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Background
This report and the lay are going to be very close to my heart since they broke all the mental barriers I had for years.

I've been trying to iron out all the issues that I run into after I got suggestions from guys here in my last couple of posts but like they say, old habits seldom die, I had still been fucking up after I bring a chic home. Even last week a girl left after she came home. Today was different. I'd like to credit @fog for his strong emphasis on elicitation, @Chad Tyrone for pointing out that I talk a lot, @Kvothe for his recent LR and most importantly @TomInHo for pointing out that I don't escalate immediately when I bring a chic home. Of course, all others who've given me pointers in the past.

Anyway, let's go...

Today I wanted to go shopping since recently I've been jaded by failures and so wanted to do something different than what I normally do. I started driving and as I was passing the centre, I saw chics and thought, "What am I doing? Why am I running away from failures?" But my mind started to convince me that I needed a break etc etc. Then I thought I'd go to a restaurant and treat myself, to begin with, and then decide what I'd do next. In the restaurant, I decided to go back.
So I parked the car and hit the pavement. After walking for almost 1hr, my energy dropped although I did a couple of approaches and they went well but somehow I still wasn't in the right mindset. So, I again got demotivated and went back home and decided to watch a movie but since I was tired, I took a power nap for 30 mins. When I woke up, I felt recharged and decided to go back to the field.

Approach

I left home and went to a park 5 mins away from where I live. There was a super cute blond sitting on the grass looking at her phone. She was casually dressed in jeans and a tank top, wearing pink coloured shoes which caught my eye. She was sitting in the middle of the lawn. So, there was no easy exit if she rejected and so I couldn't approach at an angle or body rock etc, which plays a huge role in approach. I had to go all in face to face. Thought fuck it and went to her.



Me: Is pink your favourite colour?

She: *lifts her head* haha.. why?

Me: I was climbing stairs there and saw your pink shoes which stood out from the green everywhere here

She: Hahaha.. I think so...



She was a shy chic.. she goes back to her phone



Me: I think it's cute

She: Haha.. thank you



From the last Shy Chic FU report I posted, I learnt that I have to make a shy chic invest. So I didn't plough to hook. I got to deep diving right away.



Me: What are you doing sitting here?

She: I was looking at my phone

Me: ok.. I thought you were texting someone...

She: no no.. (keeps her phone inside her bag)



She isn't making eye contact at all but I knew she was attracted since she's investing by keeping her phone inside.



Me: OK.. so is this what you normally do? (In a teasing tone?)

She: What?

Me: Sitting in the middle of the park, looking at your phone wearing pink shoes.. like Alice in Wonderland

She: hahaha



We didn't ask our ages but she was 21-22 since she was giggling at everything although not making eye contact



She: No, I was bored in my room. So I thought I'll go outside since I can do the same thing here which I'll do in my room.

Me: what?

She: looking at my phone.. hahaha

Me: Nice you're wise. I always say to my friends. If you stay at home, there's only one thing that can happen.. but if you go out there are 100s of possibilities

She: wow! I hadn't thought about that but that's a very good thought

Me: Ya, you may find something interesting, meet someone and who knows you may have a turning point in your life which you've looked for all of your life...

She: *she's listening intently*



I try not too talk much but there's no way I can make her open up without me talking. So, I carry the weight of the conversation as much as I can and I'm constantly reminding myself that I should reduce it gradually..



Me: Can I sit? (Pointing next to her.. this is a huge thing that makes a difference in terms of comfort. She thinks I'm mindful of her space and becomes more comfortable)



I won't bore you guys by going into details of word-for-word conversation. We chatted for nearly 20 minutes talked mainly about connection, adventure, and boundaries.. but still, she was not very comfortable making eye contact but I just kept moving forward.



Instant date



Bounce 1




I learnt that she was Polish and she was travelling here. Works as a medical lab assistant testing drugs. I tease her for doing drugs and that becomes an inside joke...

Me: So what are your plans for rest of the day?

She: Nothing... I'm just browsing my phone... Haha

Me: let's get a coffee.. hmm. Not coffee... it's too late for coffee. Let's get a tea



I assumed she was ready and I got up and started walking and she followed. As I learned later, she's very attracted to dominance, everything I did was leading her quite aggressively. With a couple of shy girls I've met recently, I realised that ironically they respond better to aggression than the party chics I only have experience with.

