Can someone please explain what (chase) framing and frame control is?

[Ryan]

I've gone through the articles and i still really don't get it, nor why it's so important, because everyone seems to be talking about it.

 

[PrettyDecent]

Ryan,

Two different subjects, but I'll try and help -

Chase Framing - This one was really hard to wrap my mind around for a while, and its admittedly a bit more advanced, both in thinking of one and knowing when to use it. The idea is that the words we speak (and the way we say them) influences other's thoughts and feelings. So if you say "Wow! You're really pretty! You must get hit on all the time!" and "Those charming eyes of yours don't fool me..." there's a huge difference in the girl's opinion of you after. Chase framing is used to get her thinking that she's chasing you, instead of you chasing her (which is way more fun for the girl, anyways). Subtle frames like that make HUGE changes in interactions, and you can feel it as your social intuition becomes sharper.

Frame Control - Used when a girl is challenging your statement. If you let her win the argument, her opinion of you lowers. Here's a quote from Chase's e-book:

Your concern involves the kind you’ll encounter between a man and a woman:
• A woman wants to joke around with a man, but the man would rather get to know her.

• A woman seeks a male friend, but the man wants to get intimate with her.

• A woman wants to go home and head to sleep, but the man wants her to come home with him.

Such instances are referred to as “meetings of frames”  when two people with different ideas meet each other’s ideas. In a typical meeting of frames, one person’s ideas will supersede the other’s opinion.

Common situations where Frame Control needs to be used to succeed in a seduction. It's also incredibly important if you have issues with LMR. There are a few methods to control frames:

• Qualifying, or submitting under pressure.
• Bristling under pressure and arguing.
• Challenging a woman back (playfully, ideally).
• Remaining calm and dismissing the comment.
• Responding with self-deprecation.
• Responding with an invitation.
• Answering matter-of-factly but with strong undertones.

The first two make you look weak, the rest are good and should be used often.

~Nick

 

[Marty]

Ryan: I admire you for being unafraid to ask the question. I wanted to know too.

Nick: thanks for your explanation. I didn't understand this before either.

So if you say "Wow! You're really pretty! You must get hit on all the time!" and "Those charming eyes of yours don't fool me..." there's a huge difference in the girl's opinion of you after.

Can you be explicit about this, please? What is the difference in opinion exactly?

 

[PrettyDecent]

Marty,

I did leave that blank, thanks for catching that, my friend. The difference in opinion in PUA terms is that it makes your attainability lower, and therefore your value higher. It also shows you are witty (biologically attractive because it shows your intelligence) and probably preselected (you must have girls usually chasing you).

But what she's consciously thinking depends on your perceived value compared to hers. If she perceives you as lower in value than herself she thinks "Hmm..maybe I had the wrong idea about this guy." and she sees you as a challenge now (that you aren't supplicating to her). It lowers your attainability to where she has to try a little harder now -- and that's also more investment . On the contrary, if she already perceives herself as lower value than you, and you use a chase frame, you've just tanked any attainability she thought she had with you, and she's that much closer to auto-rejection.

Hope that clears it up

~Nick