the next night with a "lol", which prompted me to think that she probably is not really seeing someone, but that she was testing me or may be that it was a value problem. I saw, in one of Chase's articles where he pointed out that sometimes women will play the boyfriend card when they think they are lower value than you are."

You failed to make yourself higher value by responding like so:
Slender: lol
Me: ???
Slender: Happy New Year
Me: Happy New Year. So, how serious is that person you are seeing, are you going to marry him?
Slender: I don't know, we just started going out
Me: Well, my intentions remain the same: meet up with you over dinner or something and get to know each other, but otherwise I understand

And as a result, she responded like so:
Slender: ok

You can't make yourself higher value if she knows that you want her more than she wants you. You were on the right path by ignoring her and thats why she double texted. You got her to invest more in showing your disinterest, but you killed that as soon as you asked her how serious it was (came across as desperate) and then you still conveyed more interest in her than she did you.

Here's what I accidentally did that turned this around and got me laid the next week:

I started messaging this girl that responded very similar to yours. Thankfully I caught the bullshit and asked her "Are you single?" She responded with "Kinda". I told her "Lol you're not single". (Which got her back tracking to try and keep my interest) She admitted to her relationship with a message saying it was only just starting and I said, "Okay cool, I wish you the best". And ended the conversation. Wasn't bitter, or mad, and I presumed to forget about her.

A higher value man isn't going to waste his time on one girl because he has many options. So he's comfortable with letting go and not letting women waste his time. And she's not going to want to bang you if she thinks she can have you whenever she wants.

Exactly a week later she's blowing up my phone asking me to come over and bang her; telling me how she isn't seeing her man anymore.

I had no clue this would happen, I'd just become extremely comfortable letting girls go.
Females love thinking they're the shit until you show them otherwise by not giving them the attention they crave so much. Ignoring a girl who's wasting your time or testing you like that can only produce good results. She'll most likely backtrack like she did but you have to sell you're moving on.
Letting girls go that test you like this has worked for me all the time if they're testing your value and attainability. The person who cares less wins.

If I were you I'd move on, at this rate she can only be thinking "Wow I've flaked on him and he's still sticking around."

None of that is good. If you forget her, you stop wasting your time and increase the chance she starts engaging with you again. If not, who cares.

Side notes: You stated
:
I had her call me so I could talk to her a little bit about myself because up until that point we have never had a deep conversation, I told her a bit about me, but not too much to keep her intrigued and to increase my chances of getting out on the date. I did not ask for a second date during the phone conversation.

If I were you, I would barely even talk on the phone if I haven't had sex yet. Your goal isn't to entertain her on the phone- its to get her to the date, and your chances lower if you feel like you have to continue to invest more while she doesn't. Save all the getting to know you for in-person.

Secondly,
If a girl cancels on you and it wasn't because of something important, especially with no prior warning, all you need to respond is:

"It's okay, don't worry."

If she's into you enough, she'll scramble to find another date; If not, move on. But certainly do not end it with ":)" or reward her for disregarding your time.

I hope this helps and good luck on your journey.
 

Inowtakethelead

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Tony B said:
I want to preface this with a link to an article on the site: https://www.girlschase.com/content/15-si ... -your-time

However, as bad as the "I'm seeing someone" response, I agree that it was a test, here's why:

She double texted. You, yourself even caught why.
:
"So, she answered that she is seeing someone when I asked her out, so I thought I would just next her right away. I didn't text for a whole day until she texted me the next night with a "lol", which prompted me to think that she probably is not really seeing someone, but that she was testing me or may be that it was a value problem. I saw, in one of Chase's articles where he pointed out that sometimes women will play the boyfriend card when they think they are lower value than you are."

You failed to make yourself higher value by responding like so:
Slender: lol
Me: ???
Slender: Happy New Year
Me: Happy New Year. So, how serious is that person you are seeing, are you going to marry him?
Slender: I don't know, we just started going out
Me: Well, my intentions remain the same: meet up with you over dinner or something and get to know each other, but otherwise I understand

And as a result, she responded like so:
Slender: ok

You can't make yourself higher value if she knows that you want her more than she wants you. You were on the right path by ignoring her and thats why she double texted. You got her to invest more in showing your disinterest, but you killed that as soon as you asked her how serious it was (came across as desperate) and then you still conveyed more interest in her than she did you.