BTW, when she gets up, it's a huge surprise cos she's way taller than me and she's much hotter. I'm 5'8" and she must be close to 6" I thought WTF.. but since she was responding to the dominant frame, I just maintained that frame until the end. Normally, I find it awkward to assert dominance over a girl taller than me but this was a new experience.

We walk to the restaurant, my regular bounce spot. The waiter smirks at me for going with yet another new girl but he was warm to us. We order tea and sit outside... it's warm, sunny and a cool breeze blowing.. a perfect romantic experience



Here we talk about 8 questions mixed with some teasing and banter... I'm limiting my teasing but that's the bread and butter of my seduction. So, I fractionate rapidly mixed with light touching. This drives her crazy making her feel like riding a rollercoaster.



If I have to point out one main thing in this whole seduction process, I'd point it to Elicitation. @fog

had mentioned this a few times. I wasn't very smooth in weaving in my questions to elicit her views about the various topics we were discussing but I still managed to make her invest a lot.

I'd prompt her now and then like, "What do you think?".. "you know what I mean? Can you give me an example of something similar?".. "do you think the same?",.. "don't you think so?". "If you were in the same position, what would've you done?" Etc etc. I realised it's a very powerful tool. If I look back to my past seductions, this was a huge gap in my game.



Bounce 2

I
suggested I'll show her my favourite part of town and we walk to a place 10 mins away from the restaurant.

She was very funny. Generally, I'm the one who makes a girl laugh but today I was unable to be that stoic person. She'd make funny facial expressions, talk weird things etc. For ex: when I asked her what her favorite place in her town is, she said "cemetery" cos she finds it very peaceful there. She was just so goofy.



By this point, she had become very comfortable. Although she was taller than me, I was manhandling her like I always do with chics by pushing her to a lamppost while walking, pulling her holding her waist, poking her belly etc. It was a strange experience. Although I've been with taller girls in the past, I'd play a different game with them but today I was very close to my natural self.

BTW, I don't know if anybody else experiences this but when I'm out with a chic, I don't know why people talk to her. For ex: if we're at a traffic signal, they'd compliment her dress or style etc.. it's mostly girls of her age. The other day, a chic who I failed to close was in the lift with me in my apartment and another chic started complimenting her. It's super strange. Sometimes they just look at us. Today that strange look had compounded so much with our height difference. Lol



While walking, I asked her what would she do if she had a lot of money. She said, she'll buy a small house but would never invest in any other material possessions like cars etc. She mentions her mom would not be happy though since she wants her to have a family and then buy a house etc. I use that as bait to talk about freedom, not living for others, living freely etc and then she asks me the same, I say I'd like to travel the world visiting every corner of the world including the remotest islands. I use listing and contrasting as much as possible to paint a picture of an adventurous life, living purposefully, being present in every moment etc.

She finds all of this very thrilling.

While talking about this, I said "I can be happy even when inside. I don't want to be travelling all the time to be happy".. she exclaimed "What? Inside?".. and she started laughing loudly... it was a sexual innuendo.. oh boy...

if a girl is good with sexual innuendos, she's the best candidate for me to seduce...



After this point, our conversation was based mostly on sexual innuendos. I'd say, it's getting cold... "I want to be somewhere inside where it's warm" and she'd giggle.. talking about favourite places, I say "I like warm places but I like some places which are wet as long as they're warm" Haha



I had seeded the date already a few times by showing where my apartment was, talking about my pencil sketches that I do etc but although she was comfortable by now, she was not ready to be bounced home.



This time I wanted to make sure she was ready before I bounced home and dealt with LMRs.



Bounce 3

So, we come sit at the waterfront. She's amazed at how beautiful it is.
As we were talking about something, she mentioned she likes ice cream. I say, let's go have an ice cream right after we got there, saying we'll come back. I wanted to create as many time bridges as possible. In a 5 mins walking distance, we go to an ice cream parlour and we get ice-creams I ask her about her job and she says, her job is to make babies. This is going to be another inside joke for the rest of the night.



Anyway, she works in a lab with artificial insemination and she literally makes babies by collecting semen samples and fertilising them with eggs. I was intrigued by this and genuinely wanted to know. So, she explained everything in detail. There were lots and lots of sexual innuendos but remember I've not used second-gen verbals yet... I was not sure if that's needed since this is already working.



