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I had an interesting seduction interaction during the day that I wrote up a few weekes ago for the only girl I approached that say and it went a little bit off-track and chaotic, but in an interesting way that I thought some people here could learn from.
I wouldn’t normally write any of this here because so many of the girls I talk to are fairly standard predictable interactions and seductions with not much to learn.
I put down the difference for this girl being foreign, young (19) & abit unsure of herself and with me NOT starting the interaction by heavily stimulating her emotions from the start, as I normally would.
Lay Report
I was out Christmas shopping when I saw this girl walking with headphones on listening to music & singing - long dark wavy black hair, looked latin (she told me later she’s half white/half Nepalese) but had huge tits, wearing a quarter top, no bra with her tits literally bouncing out underneath her top and a jean skirt. I was mesmerised by the look so I got to it.
She was singing with her headphones on when I got in front of her. I talked to her like she didn’t have the headphones on and she took them off immediately and was flustered.
I started the conversation with talking about her clothes & making fun of what she was singing and talked about the 90’s and the song she was singing.
I asked and she told me her age (19) and I said that was abit young for me normally, that I normally go for 20-25 year olds (disqualifier and challenge).
Then SHE brought up connection and she was about to turn 20 (qualifying herself) - then I started steamrolling her with emotional stimulation from there.
She then invited me me to walk with her after I talked about connection and how it’s amazing how when you travel you can feel so connected to people, no matter what age, etc.
She qualifies herself saying that she knows plenty of people with a 10 year age gap.
She mentions that she goes to Uni locally and I tell her I graduated from the same uni (she was trying to flex here but I countered it so she dropped this topic immediately, which I found strange. Maybe she doesn’t go to my old uni).
Meanwhile, we’re on our way walking back to her apartment building. I make fun of her for taking me on a romantic walk but her walking so quickly while doing it which was “really subtracting from the romance that she’s providing” - then riff on the feelings of the view over the city. She laughs then listens to take in what I’m saying.
She relates an emotion I mentioned back to a tattoo she has hidden under her tiny top which she lifts up to show me (great transition from her, cresit here).
She starts talking about her small tattoos & showing all of them to me, one by one, as we’re walking and explaining what they all mean (I’m listening to take in the values and emotion words she uses). I then talk about how addictive it can be to get tattoos, according to my female friends, then describe how they told me addiction to tattoos feels, then link it back to me.
I then tell her this (hot) scandinavian girl walking past us looked her up & down jealously to segue out of this tattoo chat, because I knew it could go on for ages.
She was surprised, and asked me how this girl looked at her. I imitated the hot girl. I told her I knew why she did it. She says, “Oh really, why?”
I say,
“ . . . . because you’re with ME (and laugh). She was thinking, I WANT to be with this hunk” and she laughs more but doesn’t object to the frame. Subtle prizing frame here + pre-selection).
She snorts and slaps me on the shoulder nervously with a side-look.
I’m doing alot of self-amusement here, which upon reflection, may have been overwhelming my own value to her - and she was feeling somewhat like I was abit too unobtainable, despite being this very attractive young massive chested lass.
She asks me to walk her all the way home (this was unusual because she hadn’t given me many signals at this point, other than laughing at my jokes). I couldn’t see the dilated pupils because her eyes were dark.
She then drops a challenge/disqualifier on me when she says; “all of this is for nothing” because she’s leaving to “fly back home overseas tomorrow” (this was a weird shit test that turned out to be a lie that she didn’t walk back later. I kept bringing it up and she kept changing the topic to avoid being truthful).
Then she asks if I’m married and she tells me she’s been cheated on before. I tell her that I’m seeing a few girls but not married - I accused her of not checking my hands for a ring. I knew she casually checked my hands earlier and I put the challenge back on her - “if you didn’t check my hands, that’s your problem.”
She then qualified why she asked about me being married by saying she’d been cheated on before with her own female friends poaching her boyfriends.
