Best vs worse logisitcs

[Rain]

With regards to logisitcs, is the below order correct?

-Best- in a house/dwelling that has no adjoining walls and just you there
-Best could maybe include a hotel/motel room but that might be expensive
-Second- in a flat/unit etc has adjoining walls but depending how many rooms, but even with adjoining walls its better than a share house, just you there
-Third- in a sharehouse but have own room. A risk of any interference/interruption because of other people.
-Fourth- sharing an actual room. Lots more difficult.

I guess if you owned a large vehicle you could go for a drive to a quiet road with hardly any houses and thats a possibility, not sure where that ranks in the order if that's an idea as well.

Another question, if you are in a share house, the less roommates/fellow tenants the better?

Is it better to have female or male roommates? Quick thought that men might be less judgemental if you bring a woman home if they see you and her?

 

[Police dog]

What is the point of this question? Are you building some logistics leader board?
The more privacy you have the better, the nicer the place the better, the less time it takes to get there the better.

 

[Police dog]

Is it better to have female or male roommates? Quick thought that men might be less judgemental if you bring a woman home if they see you and her?

Since when men are judgmental about having a girl in their house? Why would you live with a girl who is not in any sexual relationship with you? I have very limited experience about living with roommates because I absolutely hate it, but when I just graduated from HS me and my friend rented a small 1 bdr condo, and mind it was not in the US, so 1 bdr is just 1 room and a kitchen, rule was very simple - whoever brings the girl
gets to sleep in the room.

 

[Rain]

What is the point of this question? Are you building some logistics leader board?
The more privacy you have the better, the nicer the place the better, the less time it takes to get there the better.

If I recall correctly, for example, @Beam and @Teevster are in share houses, and have lay reports. I wondered if they'd noticed it was lots harder compared to living alone, if they'd ever lived alone of course, maybe they haven't. Of course Teevster is also quite experienced at seducing so that would play a role as well.

I also recall an article on the website ... something about a woman thinking after sex "I wonder if the flatmates heard that" but it wasn't necessarily a bad thing? I'd need to find the article to be sure though.

Since when men are judgmental about having a girl in their house? Why would you live with a girl who is not in any sexual relationship with you?

Some men might be religious/culture just think its not good to bring a woman home. Maybe you've answered the male housemate vs female housemate question for me, ie if men are less judgemental on average, maybe its better to have a male flatmate(s).

By roommate I meant for example, she has her room, I have my room, but its still a sharehouse, not in the same room. There's share houses where its a man in one room, and a woman in the other room, etc.

 

[Teevster]

If I recall correctly, for example, @Beam and @Teevster are in share houses

I currently live alone in my own flat (been doing that since mid 2016!).

Back in the days I lived with my parents so I basically just pulled girls to their place own place (the girl's place) or got creative with logistics. Did this up till 2016 (started in late 2007). It wasn't an issue in most cases. I didn't start pulling that much more once I got my own place.

I am 31, so pretty normal that I live alone at this point.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

-Best could maybe include a hotel/motel room but that might be expensive

This is bad logistics and I would rank it third.

1. Expensive
2. Triggers tons of ASD and other weird vibes in the girl.
3. And the worst... the receptionist loves cockblocking, like denying guests after a certain hour, or if you haven't booked the hotel yet, they will simply say they are full. I have tried this numerous times in multiple countries. It simply does not work out well.

I only got 3 lays in a hotel room that wasn't a hotel room I had prebooked (when on holiday). In most cases I had to befriend and bribe the receptionist (mostly in corrupt countries).

How does that make for good logistics?

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

What is the point of this question? Are you building some logistics leader board?
The more privacy you have the better, the nicer the place the better, the less time it takes to get there the better.

Based on what do you claim this (the nicer the place the better)?

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

This is bad logistics and I would rank it third.

1. Expensive
2. Triggers tons of ASD and other weird vibes in the girl.
3. And the worst... the receptionist loves cockblocking, like denying guests after a certain hour, or if you haven't booked the hotel yet, they will simply say they are full. I have tried this numerous times in multiple countries. It simply does not work out well.

I only got 3 lays in a hotel room that wasn't a hotel room I had prebooked (when on holiday). In most cases I had to befriend and bribe the receptionist (mostly in corrupt countries).

How does that make for good logistics?

-Teevster

Geograpical in nature usa has drive in motels, and hourly rates min 2 hours....i just say way right here i need to talk to my dad or mom depending on attendant pay, and they give you key takes 5 min. Hotels is like you say more complex and expensive....

 

[Skills]

With regards to logisitcs, is the below order correct?