I thought there was a sexual frame but there was not enough sexual comfort to give her an idea about my thinking of secret society, being judgemental etc.. also I had not elicited her sexual values. I think that is another important key that got me this lay.



Although there was so much sexual tension in the air with physical escalation and sexual innuendos, I could clearly say she still wasn't comfortable bouncing home since she'd look at her phone now and then. So, by suggesting a bounce home, I'd cement her apprehensions. So, I wanted to spend more time with her outside. As it is, this is an SDL and she's shy. It's just been a couple of hours since I met her. I thought it is going to be an uphill battle if I took her home so quickly. So, I suggest going back to the place where we went earlier.



Bounce 4

We go back to the "Bounce 2" location and then I escalate heavily although there are people around. I don't want to kiss and raise her ASD but I also don't want to reduce the sexual tension cos it's already 8 pm (I met her at 6 pm). If I don't increase the buying temperature, it's going to be hard. Except for kissing, I've touched almost everywhere.



Now I thought, it's time to bounce and I said:

Me: Remember the pencil sketch that I told you earlier, that's as beautiful as this place

She: Really?

Me: Ya, it's my imagination of a beautiful place

She: Where do you have it? (She was giving a green signal for my plausible deniability)

Me: it's at my place.. let's go... I'll show it



I could say she still had apprehensions



She: Hmm.. can we go in some time?

Me: of course.. there's no hurry.. let's enjoy this view. The here and now.



I switch from a teasing voice tone to a seductive voice tone. It's a form of fractionation I use in seductions to tune the sexual tension. Imagine it like a tuning knob.. on one end is the teasing tone and on the other is the seductive tone...



I quickly switch to a teasing tone and point to a guy fishing and say "Imagine the guy jumping off with the fishing rod".. this was an unusual joke.. sounded more like a dad joke but thought that was appropriate for the vibe going on between us after me suggesting the bounce home.. she cracked up hard and it cooled the sexual tension between us. Then I ask her to go see this view from another angle.



Besides "elicitation", another technique I extensively used was bouncing a lot or moving.. there were major bounces between locations and minor bounces within those locations.



It's just a few steps from where we were standing earlier but it had a new energy. There was sexual tension building again but I didn't want to suggest bouncing again and entering no ladder. So thought I'd kiss but that would've been a sexual tension killer.. so I just.. moved again..



Bounce home (5)



After a couple of mins, I just started walking and she followed... there was no verbal confirmation of bouncing since I thought that was not necessary.



It was difficult to keep her anxiety down until we got to my apartment which was nearly 10 mins away. I somehow managed to talk about her home town etc.. As we approach my apartment, she asks, where are we going?



Me: this is where I live (I don't hesitate and keep walking. I hear her steps behind me but after a couple of steps I stop and so I look back)

She: I think I'll go home

Me: Hmm.. what happened?

She: I don't know... I think I want to go home.



Bounce (6)



From a recent LR from @Kvothe I learnt that if this happens, the best thing to do is to move her.. So I suggest we go sit in the park next to my apartment. We go sit there and she sits at a distance. I ask her to sit next to me and joke saying "I won't bite you or maybe I will". She giggles and sits next to me. She is very nervous. I take her hand in my hand and it's very cold. I talk about other things to distract her and then she still feels very unsettled. So, I asked her what's the issue. You looked like you were comfortable earlier (I knew I was treading the danger zone of rising ASD but I had to resolve her objections).



She said she's scared of my extroverted energy and she's very introverted and this is the most she has ever done in her life. I comfort her by saying I understand and she gets ready to leave. I say, if you don't want I don't like chasing but your eyes are saying something different than what you're saying. She says they're lying and I say eyes never lie. Then I say, how about you come and you can leave as soon as you see my drawing? Finally, she agrees.



As I approach my door again, she retracts... Lol

This was insane. She says she will leave and I say I feel sorry for her for not going for what she wants.



Bounce (7)

Then I walk with her for a few yards and I slow down outside a bar next to my place and I suggest we play pool here. She doesn't agree. I wasn't chasing her.. but she was not walking away either... funnily she was not able to make a decision and I was just watching her with mock amusement. She keeps asking me, why are you doing this to me? And I ask her back what am I doing laughing? She's just standing there like a lost child. She says I talk a lot and she can't think.. so I said ok... You take your time to think, I'll keep dancing to this music...



