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Kvothe

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As @Bismarck told me, it's summertime and that means the ladies are looking for bratwurst.



I've been trying to get back into game from multiple avenues. I've increased the amount of outings by doing daygame during the week, and restarting my nights out as well. The last week especially, I've felt my sexual vibe come back. It's not where it was, but it will be soon-and soon it will get even greater.



I decided to go out to a social circle event yesterday, mostly for change of pace, and because I figured I could always ditch the social circle and use it to warm up if nothing interesting was out. Plus I thought it would be fun to hang out with friends. At the pre-game, I was feeling a lot of sensory overload. I actually have a harder time avoiding sensory overload when with friends than I do at a bar where I know nobody. I think this is because it's easier to filter out information when it's not relevant to you, but for social, all conversations feel relevant to me. In this way, alcohol actually helped me by improving my ability to filter out information. After a few drinks, I started to vibe more and became more social.

I introduced myself to two roommates while playing a drinking game, and made some jokes and had some fun with them, and then switched up talking to other potential targets that I found cute. Worked to improve deep diving, and to ask questions in a more challenging manner. The difference between "what do you do", and "who are you" in terms of the vibe of the question. I have a hard time remembering the exact way I would scope and focus the questions, but it's something I've been doing more recently, and I will try to capture it more concretely so I can write it down more explicitly. But the effect is that girls are hooking much better.

Anyway, we switch to the actual event venue. I see a girl whose number I had gotten a while ago, who never responded to my texts. I eventually end up in a conversation with her and her friend. I realize now that she's definitely a pretty princess/bratty. Her and her friend are big testers, and I can't really deal with that, but talking with them, and having them laughing at my jokes and engaging strongly with me, plus hooking was great practice. One thing I remember was this:

Me: I love improv comedy, I've been trying to get into it more recently
Them: Ooh, show us now
Me: <Pause> Ok, but first buy me a drink, and then I'll show you <said with a smirk>
Them: You should buy us a drink, that way we'll be more likely to laugh
So initial comment from me was good, and I kind of ignored the second comment. Not the best way to pass the test. I'll need to think more on how to deal with sequential tests like this. Something tells me that tests and dealing with tests is going to be the next step that leads to big improvements in my game and consistency.



I leave the set above on a relative high note. (Aside: I had assumed familiarity and took the girls sunglass from her face and put it on my own-this led to a whole bunch of other frame grabs from the girls, which I was not equipped to deal with. But when I went to get the drink, I went to take the girls sunglasses with me-they were very cheap prop glasses-and planned to use it as an excuse to talk to them later. Reflecting on this, I think it was creepy, and not the right move. I should have verbalized and told them I'd return it, or just given it back).

I get my drink and talk with my friends. And then I end up in a conversation with the girls from the beginning of the story. I somehow realign the group, so now I've gotten one girl talking with me and two guys, and the girls roommate talking with someone else. I then build up some rapport, and more physically qualify (I don't explicitly say that I like what she's said, I just become more physically intense and interested in what she's saying-giving attention basically), and then I just pull her elbow, while putting my back against a wall. Boom-isolated and locked in just the two of us. I do some more deep diving, and also start to sexualize the conversation. I mostly use contrasting and she eats it up. Within like 15 minutes, I feel she's ready for the pull. It's almost 1:30AM by this point, so it's socially acceptable to leave the party. I seed a pull talking about some wine I have at home, and her response leads me to more soft close leaving and trying the wine. She responds positively again, so I explicitly tell her that we should go, and grab wine.

I tell her we'll just Irish exit, but since we run into the host, we both say bye to her (though I'm not sure anyone actually noticed me and the girl leaving together).

We end up back at my apartment. Given the girl's cultural background, that we've been drinking, and that this is social circle, I'm wary of the pull being too fast, and leaving the girl with sex regret that could affect my reputation. So I have her pour us the wine, then go use the bathroom. I come out, and make some small comments before kissing her. Then I sit us down and talk for 15-30 minutes in my apartment. I go much deeper into sex talk and set a bunch of anti-ASD frames and anti-FSC frames. I also make sure to explicitly imply that I'm a person who loves sex, who loves being single, who will make her feel comfortable, respected, and feminine. I spend the time doing this because I really don't want to deal with LMR. I also don't really want to have more than one time sex with this girl (not sure if I want that with any girl right now tbh). So I spend the extra time building those frames for prevention. Maybe it was overkill, but the results speak for themselves.

