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NarrowJ

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Post-Divorce and Online Dating

It’s been nearly six months ago since I found this website. I was married for 8 years until December 2010. Before I was married, I was really pretty good with women and getting girls in general. However, I found that after my divorce I was having a ton of trouble getting girls interested in me- let alone wanting to go to bed with me.

Due to approach anxiety (would not have known this term at the time, but that’s what it was) I did a lot of online dating after my divorce. I found that most women I met were much older and fatter than the pictures they had on their online dating profile. Very disappointing. My self-confidence began to dwindle as I started going on dates with women that I would have never considered prior to my marriage.

Fast forward to December 2012. It’s been two years since my ex and I separated. I have an awesome career, a nice home, nice vehicle, nice boat. And, I’m a good looking guy. In fact, looking back- that seemed to be what I was getting by on, was simply my looks. Still, I could not understand why I was having so much trouble finding a nice, attractive woman to *stay* interested in me. Then BAM, I get lucky. I meet this girl and she is perfect. Or so I think. I wine her and dine her, take her on boring lunch dates. Dates at the movies. After several dates she comes over to my house and we kiss. She wants to come over the very next night. She does, and we make out a little bit and I tell her I really like her and want to wait for sex. I think this will surely get me “in” and gain her trust. In fact, just the opposite occurs- she dumps me like a sack of bricks. Just blows me off completely.

I’m upset and angry- nearly to tears.


GirlsChase.com

As I am Googling stupid phrases like “how to get a girl back” and “how to get women interested” I come across Chase’s famous article on how to get a girl back. I read it, and make a post in the comments on the article. Chase himself graciously gives me the best dating advice I’d ever received. I start to scour the articles on the site. I’d relied on women to give me dating advice for the past couple of years. Perfect right? Because they know what women want? False. Women don’t even know what they, themselves even want most of the time.

I start to work hard at bettering my image, and I practice fundamentals. I notice women looking at me again, smiling at me, etcetera. It’s like I’m a different man… except all I did was grow some facial hair, buy some new clothes, and change my posture/walk/demeanor. This causes me to gain a certain amount of confidence.

Next, I start employing some of the tactics I’m reading about on this site. Also, I join the forums about a month after finding this site. I start using some of this knowledge at clubs and other venues that I attend. I’m getting phone numbers. I’m texting them using the approach (as well as some of the templates and such that I pick up on) and seeing almost instant results. Over the course of the next couple months, basically up until now, I’ve taken several women out on dates and bedded them on the third, second, hell even the first date. Girls that used to be 9’s to me are 7’s now. Girls that were previously way out my league, I’m now taking them out on dates and fucking them.

I am giddy- nearly to tears.


Problems Arise

I kind of seen this coming, but this morning it hit me. Right now I am actively dating two women at the same time. Both of them want more investment from me. Their constant text messages and complaints that *I* don’t reply or text them quickly enough, or at all, are annoying to me. And, I have a date scheduled with another in two days. It’s like I can’t stop. I know I am biting off more than I can chew, but it’s like I don’t even care because my dick is leading me around blind.

Many women that I’d threw the full court press on and then either never contacted or stopped contacting are still sending me texts wondering what happened to me. This girl I met at a party a couple weeks ago actually sent me a bunch of berating texts last night (and continued this morning) because I never got back with her.

While on a date with a very attractive woman I met at the gym, I run into another girl that I had asked out and got her number and then never contacted. She approaches me and my date and starts talking to me and asking me when we’re going to go out. This is very awkward, and my date is a bit put off by this as well.

One girl I went on a couple dates with (and had sex with), I then abruptly told her I didn’t want to see her anymore after she started getting too close and wanting to tell me she loved me and stuff like that. And she still won’t leave me alone, and texts me and leaves me voicemails even though I haven’t responded to her last several attempts to contact me.

The most recent girl I took out. She had taken me to this place last Thursday evening where there were many of her friends there. I met quite a few of them. I guess she just ended a 10 month relationship with some guy a couple weeks ago. He sends me a series of threatening Facebook messages Saturday afternoon. I guess one of her friends must have told him she had some guy out on a date with her, and gave up my name. I really don’t know. Definitely not something I want to deal with.