In the past, I'd have become upset or given up but I just thought it was so silly and cute. When standing outside the bar, I just move my body pretending to be dancing while she's deciding what to do. I don't say anything.. she's just thinking and thinking and thinking and now and then she says she'll leave.. I say ok but she doesn't leave... I just keep smiling at her and she tells me not to smile at her... I said ok and I kept dancing...



After a couple of dances, I say, how about we do something? I gave you a chance to come to my place but you lost it. Now, how about you convince me to take you home? It's insane how a girl's mind works... I realised that if a girl thinks it's her idea of sleeping, then she'll not resist, this sounded ok to her but she said she has never done this before... I said you should start somewhere.



I said I'll give you a few tips... I have chocolate in my place, wine, romantic balcony but I won't invite you. Now using this info, convince me to take you home.

I don't know what struck her.. she said.. "wow.. that's so dominating. Should I say, Sir?"...



Damn. With all that sexual elicitation, I still hadn't got this info. This was one trick I had not used in my book. Now I realised that she likes dominant sex and I came up with a dominant sex gambit which I made up randomly. The words didn't matter but she was ready.
Lay

She asked, "Can you take me home and give me chocolate?"... I said "Sir?".. she laughed and said "Ok. Sir"



We came home. This time I didn't waste time doing nonsense.. turned on music, took her to the balcony.. kissed her.. came back and sat on the couch.. got hot and heavy.. she was ready to go.. without any fractionation. She was more beautiful without clothes. I relished every inch of her body.



I went down on her for almost 30 mins and she came a couple of times but I couldn't make her cum with penetration. I came faster than her during penetration. Somehow with new girls, I always have this problem. But after the first time, I'm unstoppable and can make her cum multiple times with penetration. I need to find a solution to this problem.



Anyway, she said I was very good in bed and this was her best. However, I wanted her to experience my real service lol

She was hungry for more but I was exhausted. So I asked her to either stay back the night or we meet another time and she said she needed to go and she'll think about another time and let me know.



Keys to the lay

- Elicitation was an important key as I mentioned earlier

- Calm perseverance

- Calibrating to every curve ball she was throwing

- Learning from past mistakes



Techniques used:



I thought I'd add this cos I wanted to come back to this report in future and have a glance at it:

- Elicitation

- Calibration

- Time-bridging

- Contrasting

- Listing

- Sexual innuendos

- Second-gen verbals

- Physical escalation

- Fractionation (verbal, physical, voice)

- Eye-contact

- Teasing

- Seductive vocabulary



I mentioned earlier there were a few mental barriers more like myths which I had developed after COVID.. that this lay helped debunk:

- Although I've been with taller girls in the past, these days it was haunting me for some reason. Tall blondes are the same as other girls

- Shy girls are not as delicate as I think. They may be delicate but if calibrated well, all girls are the same

- She was a lot younger than me. This was a recent limited belief I had started to develop.

- She was the first girl who didn't even ask about my nationality. Either my vibe is improving or I'm getting off rust thankfully



There's something special about sleeping with a new chic. I don't know if it's the excitement or the sense of adventure which I tend to lose after sleeping a few times even though they're really good. Something to think about.
 
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Zoro

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Nice going.

Me: this is where I live (I don't hesitate and keep walking. I hear her steps behind me but after a couple of steps I stop and so I look back)

She: I think I'll go home

Me: Hmm.. what happened?

She: I don't know... I think I want to go home.



Bounce (6)



From a recent LR from @Kvothe I learnt that if this happens, the best thing to do is to move here.. So I suggest we go sit in the park next to my apartment.

I want to remember this. Seems like a useful move.

I don't know if it's the excitement or the sense of adventure which I tend to lose after sleeping a few times even though they're really good. Something to think about.

The pleasure from new sex come from the conquest, the adventure, the new experience. Good sex from a regular comes from developing a connection, exploring a person you're intrigued by, and having a compatible match in bed.

I think a lot of guys who get bored with girls they start to see regularly either don't really care to develop a connection, or don't know how. Add in the importance of choosing the right girl to develop a connection with (compatibility, chemistry, shared values, good fit for your life, sexual compatibility, etc.) and I can see how guys get frustrated with regulars.
 

Kvothe

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I am inspired by this. Good job on the persistence, and maximizing the time bridges.

After a couple of dances, I say, how about we do something? I gave you a chance to come to my place but you lost it. Now, how about you convince me to take me home? It's insane how a girl's mind works... I realised that if a girl thinks it's her idea of sleeping, then she'll not resist, this sounded ok to her but she said she has never done this before... I said you should start somewhere.
I found this quite fascinating.
 

