Being Perceived as high value/low value

[Zeke]

I was reading the article on "How to Compliment a Girl like you've known her for Years" and I was wondering what are some signs that a woman thinks you're of high value or low value.

The article states you should use sexual compliments when you're perceived as lower in value than her, and "us vs the world" compliments when you're perceived as higher in value than her. Now I just need to get the correct situation and timing down.

I get the "don't display high value" part - don't flaunt material wealth or overplay some unique skill you have. However on pickup/on a date, what should I be looking for?

If she thinks you're high value - will she be praising you a lot, showering you with compliments, trying to get really close to you, eyes big, etc?

If she thinks you're low value - will she be teasing you competitively, playfully testing you, etc?

 

[Garrett]

Zeke,

I think what you're trying to ask is, how do you show a girl that you're high value and how can you tell if she thinks you are...

Well, as Chase mentioned, a lot of guys in seduction will do whatever they can to pump their value, "I'm a CEO, earn a 6 digit income, drive a ferrari, live in a mansion, etc." Depending on how you come across, the girl may either really dig it, to the point where you get slotted into boyfriend land, or she may go into auto-rejection, if you're coming across as an insecure, pompous ass hole.

I think part of the way a girl will think you're high value is if you believe that you are high value yourself. If you subconsciously feel like you have a lot to offer someone, that'll be portrayed through your actions, how you look, etc. The thing is, it's fine if a girl finds out about your valuable traits/possessions etc., so as long as you only tell her if she asks, you don't reveal too much (baiting technique), and you MUST be humble about what you say and how you act. If you are humble, she'll feel like you are more attainable/relatable, and you'll have a better shot at bedding her. In fact, if you're going to pick the girl up and you have the choice of picking her up in a ferrari or a honda civic, you should opt for the civic every time, because then the girl will be MORE likely to sleep with you. Why? Well if you drive a ferrari or some luxury car, she's going to want to keep you around for longer, and won't want to risk quick intimacy on this 'amazing guy', so she won't sleep with you, and there will be more room for error and more wasted time on your part if you oblige to her desire to take things slowly. It might workout, as many guys do get girls without sleeping with them, but that's only if the girl is really attracted to them, and it's much safer/guaranteed to keep her around if you sleep with her and move faster.

How to know if a girl thinks that you are high value? Well the thing is, every girl is different; they all have different standards, different things they value, just like guys do. So one thing that's impressive to one girl, may not be impressive to another. For example, if you meet a really desirable, high class girl, you're going to want to show that you can match or slightly one up her in that regard, because a classy girl isn't going to want to be seen with a rude asshole (this is more for the older guys). Most girls want a guy who is slightly better than them at a certain skill, socializing, better looking, etc., or more vaguely, just in general.

I feel like your question is a bit difficult to answer, because you're wondering how to tell if you're high value to the girl? Well look at yourself and look at the average guy in your country. If you have more wealth, skills, 'intelligence', drive, ambition, or anything that sets you apart from the pack, then you're probably a high value person. So if you are a high value person, and you tell the girl about yourself, you want to 'dial down the value volume' as Chase says in his post, 'https://www.girlschase.com/content/dialing-down-value-volume'

A good example is if you worked for playboy, you could say, "I've written a few articles for Playboy, believe it or not. But I don't think anyone ever reads them, there are far too many distractions in that magazine." It's a self-deprecating remark, so you're essentially bringing yourself back down to Earth to a level where she can perhaps relate.

I don't know if I answered your question, but perhaps you can benefit from what I've said

Garrett

 

[Zeke]

Hey Garrett, thanks for the reply - it helps somewhat. What I'm trying to get at is her reaction to you, so I can time compliments perfectly.

Sure, I can certainly pick her up in a basic sedan, almost lock up like Fort Knox when it comes to talking about myself, etc. I understand that high value means different things to different women but there are always universal signs when women want to show you they think you're high value - and I'm looking for them. In my original post I think I have some idea - I just need someone to verify them for me.