I’m also dealing with jealous men out in the bars and clubs. I’m trying to learn how to screen women and watch them for a period of time to make sure they do not have a boyfriend, a big brother or father or some other jackass nearby that is going to want to try to fight me or something. Some men don’t even have to be connected in any way, shape or form to these women I’m approaching. They just see me coming into this club and picking up on the women here and get mad/jealous and want to puff up.


Summary

I read the topic on the General board “Is Being A PUA Worth It?” and have some of the same reservations as the author of that topic. I’m not even that good yet, so it’s all a little scary to me at this point. Many guys would say “oh this is an awesome problem to have”- uh, no it’s really not.

How do you guys deal with all of this shit? What are some things I can do to calm things down for me, avoid angry men/cockblockers and jilted women that won’t leave you alone? I want to forge ahead with this, I really do- but I don’t want to be creating enemies and hurting people along the way. With the women, do I need to start framing myself as a more sexual, dominant man now that I’m starting to get decent at some of this stuff? That way they may not be expecting a ton of investment or a relationship?

If I don’t either start changing the way I’m doing things, or just stop altogether- I feel as though it’s only going to get worse.
 

ChrisCassi

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My advice(coming from a beginner as well)is to completely ignore this drama. Don't get involved at all. This guy who Facebook messaged you, don't even respond to him. If he starts showing up in person, then he'd be a problem.

He messaged you because I would assume he is still chasing his ex pretty hard. Basically, I'd put NO effort into acknowledging a problem with this guy until he becomes an actually problem. If he does, I'd bow out and let the girl take care of it. It's not really your problem.

What you gotta realize is that all is fair in love and war, if you hurt someone they'll get over it. That's life.

As for more sexual framing and how to deal with cockblockers, Chase has articles on both subjects on this site somewhere(I'm still not good in sexual framing either and I'm trying to get better with dealing with cockblockers).

Hope this helps bro!
 

Thinkingenigma

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I'm going to agree with Chris on all but one point. If the dude shows up in real life, do NOT just back off and ignore him. Of course you should follow the Law of Least Effort, but if he starts giving you crap, especially in front of the girl, you need to put him down quickly and efficiently. Don't get into a shouting match with him, but don't let him walk all over you either. Just point out how he's being a douche, that she's not his girl anymore, and to just drop it, then turn around and walk away taking her with you. If he continues to harass you, give her a skeptical look that says that she needs to say something to him, and then back her up while she gets rid of him. The whole time, you need to remain calm and even-handed. This way, you accomplish two things. First, you establish your dominance over him by not being intimidated or flustered. Second, you solidify your position with the girl by making her get rid of him if he persists.
 
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ChrisCassi

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Yeah I probably should have elaborated a little more, Thinkingenigma is correct if you are interested in keeping this girl around.
 

Clout

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Hey ChrisCassi, firstly congrats on getting your life back on track (career etc) after the divorce.

I noticed when I started all this stuff that even close friends turned on me...guess it comes with the territory. I questioned whether I really wanted an abundance or just one girl to spend my days with. While searching on here I found a comment by Chase.The gist being if you had already bought into the society view of life, pua causes it to get worse before it got a hell of a lot better. I guess it gave me faith to chase what I wanted, freedom and abundance.

So I started point blank ignoring cockblockers in clubs/bars, be it friends or randoms. I started to tell women I wasn't up for their date ideas if it didn't work with mine (not outright of course). If anyone gave me a "maybe" someone else would get my time, if they checked up they would get annoyed because I "replaced" them. I felt like crap doing it but it got easier each time.

Overall though, the big picture of what makes me happy? The 30 seconds of a guy trying to challenge me, Bitchy texts etc...causes far less discomfort in my life than the idea of not having beautiful women within it.
 

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Oh and also with the whole "does she have a bf" thing...My friend taught me a very good way to defuse the situation. Guys hit on his girl all the time, so I asked him about it. He said "well to be honest if they don't know we together its a nice compliment". So now I usually just say "I didn't know, take it as a compliment I guess" and smile. Never really had any problems with that.
 

charming

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Hey Narrow!

Congrats on your good problems. Just like with anything, you overcome one challenge and discover new ones. Don't grow discouraged!

During your first conversation / date with new girls do you frame the relationship?