TomInHo

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Great report G!

Shy girls respond extremely well to being led. Ironically it's the best way to get them comfortable, but there were some things that stood out to me in this report

While talking about this, I said "I can be happy even when inside. I don't want to be travelling all the time to be happy".. she exclaimed "What? Inside?".. and she started laughing loudly... it was a sexual innuendo.. oh boy...

if a girl is good with sexual innuendos, she's the best candidate for me to seduce...



After this point, our conversation was based mostly on sexual innuendos. I'd say, it's getting cold... "I want to be somewhere inside where it's warm" and she'd giggle.. talking about favourite places, I say "I like warm places but I like some places which are wet as long as they're warm" Haha



I had seeded the date already a few times by showing where my apartment was, talking about my pencil sketches that I do etc but although she was comfortable by now, she was not ready to be bounced home.



This time I wanted to make sure she was ready before I bounced home and dealt with LMRs.

Looks like she was giving you cues to pull here, and I honestly feel like you could have moved a lil faster. Because more time spent together doesn't always equal more quality comfort and arousal

IMO it's good to go for it as fast as you can, and if she declines your pull attempt you can always extend the date and handle her underlying objections

Bounce 3

So, we come sit at the waterfront. She's amazed at how beautiful it is.
As we were talking about something, she mentioned she likes ice cream. I say, let's go have an ice cream right after we got there, saying we'll come back. I wanted to create as many time bridges as possible. In a 5 mins walking distance, we go to an ice cream parlour and we get ice-creams I ask her about her job and she says, her job is to make babies. This is going to be another inside joke for the rest of the night.


See... she is giving more windows

Anyway, she works in a lab with artificial insemination and she makes babies by collecting semen samples and fertilising them with eggs. I was intrigued by this and genuinely wanted to know. So, she explained everything in detail. There were lots and lots of sexual innuendos but remember I've not second-verbals yet... I was not sure if that's needed since this is already working.


I thought there was a sexual frame but there was not enough sexual comfort to give her an idea about my thinking of secret society, being judgemental etc.. also I had not elicited her sexual values. I think that is another important key that got me this lay.


Yeah, you can elicit values and do all these fancy tech but it's not always needed. Sometimes you have to trust your gut and go for it while emotions are high.

I actually believe that a guy that is able to jump through windows effortlessly sub-communicates that he is secret society without having to over-explain

Because I use second gen too, but have also pulled girls super fast without it solely of reading their signals

Although there was so much sexual tension in the air with physical escalation and sexual innuendos, I could clearly say she still wasn't comfortable bouncing home since she'd look at her phone now and then. So, by suggesting a bounce home, I'd cement her apprehensions. So, I wanted to spend more time with her outside. As it is, this is an SDL and she's shy. It's just been a couple of hours since I met her. I thought it was going to be an uphill battle if I took her home so quickly. So, I suggest going back to the place where we went earlier.

Actually, her looking at her phone could be reframed as "this guys is taking too damn long and now I'm feeling uncomfortable"

Bounce 4

We go back to the "Bounce 2" location and then I escalate heavily although there are people around. I don't want to kiss and raise her ASD but I also don't want to reduce the sexual tension cos it's already 8 pm (I met her at 6 pm). If I don't increase the buying temperature, it's going to be hard. Except for kissing, I've touched almost everywhere.


Now I thought, it's time to bounce and I said:

Me: Remember the pencil sketch that I told you earlier, that's as beautiful as this place

She: Really?

Me: Ya, it's my imagination of a beautiful place

She: Where do you have it? (She was giving a green signal for my plausible deniability)

Me: it's at my place.. let's go... I'll show it


I could say she still had apprehensions


She: Hmm.. can we go in some time?

Me: of course.. there's no hurry.. let's enjoy this view. The here and now.

Okay, you finally pulled the trigger and went for the close, and now you know you there is an underlying objection. But you could have reached this point way sooner

Plus there's also a possibility that if you attempted to pull earlier when the tension was high, she would have agreed then

I switch from a teasing voice tone to a seductive voice tone. It's a form of fractionation I use in seductions to tune the sexual tension. Imagine it like a tuning knob.. on one end is the teasing tone and on the other is the seductive tone...

