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Arthurius

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Hello all, I'm a college student studying computer engineering and I'm still novice to how to be successful with women and really social IQ in general (EQ).

This might sound a little cringy, even to myself as I write this, but it explains the bulk of my problem from my perspective.

Ever since I was a kid I would typically get into a cycle of rejection that has definitely been unhealthy. The steps basically went like this:

1) Happen upon a girl, in my class, through a social event or activity, and admire her from afar.

2) Think about the best way to approach her, all the while still building up in my head this idealized version of her more or less on how she looks (still with me?)

3) Eventually talk to her, maybe once or twice, get contact info, try to stay consistent (typically with the three-day rule) and usually get to know her. Basic questions, stuff like that.

4) Ask her out (eventually I learned what that entailed in middle school) and get rejected.

5) Stay in a state of licking my wounds, sometimes up to a year or two (the one in high school and most recently in college have been rather extensive, a lot of energy wasted).

6) Rinse and repeat.

So as a twenty year-old college student, I'd like to really break this cycle and see some results. But my real question is, how do I get over the fact that getting rejected by a girl I am really interested in feels like I'm never going to get a shot at someone as good as this? I've basically wasted high school with no results thinking that way over one girl, it was really hard to even talk to other girls for a while.

With that, my question is more along the lines of the ideas of "leagues", since throughout high school and a seemingly recurring trend in college is that the more popular, more attractive girls/women still seem to hang out with the athletes, in the higher echelons of society and how can an average guy like me become successful with those kinds of girls? Is it fate? Thank you in advance.
 

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Arthurius said:
With that, my question is more along the lines of the ideas of "leagues", since throughout high school and a seemingly recurring trend in college is that the more popular, more attractive girls/women still seem to hang out with the athletes, in the higher echelons of society and how can an average guy like me become successful with those kinds of girls? Is it fate? Thank you in advance.

You're assuming more attractive girls is up there and you're down there. That's the wrong assumption to start with and also where your problem is. They are just normal human beings with everyday problem just like you. Look past the stories you have created about these girls and talk to more girls!
 

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Hey Arthurius!
It's good that you want to break your current situation. A little more than a year ago I was probably in a similar situation as yours, when I decided to start changing things and chanced upon Girl Chase to support me in the journey.

As Smith said, you have a few unhelpful assumptions like the gap between attractive girls and you. As you start meeting girls you realize that seduction really depends on things you can learn, rather than fate or some external factor.

And how do you become good at it? by taking action!
Talk to more girls, make small talk with as many people as you can, do the newbie assignment, read the required readings (viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34) and keep asking questions.

Sooner than later you'll start getting good results.

p.s. the three day rule is totally unnecessary
 

Arthurius

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Thank you for the replies, I'll check into the beginner stuff.

Does college have a different context at all? I feel like girls here may be more open to friendship at first rather than just having someone cold approach and possibly just looking to hook up in their eyes.

It is important to note my intentions, too. I am aiming for a serious girlfriend (who I obviously find attractive).

Thanks again.
 
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I had the same problem in school. I would see a girl I like, and being unsure about what to do I would try to convince myself that she's good enough for me to make a move. During that time I would be digging my own friendzone grave, while getting more and more emotionally invested in her, until I reach the moment where I decide to go for it, and get rejected pretty bad.

Now that I look back on it, even though I still am not very good at this, I realize how much I've changed thanks to GC primarily. I will try as much as possible to give you ideas that would hopefully help you in this situation:

-As soon as you set eyes on a girl you have to decide whether or not you would like to approach her and get to know her. I even recommend that at this early stage you approach all girls considering they are at least slightly attractive. I'm starting to do that myself, and it's a great way to train yourself to approach, notice your mistakes, etc... and after all, less attractive girls are usually less intimidating when you're first starting out.

-I suggest having a generic opener for certain categories of situations. Like having an opener for street approaches, or one for campus, or you can even have just one opener that you always use (at first, later you'll have to change). Why would you do that? I've been in a situation where I see a cute girl, maybe I catch her looking my way or positioning herself next to me, and I don't approach her, and screw up a potential opportunity simply because I was still thinking about what I should say. With enough practice using your preferred opener, you will start to get used to the idea, and develop the "mental muscles" that will automatically give you what you need to say in a certain situation. A lot of people say that it doesn't matter much what you say to a girl, as long as you say something, and project a proper vibe with your non-verbals.

-Don't get emotionally attached too soon. Leave that for the women. So if you meet a woman you like, don't start thinking about your future with her and how awesome she is and how happy it would make you to be with her and all that crap. As far as you know, she has to qualify herself, and prove that she is worthy of your time. Start acting (and thinking) like the selector, not the selectee. Don't get clingy and needy and transform into a wuss who's trying to win her approval. Have the balls to tease her in a fun way and she will absolutely love you for it.

-Before you go out, write down three things you want to focus on in your next interaction with a woman. For example, building rapport, getting compliance and teasing her more. You will find it easier to focus on just three items instead of having a huge amount of information flowing through your mind while you're trying to talk to the woman at the same time.
 

Arthurius

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Thanks for replying Frost. Getting emotionally attached too soon versus trying some techniques to attract her is definitely the balancing act I've been unsure about. That friendzone versus lover mentality.

I'll do a journey log or just post other questions on the forums as I go along. Thanks again for the help everyone.
 
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