A Different Call..

[Raphael]

Hey Raphael and I need your advice, guys.
Well i have a question . Normally most guys need help on the first phone call with girls and i know that there is a post about that in the website. Its not that question i want to make.This is a different one. Well today is my birthday and im ego high, concentration free and full of confidence and im full of energy to call a girl i like. Well the point is this im in college and im in a time of Exams, so no classes only exams. People dont see very often because people are studying. My idea is because i cannot see the girl and i have no chance to meet her until the beginning of next season i dont have the number. My thinking is : I need help with some exams and she is a very good student so i can ask a friend of mine that is friend of her too the number and call her. My question is: What you guys think about my idea of calling her telling her what i really want( no bullshit of couse, is the truth i need help in exams ), i could tell her that i get her number from a friend that she know bla bla bla. It would be wierd? or it would be nice and could get the girl in this way?Yes i´ve never spoke with her before, and maybe it would be weird. But maybe it wouldnt. You guys can tell how to not be wierd in this particular case?

PS: sorry for the large text!

 

[PinotNoir]

Do it.

This is assuming that classes are about to end and be out for summer or whatever for a long time. Else, you'll be thinking about it all summer, or you'll not have the same attraction anymore when you come back (honestly, this is what usually happens; you find new girls that you're attracted to more and haven't seen her in so long). And by the time school starts again, she could have a boyfriend.

It's better to do now than to regret later.

"hey Blah, you're friends with SoAndSo, right? well, I heard she's actually quite a good student, and we share this same class. I'm looking for a classmate to study with, so I was wondering if I could have her number?"

Make it more team-oriented. You want to help each other. Asking for a tutor-like situation when everyone is really busy probably won't work.

When you first meet up, actually study and do limited flirtation/framing. If she's responding well, then you can do a lot more flirting/framing. Next, offer to take a break and grab some coffee, etc. Then at the end of the study session ask if she wants to grab a bite to eat. At coffee and dinner, really deep dive, flirt hard, and chase frame hard.

Back in college, I was surprised to have some girls flirting with me hard during study sessions (even in front of guys with us); I was just too much of an idiot to capitalize. One even cuddled with me while we both studied... I used to think girls are all about studying and not to try anything. But if she's interested in you, she will flirt, trust me. Watch for key signs: "we make such a good team!", touching hair or licking lips a lot, sometimes blinking a lot, pushing out chest, faster breath when you 2 are closer when studying (in fact, I suggest varying your distance to see what different signs come out), touching or hitting you playfully in any way, etc.

Happy birthday man!

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hi Guys,

Do it.

This is assuming that classes are about to end and be out for summer or whatever for a long time. Else, you'll be thinking about it all summer, or you'll not have the same attraction anymore when you come back (honestly, this is what usually happens; you find new girls that you're attracted to more and haven't seen her in so long). And by the time school starts again, she could have a boyfriend.

It's better to do now than to regret later.

I agree with PinotNoir, Do it. You got her number, just whack it.

When you first meet up, actually study and do limited flirtation/framing. If she's responding well, then you can do a lot more flirting/framing. Next, offer to take a break and grab some coffee, etc. Then at the end of the study session ask if she wants to grab a bite to eat. At coffee and dinner, really deep dive, flirt hard, and chase frame hard.

This is really important especially the first time you meet her, mainly because you got her number from a friend. You would not want to come off as creep. Girls don't like this. Limited Flirtation, More like One Step Forward, Three Steps Back. After the study, you can gradually move forward.

Back in college, I was surprised to have some girls flirting with me hard during study sessions (even in front of guys with us); I was just too much of an idiot to capitalize. One even cuddled with me while we both studied... I used to think girls are all about studying and not to try anything. But if she's interested in you, she will flirt, trust me. Watch for key signs: "we make such a good team!", touching hair or licking lips a lot, sometimes blinking a lot, pushing out chest, faster breath when you 2 are closer when studying (in fact, I suggest varying your distance to see what different signs come out), touching or hitting you playfully in any way, etc.

It must be the exam stress. If she's interested or horny, not even books will stop her.

Btw, I hope you enjoy your birthday. Happy Birthday Raphael.

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Hey guys tank you very much for the comments . Well ok now that i know that i must go and not regret can you guys give me a feedback of first lines to say on the phone call to her?

 

[Raphael]

Hey guys in your opinion you guys think that my effort to get the girls number in the way i explained above its a way that she can sense that im overly chasing after her, or can be normal? i ask her help for study... and ask a friend of hers to tell the girl if it cool for her to give me the number?

 

[PinotNoir]

Hey guys in your opinion you guys think that my effort to get the girls number in the way i explained above its a way that she can sense that im overly chasing after her, or can be normal? i ask her help for study... and ask a friend of hers to tell the girl if it cool for her to give me the number?