I quickly switch to a teasing tone and point to a guy fishing and say "Imagine the guy jumping off with the fishing rod".. this was an unusual joke.. sounded more like a dad joke but thought that was appropriate for the vibe going on between us after I suggesting the bounce home.. she cracked up hard and it cooled the sexual tension between us. Then I ask her to go see this view from another angle.

Besides "elicitation", another technique I extensively used was bouncing a lot or moving.. there were major bounces between locations and minor bounces within those locations.

It's just a few steps from where we were standing earlier but it had a new energy. There was sexual tension building again but I didn't want to suggest bouncing again and entering no ladder. So thought I'd kiss but that would've been a sexual tension killer.. so I just.. moved again..

Nice, you trying to get her horny to override her objection is not a bad stratedgy

Bounce home (5)

After a couple of mins, I just started walking and she followed... there was no verbal confirmation of bouncing since I thought that was not necessary.


It was difficult to keep her anxiety down until we got to my apartment which was nearly 10 mins away. I somehow managed to talk about her home town etc.. As we approach my apartment, she asks, where are we going?


Me: this is where I live (I don't hesitate and keep walking. I hear her steps behind me but after a couple of steps I stop and so I look back)

She: I think I'll go home

Me: Hmm.. what happened?

She: I don't know... I think I want to go home.

Yeah, not a good look. I'm personally not a fan of "tricking" girls to come to my place. Because if compliance was high enough, she would say yes to your request anyways without you being shady and potentially losing some trust points

Bounce (6)


From a recent LR from @Kvothe I learnt that if this happens, the best thing to do is to move here.. So I suggest we go sit in the park next to my apartment. We go sit there and she sits at a distance. I ask her to sit next to me and joke saying "I won't bite you or maybe I will". She giggles and sits next to me. She is very nervous. I take her hand in my hand and it's very cold. I talk about other things to distract her and then she still feels very unsettled. So, I asked her what's the issue. You looked like you were comfortable earlier (I knew I was treading the danger zone of rising ASD but I had to resolve her objections).

She said she's scared of my extroverted energy and she's very introverted and this is the most she has ever done in her life. I comfort her by saying I understand and she gets ready to leave. I say, if you don't want I don't like chasing but your eyes are saying something different than what you're saying. She says they're lying and I say eyes never lie. Then I say, how about you come and you can leave as soon as you see my drawing? Finally, she agrees.

There you go!

You escalate, get resistance, find out the source of the resistance, handle it and escalate again. That's how you should be doing it and not waiting around hoping she will magically change her mind

As I approach my door again, she retracts... Lol

This was insane. She says she will leave and I say I feel sorry for her not going for what she wants.

Lol... she's a tough one, but you should see this as feedback

This is something I did a while ago.... I work in sales and learned that people tend to have the same objections before making a purchase. And what helped me improve my closing rate was take notes of every single objection I got

Then in my "presentation" with new clients I would pre-emptively deal with those objections before they came up.

And guess what, you can do the same with seduction

You can get girls to qualify to having qualities like
  • Being adventurous
  • Being open minded
  • Being able to live in the moment
  • Being able to go after what they want without fearing judgment

You can work these frames into your conversation and they will not only emotionally stimulate her, but make her feel like having sex with you was her idea. She wouldn't realize you implanted those thoughts into her head

Also getting her to comply to those social frames makes it a lot easier to transition into more sexual ones when you're ready to close

Bounce (7)

Then I walk with her for a few yards and I slow down outside a bar next to my place and I suggest we play pool here. She doesn't agree. I wasn't chasing her.. but she was not walking away either... funnily she was not able to make a decision and I was just watching her with mock amusement. She keeps asking me, why are you doing this to me? And I ask her back what am I doing laughing? She's just standing there like a lost child. She says I talk a lot and she can't think.. so I said ok... You take your time to think, I'll keep dancing to this music...


In the past, I'd have become upset or given up but I just thought it was so silly and cute. When standing outside the bar, I just move my body pretending to be dancing while she's deciding what to do. I don't say anything.. she's just thinking and thinking and thinking and now and then she says she'll leave.. I say ok but she doesn't leave... I just keep smiling at her and she tells me not to smile at her... I said ok and I kept dancing...



After a couple of dances, I say, how about we do something? I gave you a chance to come to my place but you lost it. Now, how about you convince me to take me home? It's insane how a girl's mind works... I realised that if a girl thinks it's her idea of sleeping, then she'll not resist, this sounded ok to her but she said she has never done this before... I said you should start somewhere.