The girl gives me no LMR, is extremely enthusiastic during sex, and has an amazing time. Post-coitus, I actually do a lot of sex talk gambits on her, because I want to hear what she actually thinks about them. It was a fascinating discussion. I also think I do a good job making her feel warm and appreciated, while at the same time being very clear that this was a one-time thing.

Eventually, I call her an Uber home, she reaches, and I send my usual post-lay text. Got a warm response back.



In some ways, this was definitely a freebie. The girl was interested, and I could tell based on how she looked at me at the very beginning of the night. She wasn't the most attractive girl at the party (but she was cute enough), and so I didn't give as much focus to her while I surveyed the other options and tried to find other options. While I failed at that, I think it worked out well, and getting a lay is certainly nothing to complain about.

In other ways, I'm really proud of how I behaved and displayed myself. I built social proof by having good conversations and vibing with different groups of girls, effortlessly isolated and preventatively dealt with any resistance, and most importantly, set the frames I wanted with this girl in a way that was mutually beneficial to both of us. I felt in control, and so there was no nervousness on my part in terms of moving the interaction from hook -> bed.
 

Chase

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Happy to see you rebuilding that vibe and momentum, @Kvothe.

You've got the right approach... day game, night game, social circle, just as much varied exposure to different kind of approaches as possible and then something hits. Good job getting the lay here.

With the tester girls, you don't want to respond to a challenge with a challenge unless you're up for a back-and-forth test/challenge banter. The girl's in that mode, so you either need to deflect or be ready for the back-and-forth.

Deflecting looks just like this:

YOU: I love improv comedy, I've been trying to get into it more recently.​
THEM: Ooh, show us now!​
YOU: Maybe later if you're good.​

You can also deflect/defuse after you attempt to compliance test them and they test you back:

YOU: I love improv comedy, I've been trying to get into it more recently.​
THEM: Ooh, show us now!​
YOU: It's easier for me to perform after someone first buys me a drink.​
THEM: You should buy us drinks so we're more likely to laugh!​
YOU: Man, this crowd is tougher than I thought.​
THEM: [laughs]​

Another thing I would say is that just in general you don't want to bring up "buying drinks" around girls who are testing you, since it's such a kneejerk response for girls to say "Buy me a drink!" that if they're in that headspace they can just go right to that as soon as it's introduced. You don't really want to get into a frame battle on drinks...

Chase
 
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Kvothe

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Thanks for the advice Chase! Actually the first response did go through my head-but I thought it might be a bit too challenging/forward for social circle, so I opted for what I considered the less risky response. I'm not sure whether my assessment of that risk was correct, but just wanted to give my reasoning for it.

I like how you phrase the second though-telling them you'll do it if they buy you a drink without explicitly telling them to buy you a drink.
 

Swati

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Typical Westerner's behavior of the banter frame grab

I'm ok at dealing with them but most of the time if you engage it changes the position to them being the "buyer" They end up controlling the meta

I've seen 2 types of girl that does this, generalizing here

ugly girls who are just out there to be socially dominant because they can't get attention any other way, cannot have it frequently

or the uppity girl could be "pretty"

either one of these

unless in-state/ high momentum is easier to deal with... most of the time people tend to lose the frame, you need to nip it in the bud

"pay me"

or simply, look at them with half a second glance like you are annoyed, while you are on your way out of the interaction.
I usually choose the latter and if possible talk to another girl/s

I'd engage in the banter only if they are "pretty" cause it's fun... but not when they look rag doll uggos

(the drink thing ^Chase already bought it up)

The uppity behavior I believe is/ or can be turned into an interesting signal if you engage it correctly... cause they are hyper, etc... emotions are up /down, you can ride that momentum for free, move, move, move, since their emotion at pace then you lead with a bit of step up. The consistent uppity behavior, in the long run, is tiring tho.
 
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