If that's the only way you can get her number, then I think it's fine, just don't make a big deal out of it. They may sense that you're trying to be with this girl, but they're not going to know for certain -- which adds to the mystery (does he really want to study? or does he like me?). Usually, you want girls to know your intention, but this is a different case I think. Even if girls "sense" it, they can never know 100% (until you tell them directly), so you're safe.

Also, if you were to be direct with her friend and somehow still get her number and a date, then her friend would know that you're going on a date, so then she may be less likely to kiss, etc. I'd suggest reading GC's Secret Lover article.

However, if studying goes well (or even semi-well) but you didn't make a move during, at the end you can even say, "You know... I wasn't 100% truthful for my reasons to study with you tonight. I did need to study, but I also think that you're gorgeous." And if you can't get a "second" date out of that, then at least you got some studying done! (and won't be thinking about "what if" anymore and move on)

 

[trashKENNUT]

If that's the only way you can get her number, then I think it's fine, just don't make a big deal out of it. They may sense that you're trying to be with this girl, but they're not going to know for certain -- which adds to the mystery (does he really want to study? or does he like me?). Usually, you want girls to know your intention, but this is a different case I think. Even if girls "sense" it, they can never know 100% (until you tell them directly), so you're safe.

I agree with PinotNoir here. It's fine if it's the only way you can get her number. Just don't make a big deal out of it. I did this a lot of big deals during secondary/high school. Anyway girls already somewhat sense you getting her number for a reason, but after the study, you have to break the spell and be direct. Because when you hiding the banana and you assumed that she knows that you showing interest when she is actually STUDYING WITH YOU, can lead you in hot waters!

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Well guys tank you very much for the opinions and the help. Turn out that my friend said that she said " She said to you talk with her on facebook" well the problem is that i dont like talking on facebook, i need to talk personal.. what you guys think.. well i understand her position too, she dont want to give her number to a stranger... but facebook is not for me i need to see the person. Any advice?
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PS: I just dont like leave her a message( not chat ), i dont even have her like friend on facebook.. is lame.What you guys think?

 

[trashKENNUT]

" She said to you talk with her on facebook"

She probably genuinely want to help you and only see you as a friend. That's why she suggest facebook. This is complete friend-zoned. I suggest cut the contact. You can always ask other girls to help you in your work. but the idea here is study, going out with her is second.

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Well maybe the girl was online and would it be faster i dont know.. Friend zone already? she dont even know me.. Well i dont like to be friend-zoned.. maybe its better talk personally... I can go talk with her personally, show some confidence and say that i dont like talk in facebook bla bla...

 

[trashKENNUT]

Well maybe the girl was online and would it be faster i dont know.. Friend zone already? she dont even know me.. Well i dont like to be friend-zoned.. maybe its better talk personally... I can go talk with her personally, show some confidence and say that i dont like talk in facebook bla bla...

the thing when you ask her friend for her number is for study reasons, rather than you want to date her. You can give your all and talk to her personally. but she already gets the idea from her friend you wanted to study, and here, saying just contact her on facebook, means inside her brain, she doesn't think of you more than that, only study. and plus the stranger thing, it totally puts you in a situation where you are friendzoned and also stranger.

It is hard to recover from here, by all means talk to her personally, you might get her number, but whatever it is, don't put in much expectations. Go and ask.

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Zac let me say to you i think we are not talking about the same things here. She doesnt know that i want to study yet ! I´ve only said to her friend( its a guy btw one of my best friends) to say to the girl (Raquel, girl i like) if it was possible her give the number to my friend and then to meso i can TALK with her, she doesnt know if it is to study or whatever.In her mind it could be of something else... And my friend sent me a sms saying "she says to talk with her on facebook " because maybe she was online and would it be faster i dont know.. The thing here, is that her answer nothing have to do with study because she doesnt know i want to study yet because i dont had talk with her yet. She doest know the reason.

Do you think this change things or what ? ( the fact that youre assuming that she knows that the reason is for studying but she doesnt know that yet because i didnt tell her yet, i was waiting to talk with her and then say i want to study)

 

[trashKENNUT]

Do you think this change things or what ? ( the fact that youre assuming that she knows that the reason is for studying but she doesnt know that yet because i didnt tell her yet, i was waiting to talk with her and then say i want to study)

IT doesn't change the situation. Because no guy in the right mind would ask a girl to teach unless they are classmates or someone close they know. and even if she doesn't know the reason (you want to study like you have said), and also, you ask your friend to ask her to give you her number so YOU CAN TALK TO HER!, TALK TO HER MEANS I LIKE YOU, NOT STUDYING!

Even if you said studying now when you meet her. it's manipulative by any reasons. Even if u tried reasoning with her, i don't think she has your point. and in fact, you like her anyway. Studying was just a cover you are trying to put to cover her eyes. This is not advisable.