I said I'll give you a few tips... I have chocolate in my place, wine, romantic balcony but I won't invite you. Now using this info, convince me to take you home.

I don't know what struck her.. she said.. "wow.. that's so dominating. Should I say, Sir?"...


The persistence really paid off, and like how you reframed it like it was her idea

That was the real key to the lay here, making her feel like she had to win you over a bit to get a reward


Damn. With all that sexual elicitation, I still hadn't got this info. This was one trick I had not used in my book. Now I realised that she likes dominant sex and I came up with a dominant sex gambit which I made up randomly. The words didn't matter but she was ready.

Fun fact... most women love men that are dominant. So it's safe to always assume it


Lay

She asked, "Can you take me home and give me chocolate?"... I said "Sir?".. she laughed and said "Ok. Sir"

We came home. This time I didn't waste time doing nonsense.. turned on music, took her to the balcony.. kissed her.. came back and sat on the couch.. got hot and heavy.. she was ready to go.. without any fractionation. She was more beautiful without clothes. I relished every inch of her body.

I went down on her for almost 30 mins and she came a couple of times but I couldn't make her cum with penetration. I came faster than her during penetration. Somehow with new girls, I always have this problem. But after the first time, I'm unstoppable and can make her cum multiple times with penetration. I need to find a solution to this problem.

Anyway, she said I was very good in bed and this was her best. However, I wanted her to experience my real service lol

She was hungry for more but I was exhausted. So I asked her to either stay back the night or we meet another time and she said she needed to go and she'll think about another time and let me know.

Dope report!

Think you could have moved through some steps faster, but it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme because you still got the lay. Just wanted to offer a different perspective based off what you wrote
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

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Nice going.



I want to remember this. Seems like a useful move.



The pleasure from new sex come from the conquest, the adventure, the new experience. Good sex from a regular comes from developing a connection, exploring a person you're intrigued by, and having a compatible match in bed.

I think a lot of guys who get bored with girls they start to see regularly either don't really care to develop a connection, or don't know how. Add in the importance of choosing the right girl to develop a connection with (compatibility, chemistry, shared values, good fit for your life, sexual compatibility, etc.) and I can see how guys get frustrated with regulars.
You're right but in the past I've been way too vulnerable and got hurt. So, although I consciously try to build connection, subconsciously I'm closed off, perhaps. I'm working on it as well. Hope I can see that side again positively someday.
 

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Great report G!

Shy girls respond extremely well to being led. Ironically it's the best way to get them comfortable, but there were some things that stood out to me in this report



Looks like she was giving you cues to pull here, and I honestly feel like you could have moved a lil faster. Because more time spent together doesn't always equal more quality comfort and arousal

IMO it's good to go for it as fast as you can, and if she declines your pull attempt you can always extend the date and handle her underlying objections
Would I not be entering no ladder? I find it hard to course correct than to be really sure. Maybe it's my perfectionism coming in my way.
See... she is giving more windows




Yeah, you can elicit values and do all these fancy tech but it's not always needed. Sometimes you have to trust your gut and go for it while emotions are high.

I actually believe that a guy that is able to jump through windows effortlessly sub-communicates that he is secret society without having to over-explain

Because I use second gen too, but have also pulled girls super fast without it solely of reading their signals



Actually, her looking at her phone could be reframed as "this guys is taking too damn long and now I'm feeling uncomfortable"
Hmm.. good point
Okay, you finally pulled the trigger and went for the close, and now you know you there is an underlying objection. But you could have reached this point way sooner

Plus there's also a possibility that if you attempted to pull earlier when the tension was high, she would have agreed then



Nice, you trying to get her horny to override her objection is not a bad stratedgy



Yeah, not a good look. I'm personally not a fan of "tricking" girls to come to my place. Because if compliance was high enough, she would say yes to your request anyways without you being shady and potentially losing some trust points



There you go!

You escalate, get resistance, find out the source of the resistance, handle it and escalate again. That's how you should be doing it and not waiting around hoping she will magically change her mind



Lol... she's a tough one, but you should see this as feedback

This is something I did a while ago.... I work in sales and learned that people tend to have the same objections before making a purchase. And what helped me improve my closing rate was take notes of every single objection I got

Then in my "presentation" with new clients I would pre-emptively deal with those objections before they came up.