-Best- in a house/dwelling that has no adjoining walls and just you there
-Best could maybe include a hotel/motel room but that might be expensive
-Second- in a flat/unit etc has adjoining walls but depending how many rooms, but even with adjoining walls its better than a share house, just you there
-Third- in a sharehouse but have own room. A risk of any interference/interruption because of other people.
-Fourth- sharing an actual room. Lots more difficult.

I guess if you owned a large vehicle you could go for a drive to a quiet road with hardly any houses and thats a possibility, not sure where that ranks in the order if that's an idea as well.

Another question, if you are in a share house, the less roommates/fellow tenants the better?

Is it better to have female or male roommates? Quick thought that men might be less judgemental if you bring a woman home if they see you and her?

^ you are too much speculating falling a bit into mental masturbation... some milfs or older dont like roomates, due to walk of shame, and hotel expensive i encouage you to watch my video:

 

[Teevster]

Geograpical in nature usa has drive in motels, and hourly rates min 2 hours....i just say way right here i need to talk to my dad or mom depending on attendant pay, and they give you key takes 5 min. Hotels is like you say more complex and expensive....

I am referring to hotels, not (drive in) motels.

Those type of motels you refer to (drive in) don't really exist in European cities (people also don't take the car to go out clubbing - they usually take public transport).

Even the less fancy hotels here forces you to pass by the receptionist to get to your room, making them a pain in the ass.

-Teevster

 

[Police dog]

Based on what do you claim this (the nicer the place the better)?

-Teevster

Common sense? I am sure some girls like exotic stuff but basement with cockroaches requires very specific preferences…

 

[Skills]

Common sense? I am sure some girls like exotic stuff but basement with cockroaches requires very specific preferences…

This is no necesarely true a cool mansion may put you into bf zone delay lay

 

[Teevster]

Common sense? I am sure some girls like exotic stuff but basement with cockroaches requires very specific preferences…

No it is not common sense. In fact, having a nice flat will increase the chances of facing resistance and especially LMR - or may delay the sexual escalation, as she sees you as a potential providers rather than a lover.

I always had an easier time when I lived in an old roughed up flat, compared to the "palace" I live in now (I have a good deal with a rich guy... I rent a huge nice flat cheaply).

This is no necesarely true a cool mansion may put you into bf zone delay lay

What he said.

(Read up on the lover VS provider theory).

Now, mentioning cockroaches etc is a strawman. If you have those, you should get rid of it (call pest control). If your flat is dirty, you should be clean up. I agree that having a clean flat is a must, but clean flat is not the same as a "nice" flat.

-Teevster

 

[Police dog]

No it is not common sense. In fact, having a nice flat will increase the chances of facing resistance and especially LMR - or may delay the sexual escalation, as she sees you as a potential providers rather than a lover.

I always had an easier time when I lived in an old roughed up flat, compared to the "palace" I live in now (I have a good deal with a rich guy... I rent a huge nice flat cheaply).



What he said.

(Read up on the lover VS provider theory).

Now, mentioning cockroaches etc is a strawman. If you have those, you should get rid of it (call pest control). If your flat is dirty, you should be clean up. I agree that having a clean flat is a must, but clean flat is not the same as a "nice" flat.

-Teevster

Well, I been in a mansion only as a tourist, so not gonna argue. But I would still go with nicer place over some dirty place in a bad area, ESPECIALLY, if we are talking about beginners.

 

[Police dog]

By roommate I meant for example, she has her room, I have my room, but its still a sharehouse, not in the same room. There's share houses where it’s a man in one room, and a woman in the other room, etc.

I keep forgetting American meaning of roommate, my bad

 

[Teevster]

Well, I been in a mansion only as a tourist, so not gonna argue. But I would still go with nicer place over some dirty place in a bad area, ESPECIALLY, if we are talking about beginners.

I agree that a shady area is a bad deal. Location is important. Safe location is a big bonus (the opposite is minus points) and I would also add that central flat OR a place near clubs is ideal (some places, the clubs are not in the most central area... like in Paris).

-Teevster

 

[Beam]

If I recall correctly, for example, @Beam and @Teevster are in share houses, and have lay reports. I wondered if they'd noticed it was lots harder compared to living alone, if they'd ever lived alone of course, maybe they haven't. Of course Teevster is also quite experienced at seducing so that would play a role as well.

Oops, bringing this back from the dead since I didn't respond with my input. I've lived in sharehouses the last 7 years after moving out of the folks. It's really not a big deal for most girls. Some will make a comment like "will your housemates hear?" but that's the extent of it. There are some extremes (ex wouldn't come over to mine and I slept at hers for like 2 months before she came to mine for the first time because I had housemates. She only lived 5 minutes away so it wasn't a big deal to me). My housemate Gold depending on the girl will either put a movie on or play music to drown out the sound (sometimes quite annoying when it's late). Other times the girls don't care at all and I hear everything.