 

[PinotNoir]

This is exactly what I was thinking when reading the blog post haha. If I remember correctly, Chase had some examples, but I'd have to re-read it.

I think it can fluctuate as well. One hour a girl may perceive you as a low value and then next high value.

I'm not 100% sure myself, but this is what I think based on experience:

When Girls See You as Low Value
- Texting a lot while with you, acting aloof in a superior way (as opposed to a shy/coy way)
- Indirectly or directly devaluing you (example: I was on a date last year and told a girl I hadn't dated a girl in a bit. She said, "Oh yeah, has it been a year?" It had been a couple of months, not a year, but she obviously perceived it as such.)
- Just being cold in general or a strict face
- Not trying a lot to impress you or engage in conversation, making you be the chaser ("Why would I chase him? He *should* be chasing me? He should be the one telling me about his life trying to find something impressive for me.")

When Girls See You as High Value
- Apologizing a lot or being very polite; not wanting to "scare" you off; she values your opinion of her (in fact, give a direct/indirect compliment and judge her reaction accordingly; indirect would be like "I love that hairstyle on women (in reference to her hairstyle)")
- Willing to do things with you, move with you, or adjust around your schedule easily
- Again, a specific facial look; this one is hard to explain. If you lock eyes with a girl that values you as either high or low, there is definitely a different look/feeling. If she sees you as high value, I guess it's more like puppy dog eyes or a longing and searching look. A girl that sees you as low value, just sees some guy trying to impress her or be with her. Eyes and facial expressions are big indicators
- As the opposite of the last point above, she will try to impress you; she will want to open herself up easily, etc.

Both types of women can go silent, but it depends on how they are acting. If she's silent and looking down or has a look of embarrassment or "oh no, I'm screwing this up," then she sees you as high value. If she's silent and just staring at you and waiting for a response or looking around and over your head, she sees you as low value.

 

[Zeke]

Thanks a million PinotNoir!

I've been messaging a girl back and forth on match.com and from the tone of the email she's hinting at me to ask her out - I already made my move so now it's on her whether she wants to go out this week - I just need a refresher so I'm not second-guessing myself.

We've been going back and forth for 5 days now - it's longer than what Chase is suggesting, but hey, there's always exceptions to the rule - so we'll see how it goes.

 

[aliparpar]

Oh made some mistakes on the part value part when complimenting. As I remember, I've complimented a girl indirectly when she was valuing me less I guess which didn't make her flatter or react in any way. That was the girl I dropped sooner. IMO even sexual compliments wouldn't work so I would just go for bringing my value up in her view and then trying to go for compliment if the situation happens again. And, yes the timing is really important. Usually, when the conversation gets a bit personal, that's when you should compliment her to make her remember that moment with you.

If you want success with women, you need to make sure they remember the moments they've spent with you and make them feel special. Otherwise, they wouldn't even give you a second date and would make excuses.

 

[PinotNoir]

Hmmm, I just read this post today.

Be careful, a girl may be "mean" to you because she's horny, and you're not moving fast enough. I was thinking back on some of my interactions, and that could have been the case. I'm not sure if "mean = sees you as lower value." She could see you as lower value and be horny -- or some other combination.

If you're getting the mean vibe, I say try giving a direct compliment -- per the original article being discussed -- and escalate physically touching -- per this new information. Either way, moving fast is always the answer. I really need to do that more, even if it feels awkward (which normally it does because not used to it).

If you get a date with this girl from match.com, move fast. I've never tried match.com or eharmony.com, although I've really been considering it after a few more months of trying to meet women outside of websites. My buddies tell me that match.com generally has women that want to move faster, while eharmony usually has women that move slower and want a traditional boyfriend.

After meeting her in person, it'd be great to hear about your experiences with high/low value. Best of luck man! Make your bed