And guess what, you can do the same with seduction

You can get girls to qualify to having qualities like
  • Being adventurous
  • Being open minded
  • Being able to live in the moment
  • Being able to go after what they want without fearing judgment

You can work these frames into your conversation and they will not only emotionally stimulate her, but make her feel like having sex with you was her idea. She wouldn't realize you implanted those thoughts into her head

Also getting her to comply to those social frames makes it a lot easier to transition into more sexual ones when you're ready to close
I did these but not enough. I'll keep these mind.
The persistence really paid off, and like how you reframed it like it was her idea

That was the real key to the lay here, making her feel like she had to win you over a bit to get a reward




Fun fact... most women love men that are dominant. So it's safe to always assume it




Dope report!

Think you could have moved through some steps faster, but it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme because you still got the lay. Just wanted to offer a different perspective based off what you wrote
Thanks @TomInHo. Great feedback as always bro. Will keep your pointers in mind.
 

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nice work @Gladiator, i am excited to follow your progression

Like TominHo says following a rigid compass will only hinder you

I did see you elicited naturally here:

when I asked her what her favorite place in her town is, she said "cemetery" cos she finds it very peaceful there. She was just so goofy.

You asked an uncomplicated question [one of MY favourites, actually], and it led to her giving you a great answer: PEACE. This is the state to stimulate her on. Keep an eye out for this word next time and explore it in the moment or tuck it away for later outside of her funny disguise. Whenever you choose, go round and round it with stimulating angles. Notice how closely peace was tied to the cemetery. what is the CONNECTION between the cemetery and peace? hmmmm…have you ever noticed how connections are peaceful? Yes it is very important to find yourself with someone who makes you feel AT PEACE with yourself…

ME: I want your opinion on something
HER: what is it?
ME: what do you think when there is an absence of peace….
Her: *thinking*
Me: whether it’s in your experiences, in your feelings, or with other people…there are many different scenarios where there is an absence of peace…. I am very curious, what do you think when theres an absence of peace?

I also saw you brought up boundaries:

We chatted for nearly 20 minutes talked mainly about connection, adventure, and boundaries.. but still, she was not very comfortable making eye contact but I just kept moving forward.

The boundary speak is great, I find it snaps best after i have started getting physical. Heres a field example from the other night:

HER: *talking herself up*
ME: oh my god thats so hot
*I lean into kiss her, she is receptive*
HER: I didnt say you could kiss me
ME: I wanna savour this moment with you
ME: Also, its important to me that you express your boundaries around me. If I am doing something, saying something that is getting in your space, I want you to let me know. Okay?
HER: *a surge of fresh passion consumes her face*
 
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nice work @Gladiator, i am excited to follow your progression

Like TominHo says following a rigid compass will only hinder you

I did see you elicited naturally here:
Yeah, looking back I elicited a lot but I didn't capitalize enough on each of the responses. Something to be mindful of, for next time.
You asked an uncomplicated question [one of MY favourites, actually], and it led to her giving you a great answer: PEACE. This is the state to stimulate her on. Keep an eye out for this word next time and explore it in the moment or tuck it away for later outside of her funny disguise. Whenever you choose, go round and round it with stimulating angles. Notice how closely peace was tied to the cemetery. what is the CONNECTION between the cemetery and peace? hmmmm…have you ever noticed how connections are peaceful? Yes it is very important to find yourself with someone who makes you feel AT PEACE with yourself…
When I'm with a girl, I go with the flow naturally since I tend to lose track of the present moment if I'm trying to recall tech. In fact even with sex gambits, I only remember 2 of them by heart - 8 orgasms, good and bad lover. Although I put a personal spin on them based on the girl. I guess it comes with practice?!

Anyway, now I see how you weave her responses to elicit more.

I also saw you brought up boundaries:



The boundary speak is great, I find it snaps best after i have started getting physical. Heres a field example from the other night:
Ya this was a great topic about boundaries and she became a lot more comfortable after this.

Me: So are you planning to push past your boundaries during your travel?
She: What do you mean?
Me: When you're traveling you become aware of your limitations and it's a great way to test your limits and push past your boundaries. I think it's very important to know your boundaries and even boundaries of others.
She: Oh ya.. I hadn't thought about it like that but now that you're saying that, I realize I've been a lot more spontaneous than how I was back home.

.. and then we slowly veered into the topic of spontaneity..!
 
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