ZAc

 

[Raphael]

Zac quote : "Because no guy in the right mind would ask a girl to teach unless they are classmates or someone close they know." Zac im her classmate and of course i want to study but in my mind i want to know her and "have fun" with her. Im not the first guy in the world going study with some girl and get to know her and begin to like her, and a lot of guys can get the girl i think. What you think? The point is that i want to do things the right way thats why im asking some opinions. Do you think that i can´t get the girl now? Well i really like her, any advices besides "cut her contact" ? I dont know, talk with her personally anything? Im her classmate. yeah.

PS : I dont want to bore you or anything im just asking some opinions and i tank you help really

 

[trashKENNUT]

Im not the first guy in the world going study with some girl and get to know her and begin to like her, and a lot of guys can get the girl i think. What you think? The point is that i want to do things the right way thats why im asking some opinions. Do you think that i can´t get the girl now? Well i really like her, any advices besides "cut her contact" ? I dont know, talk with her personally anything? Im her classmate. yeah.

I actually like a girl, in school. I did manage to get her out on a trip, to take pictures of a landmark. I would not say that it is smooth. I was like in a situation like yours. I really like her too. She was beautiful and all the guys in the class like her. But it was a lot of work, i get her out with a lot of 'studying' reasons, and when she hesitates, i persist.

There's two routes,

The 'Study Route'

You can do this is to go talk to her personally, ask her that if she can help you study for that certain subject. and here, she helps you in school or anywhere after school or she talks to you on her number or facebook to discuss the study thing. During the study, you can flirt, and see how you can go from there. The key here is studying. But here's a right way to do it.

The 'Right Way' (which is why you found the website here)

Read this article, It will help you.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/cute ... art-dating

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Well tanks for the article, ive already finish reading it. Its a cool article but let me ask you a question . You were saying that you were in the same position as me ( talk to a girl you like for "study reasons") but you actually get the girl?
The article dont really talk about some "study cases outside class" and i know i need to move quickly i just need to know from you because you were/are the same position if it is possible to get the girl this way? Move to her talk personally, get some study and flirt smoothly with her..With that exprience you had what you think?

 

[trashKENNUT]

Well tanks for the article, ive already finish reading it. Its a cool article but let me ask you a question . You were saying that you were in the same position as me ( talk to a girl you like for "study reasons") but you actually get the girl?
The article dont really talk about some "study cases outside class" and i know i need to move quickly i just need to know from you because you were/are the same position if it is possible to get the girl this way? Move to her talk personally, get some study and flirt smoothly with her..With that exprience you had what you think?

i get the girl. i go out with her and it was two girls at the time, my classmates. I just did heavy flirting during the study trip, to transit myself from friend/classmate(which is where you are now) to potential boyfriend/lover. And mine was worse, i needed to convert two girls from thinking i'm a friend to i'm a lover.

You might or not get her, unless she's in your class for another year. Then maybe you can flirt sparingly until she agrees with you to go out. But nevertheless, it's hardwork.

Zac

 

[Raphael]

Yeah ok now we are in agreedment.. both like classmates, and we choose the hard way and i need to get over the transition friend/classmate to lover and thats only possible if i get the girl out (wich i plan to do but after some study days )and flirt with her smoothly during study. One more question what type of smooth flirt we are talking about? Because in your case you know some cases because you get the girl. But during study i dont see much of chances to flirt. Give me some feedback please.

Btw tanks

 

[trashKENNUT]

Because in your case you know some cases because you get the girl

I didn't know a lot about girls at the time but i was like a leader, flirtatious and cool and most guys are okay with me, i just get both girls out, on our own 'study' trip.

i dont see much of chances to flirt. Give me some feedback please.

You have to flirt from the start when you meet her. and your fundamentals also plays a role here. She thinks you her friend. That's her frame. You want her to have "fun". That's your frame. and you have to withdraw your flirting if she thinks it's uncool. and start again later. There will be openings every now and then. Key here is to really drill in her head, that you like her by flirting with her, then see where you can go from there. Oh btw, she can also be uncool and leave.

IT takes a lot of work from you, and this blog don't really emphasize to chase women up until this point. Do what you can.

Ciao,
Zac

 

[Raphael]

Ok Zac tell me something. I was tired of this things of getting the girl of my class so i get straight to the case. I add her on facebook said "Hello Raquel" and she answer very nicely " Hey, my friend told me you would like to talk with me, what is it? " And i answer "Yes i need to talk with you but not on facebook i dont really like.." she didnt answer me -.- anymore. I said again, "Hey i hear you are very smart, Am i right? " she reply " Fooled you" well i was thinking " Iam doing this all wrong so i´ve done something you told me early in the conversation to do , i said "I'm glad because I'd rather form my own opinion. I heard that you are really a good student, and as we have the same chairs .. was in search of a colleague to study, so I was wondering what you think about it." SHE never reply me again. Its obviously that i´ve done all wrong so i need to know if i can still get the girl (because i think i can´t) and what you think about this. Tanks