Usually during a first date (which is always coffee for me now) at some point I'll say "You aren't trying to husband me are you?" I phrase it as a tease (they always say no) then use it as a relationship frame. That way right of the bat they know what they're getting themselves into. I usually say "I like relationships but I'm currently enjoying my singleness and getting into some trouble. Again, it frames me as trouble so they know what to expect.
 

trashKENNUT

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NarrowJ,

Seems you're a really cool guy. :)

NarrowJ said:
I kind of seen this coming, but this morning it hit me. Right now I am actively dating two women at the same time. Both of them want more investment from me. Their constant text messages and complaints that *I* don’t reply or text them quickly enough, or at all, are annoying to me. And, I have a date scheduled with another in two days. It’s like I can’t stop. I know I am biting off more than I can chew, but it’s like I don’t even care because my dick is leading me around blind.

This is normal. You have to get yourself a will of steel. Important thing to note, What is it that you really want with this woman? If you like to date 4 different girls a week but you date 5. Your mind is trying to tell you that you're dating 5!

Not saying your mind is wrong. It is just implementing what it is that you desire in the first place.

NarrowJ said:
While on a date with a very attractive woman I met at the gym, I run into another girl that I had asked out and got her number and then never contacted. She approaches me and my date and starts talking to me and asking me when we’re going to go out. This is very awkward, and my date is a bit put off by this as well.

Onslaught of women on you eh? :) You can hold her at arm's length and tell them i talk to you sometime soon or just say yea yea (in a not interested manner).., smile and say bye. Don't get me wrong on this but i have at times friends, acquaintances jumping at me in big events where i am on the job and people want to talk to me and stuff. An experience i would like to share.

NarrowJ said:
One girl I went on a couple dates with (and had sex with), I then abruptly told her I didn’t want to see her anymore after she started getting too close and wanting to tell me she loved me and stuff like that. And she still won’t leave me alone, and texts me and leaves me voicemails even though I haven’t responded to her last several attempts to contact me.

You don't really need to tell her off, but if she's persisting, you can call her, talk to her and tell her that she's hurting you because she keep calling you and all that stuff. I had girls text me early in the morning while i was sleeping! Gosh.. But i am sure you get that already :)

NarrowJ said:
The most recent girl I took out. She had taken me to this place last Thursday evening where there were many of her friends there. I met quite a few of them. I guess she just ended a 10 month relationship with some guy a couple weeks ago. He sends me a series of threatening Facebook messages Saturday afternoon. I guess one of her friends must have told him she had some guy out on a date with her, and gave up my name. I really don’t know. Definitely not something I want to deal with.

You can really ignore the guy. But do learn self defense and fighting. And don't engage in fight unless your life is at stake. A lot of people really have nothing to do, or lose, for that matter.

NarrowJ said:
How do you guys deal with all of this shit? What are some things I can do to calm things down for me, avoid angry men/cockblockers and jilted women that won’t leave you alone? I want to forge ahead with this, I really do- but I don’t want to be creating enemies and hurting people along the way. With the women, do I need to start framing myself as a more sexual, dominant man now that I’m starting to get decent at some of this stuff? That way they may not be expecting a ton of investment or a relationship?

You just have to deal with it. Even if you not a pick up artist, but you're good with woman in general. Guys are just going to get jealous. People cockblock all the time. With women, i feel that maybe girls still see you much of potential boyfriend, because you have nice house, car and a boat.

You can tell girls you not boyfriend material. Likewise, don't show them your cool stuff.

Zac
 

NarrowJ

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Thanks for the responses, fellas. I love these forums.. you guys rock.

Anyway, don't have time right now for the long response that I would like to type out here. But, I've been trying to rationalize this and put in perspective. I guess it's sort of like when I played nintendo games and the like as a little kid- each level gets more difficult as you progress through the game, and your character will die a few times, but as you get better at it you eventually make it further and further. Probably kind of a dumb analogy lol, but forge ahead I will!

I mean, it's not like nobody ever gave me any problems before I started learning the things I have in the past several months :)

Plus, it's making me a better man and person as well.
 

Paulie Walnuts

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I can't wait to get to this point, it's a long, painful fucking journey but getting to where you are will make it all worth it!
 
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