It does get kind of annoying if you want to do other things with a girl (like cook, make cocktails or watch a movie) and the housemates are around preventing privacy and making it harder to escalate in those areas. But then, if a girl is highly attracted you could just use this as an excuse to isolate (let's find somewhere a little quieter ie. your room)

Regarding male vs female roommates, I have no idea. I've lived with all girls and all guys and everything in between. Maybe girls are more comfortable coming back if you have just female housemates but I can't say for sure. It really hasn't ever prevented me bringing back any girls besides ex no matter who the housemates were.

I used to use a gambit about hearing my housemates having sex in order to start talking about sex this was a housemate I was meh about not a mate). I prized myself by saying how they'd have sex at the same time once a week and it always sounded the same and how lame it was. In retrospect maybe not the best idea (it was still dogging my housemate and also, it told the girl that yes, if she came back to the house, the housemates would be able to hear everything which is not something I would want her to know). Still, memory is fuzzy since this was years ago but using this gambit I still had success bringing girls home.

 

[SmooothOperator]

I currently live alone in my own flat (been doing that since mid 2016!).

Back in the days I lived with my parents so I basically just pulled girls to their place own place (the girl's place) or got creative with logistics. Did this up till 2016 (started in late 2007). It wasn't an issue in most cases. I didn't start pulling that much more once I got my own place.

I am 31, so pretty normal that I live alone at this point.

-Teevster

Part of me feels bad for bringing you back to this post but the other part acknowledges that you may just be the most competent person in the subject of pulling to the girls house.

How do you aska girl to her house? I know this seems like a simplistic qn but i dont feel its that straightforward. In my mind its a lot easier to invite someone to your house than to try and set up a situation where they invite you to theirs

A big part of pulling is seeding the pull. Sprinkling little reasons throught the conversation that give Plausible deniuability. The only thing I can think of in this aspect is deep diving the girl and fidhingfor something about her place that yod like to go back and "check out"

As you look back on your days, what worked for you ? how did you set up the pull so it was smooth and not a "needy/begging" frame? What things do yo need to consider if yor plling too her house vs yours?

Im currently in college but live w/my parents (cant be changed atm) and had almost given up on game cause what the point if you cant pull. Any other tips you got I'm all ears.

Thank you Teevester

 

[Teevster]

@smoothoperator,

I have written plenty on the subject:

First solution is pulling back to her place. This involves screening for logistics early on. I discuss this in that post, but Chase also dedicated his own post to it. He also wrote a post on his take on going back to girl's place.

A big part of pulling is seeding the pull. Sprinkling little reasons throught the conversation that give Plausible deniuability. The only thing I can think of in this aspect is deep diving the girl and fidhingfor something about her place that yod like to go back and "check out"

Just have an excuse for why you can't back to yours ready. You also cannot seed the pulls that easily because you have little control over the logistics. I personally have no used that technique much when going back to girl's place. You can however easily use plausible deniabilities - usually if you are having an interesting conversation, you can stop it there and suggest continuing this elsewhere.

It is true that it is a bit harder to pick up without logistics than with, but good game easily compensates for it. I think logistics are overrated and those who use logistics as an excuse to not getting laid, usually have other game-related problems - not logistics.

Because truth is, you can always screen for logistics and go for another girl. And also in many cases, if she likes you enough, she will help you solve the issue. But that's easier said than done - I wouldn't rely on it. However, you can easily screen for logistics... if they seem bad, just move to the next girl. The sad part is that you will have to dump many good potential leads, but there should be enough girls, and it will force you to better your meet-to-lay ratio - or at least your overall hook-rate.

You also have other options:
- Public sex - at your own risk and requires its own type of game-plan.
- After-parties - don't you have any cool friends who have logistics?

FYI - picking up without logistics seems easier in night game than daygame. At least that is my experience. It seems women are more at ease bringing a stranger back home at night than during the daytime. Maybe it is a limiting belief, but when I was learning back in the 2000's and 2010's, then that was my experience.

I picked up women between 2007 and 2016 without logistics (aside from when i was travelling or my parents were away). In the last years I was getting 2-4 new lays a month (going out mostly in the week end - also this is an average, including results during a Scandinavian winter - where night game is terrible). Sure I lost a few potential leads due to logistics, but at the end of the day, it wasn't that many.

(PS at the current time, I am back living with my mum for a month or two...)

-Teevster