Here's what I accidentally did that turned this around and got me laid the next week:

I started messaging this girl that responded very similar to yours. Thankfully I caught the bullshit and asked her "Are you single?" She responded with "Kinda". I told her "Lol you're not single". (Which got her back tracking to try and keep my interest) She admitted to her relationship with a message saying it was only just starting and I said, "Okay cool, I wish you the best". And ended the conversation. Wasn't bitter, or mad, and I presumed to forget about her.

A higher value man isn't going to waste his time on one girl because he has many options. So he's comfortable with letting go and not letting women waste his time. And she's not going to want to bang you if she thinks she can have you whenever she wants.

Exactly a week later she's blowing up my phone asking me to come over and bang her; telling me how she isn't seeing her man anymore.

I had no clue this would happen, I'd just become extremely comfortable letting girls go.
Females love thinking they're the shit until you show them otherwise by not giving them the attention they crave so much. Ignoring a girl who's wasting your time or testing you like that can only produce good results. She'll most likely backtrack like she did but you have to sell you're moving on.
Letting girls go that test you like this has worked for me all the time if they're testing your value and attainability. The person who cares less wins.

If I were you I'd move on, at this rate she can only be thinking "Wow I've flaked on him and he's still sticking around."

None of that is good. If you forget her, you stop wasting your time and increase the chance she starts engaging with you again. If not, who cares.

Side notes: You stated
:
I had her call me so I could talk to her a little bit about myself because up until that point we have never had a deep conversation, I told her a bit about me, but not too much to keep her intrigued and to increase my chances of getting out on the date. I did not ask for a second date during the phone conversation.

If I were you, I would barely even talk on the phone if I haven't had sex yet. Your goal isn't to entertain her on the phone- its to get her to the date, and your chances lower if you feel like you have to continue to invest more while she doesn't. Save all the getting to know you for in-person.

Secondly,
If a girl cancels on you and it wasn't because of something important, especially with no prior warning, all you need to respond is:

"It's okay, don't worry."

If she's into you enough, she'll scramble to find another date; If not, move on. But certainly do not end it with ":)" or reward her for disregarding your time.

I hope this helps and good luck on your journey.



Great insight i will flirt with my coworker that i like. she said she has a boyfriend i will test her tomorrow wish me luck!! I will send a pm about what went down.
 

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debonair said:
So, she answered that she is seeing someone when I asked her out, so I thought I would just next her right away. I didn't text for a whole day until she texted me the next night with a "lol", which prompted me to think that she probably is not really seeing someone, but that she was testing me or may be that it was a value problem.

Her answer "I'm seeing someone" was an objection, not a rejection. If it was a rejection she would have flat out said no. I noticed you almost NEXTed her. Be careful - Chase has said that a lot of guys mess up when a girl objects. They think that because the girl is objecting, she’s already decided she isn’t interested in them. But that’s not what it means. She's on the fence, and you have an opportunity to sell herself further on you.

You handled the objection by asking how serious her relationship with the other guy was, and restating your intentions, but I feel like you could have handled the objection better by addressing the underlying emotional aspect of it. Think about it: if she goes on a date with you, all of a sudden that means she's seeing two guys. This complicates things for her. Now she's gotta hide it from the other guy that she's seeing you. She might feel guilty about it. Hmmm...you're not trying to get in the way of her relationship with the other guy, are you?

Me: It's okay, I figured that's what happened. That's why I had asked in the previous text if you were still sleeping.
Slender: I had to work for 12 hours, I got home at 12pm.
Me: Don't worry, no need to explain further, I understand:)
Slender: Sorry
Slender: what you are doing right now?
Me: I was talking to my little sis, she is in school at ...
Slender: Ok, So tell me a little about you
Me: I am eating some cereal, I'll tell you in a bit
Slender: lol
Me: Call me and we can talk

She ditches your dinner date rudely, yet later asks "what are you doing right now?" You took this question as her making conversation, but this was a mistake. What she really meant was this: "I don't feel like going for dinner, but we can still hang out....what are you doing right now? Maybe you could come over and fuck me." You started talking about your sister, and she likely felt disappointed and realized that you don't get her hints. After this, she starts going into auto rejection.
 
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