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A failure to move fast on a coworker

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Space Monkey
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I recently made a little rant about moving fast. This was the girl that got me frustrated in the first place.

I'm an intern at a small company (around 35 person, only 7 woman), all young person, from 18 to 34. We're all IT guys so socially, we're all below average.

Then came this new intern, hot chick, 24yo, long legs, white, graceful smile and laughs. She was placed in a different room from the main groups of guys and from my group.
Naturally, all the guys was after her, flirting, gathering around her desk to pester her with questions and trying all kinds of jokes. All the weeks following her arrival, they invite her to take lunch with them. She was smiling and following along, naturally. I knew from the get-go that these attempt were futile and it actually gave me more chance. I was already socializing with everyone before this girl arrives, so social proof was not a problem for me. I even become friend with one of the girl before so I was also preselected. What else could go wrong ?

I needed to make a move, and a good move, different from what all the guys are doing, so I tried to follow this guideline about flirting at work.

As the office is less crowded early in the morning, I tried to catch her around that time in order to not make it obvious. First, I showed her that I usually vacate my desk at this time to make small talk with everyone (it's not fake, I really did this even before she arrived). Then, after she's used to seeing me wandering around, I finally open her at our first one-to-one interaction, four day after her arrival.
- Me: Hi
- Her: Hi!
- So you're the hard-worker of the group, huh? (None of her coworker arrived yet)
- (Smile) Yeah! They're always late.
- ... (then the usual polite chit-chat for newcomers; how long is her internship, is she's still taking class, where does she lives, etc.)

I ask her her name, which I forget. We exchange name.
Finally, I felt that I began to run out of conversation topics so I made my way to the door. As I was leaving:
- Her: what was your name again ?
- Me: Okepi
- Her: Okay! Nice to meet you Okepi

Maybe that's a mistake. I felt that she still wants to talk but I was worried I would run out of conversation topics. Next time, read her signal, dumbass!

One day, while we were all joking and preparing to leave the office in the afternoon, I catch her glancing at me, I look at her, and she looked away. Seconds later, she looked at me again, I smiled and we made eye contact for a strong 2 seconds. Then, she look down and I knew I made my second fucking mistake. I thought that signaling to her that I can read her signal was a good idea but after this, she never looked at me again, at least not in that way.

Next conversation, same scenario. Early in the morning, she's in her office, alone, I'm approaching her. Nothing remarkable happen on this second interaction, so I thought that I needed to make a move, quick, because I should most fast.

In the meantime, she changed her habit in the office. She didn't hang out with the guys anymore, probably tired of all the non sense and of being put on a pedestal.
I didn't catch her that much at her desk anymore, so our next conversation was around three weeks after the last one, which I thought was very late and was part of the reason why I panicked.

- Me: So do you like this job ?
- Her: blabla... (I don't remember everything she said. She's a little bit shy and I can't process everything she said )
- ...
- Me: I heard that you don't work tomorrow morning (must be bad. Paint me as a stalker)
- Her: I have half a day per week to go to class
- Me: Oh, so you're a spoiled girl, then! Half a day per week, new laptop, ...
- Her: no! (laugh)
- ...

After a while, sensing that the office became more crowded, I just fucking ask her out out of nowhere, because if I didn't do it now, it will be too late.
- Would you like to go out sometimes ?
- ... (just smile)
- like ... huh... this weekend... for example.
- no ... (nervous laugh)
- pff (pretending to be unfazed) you prefer to attend one of Jerry's corny comedy show, don't you ? (a coworker, he's not hitting on her but he's just the funny guy of the group)
- haha

And that's how I fucked up

I blame everything on the principle of 'moving fast' when in fact, maybe it's the fact that I failed to follow it that cost me this girl.
I think that things would be different if I had more opportunity to meet her. The only way that I found to meet her was to walk directly in front of her desk, contrary to the other guys.

There's so many things that went wrong here.
 

Jan

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Dude, your problems have nothing to do with moving fast.

Your two main problems are:

NOT BEING PRESENT

Just in this short report you mention TWO TIMES that you don't remember what she said (her name and what she said about her job). Think about it, how ridicicolous it is. It's not like you were introduced to 10 people, you only had to remember ONE NAME. Then you forgot what she answered to your own question. Listen, if you don't pay attention to what the other person is saying, YOU WILL ALWAYS struggle with empty mind, and with no ideas for the conversational topics. This is because real life conversations are based on what the other person is saying. She says something and then you relate to what she said. This way you will always have something to say/ask, because you can always ask more detailed questions about what she said, or you can just share your perspective on the thing.

Also, if you don't listen to what she is saying, you have zero chance on establishing connection with her. Because connection is personal, and the only way to receive these personal information from her is through conversation.

OVERANALYZING EVERYTHING

Second problem (related to the first one) is that you are clattering your mind with unimportant details, analyzing what other dudes are doing, all these seduction concepts in your head (moving fast or not), which in your situation have very little importance. You put all these information in your head, making it very difficult for yourself to stay present. Because your mind is working on high capacity, analyzing these unimportant details, it has no extra capacity to stay present and RECEIVE AND MEMORIZE the most important information (which is what she is saying).

Forget about everything for now, focus on her, listen to her, try to get to know her. The conversation topics should be what she is giving you as answers to your questions. Just go deeper on the answers.

LASTLY

The reason why she said no to your invitation has nothing to do with acting too slow or too fast. She said no, because she doesn't know anything about you, you know anything about her.

Also, when you ask her out, you should invite her for something specific.Your invitation was BLANK. So she not only doesn't know who you are are, she also doesn't know what you want to do with her.

The best what you can do is to LISTEN to what she likes to do, and invite her to just that. Let's say she says she loves icescream. Then you say: "Hey, I know this icecream shop, they make the best icecream I had in my life. We should go there one day." But the only way you will be able to know what she likes is IF YOU LISTEN TO HER.
 
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Space Monkey
space monkey
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Thanks for the feedbacks! These are really eye-opening!
I also never knew about the technique of asking what she likes and adapting your date request to that, despite reading tons of gc articles.
 
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