(Deciding to pivot this downer topic for my own frame and self-amusement) I told her that it was a genuine problem when I had girlfriends that their friends were ALL suddenly trying to have sex with me and how aggressively these girls come onto you - then linked this to me again.
Made a few jokes about this, said it was always the girls you didn’t expect, girls like THAT guy (me) not a guy like me, when it comes to their friends, etc. , added some emotional content about girls feeling jealousy of their friends, then changed the topic because I sensed her getting dark on this subject, so I figured this was a genuine sore point so I backed off. If I pushed this frame further, it may bring up some confronting emotions, so I dropped the topic and let it go silent.
Then she told me she was dating a guy (again, as a shit test).
I challenged her abit on this guy (because women always lie about this to DHV themselves and not look like a ‘lonely boyfriendless loser’, so to speak) and she admitted he was a friend but she really liked him.
With more self-amusing challenging from me, I found out it was actually a situationship and she said he apparently had admitted he loved her yesterday (the day before I met her coincidently) and how great it was to finally hear that (weird flex from her with a DHV + Shit-test 2-for-1, but I made fun of it).
So she was getting fucked by a friend that wasn’t that keen on her - no wonder she wanted to say he was a “boyfriend” to me rather than being honest to start with.
Then to prove it was “more than a friendship”, she shows me videos of her with him saying how much they look like a couple.
After watching the videos with her while we’re talling, I teased her saying he looked like a “younger, less attractive, homeless-looking skinny, no gym, stoner version of me”.
Then I concluded with, “You really have a type” with a laugh (more self-amusement ahd she was trying not to laugh here - attaching some of those feeings to me and she agreed with the frame. Just LOL.
I tease her further for my own fun, telling her that,
“I can clearly see from the video (of him not touching or looking at you) that he clearly wants to marry you” just to play with her more she says “that would be great”, starry-eyed but playing along with me.
So again, I link those feelings to me while she then stops to take a drink of water at a fountain (it was so hot that evening).
After the water, she moves straight to telling me this hypothetical about how much attention she gets in her dm’s (another attempted dhv from her that I make fun of): how this guy in the situationship she talked about she promised she wouldn’t respond to any of the dm’s.
Again purely amusing myself at this point mixed with prizing, I tell her it’s a problem for me because Insta gave me a warning that my inbox was taking up too much space on their servers and I needed to stop getting sooo many dm’s without responding to them lol. “I told Insta I don’t have time, it would be a full-time job”. I say this completely deadpanned.
She doesn’t get the joke or was just too focused on dhv’ing herself and how her dhv attempts and frames weren’t working on me and getting me to chase her.
(Another DHV from her) She tells me that she gets so much attention from guys online and her dm’s are crazy.
She says a few guys have dated her and found her crazy and they didn’t want to be with her or even seen with her due to some of her mental health issues. I said, “just mental health issues? Not including all the other shit?” Jokingly and she slapped my arm smiling.
She asserts that she really does have OCD.
I lightly challenge her by doubtfully looking her up and down saying, “you really don’t seem like type”.
She assures me she is. I challenge her again with abit more humour and say, “well where IS this OCD certificate from a doctor, I want to see it before I believe it.” Like I’m the boss checking her doctors note lol.
She pauses looking at me and then admits that she hasn’t actually been diagnosed with OCD officially.
I think to myself - this is some nonsense. This chick tried to test+disqualify herself with OCD? That’s new to me - usually it’s anxiety or ADHD.
What she was REALLY doing was setting some frames for her to be able to do more challenging while being able to blame the reason for the aggressive challenging on a purely fictional medical diagnosis.
So I followed with dismissing this nonsense frame with, “then you don’t have OCD - no doctors certificate, no condition. That’s how it works here in Australia”. (I was saying this in a charming comedic way but I really wanted to destroy this frame otherwise it would give her carte blanche to act like a chaotic flighty challenge and blame this bogus diagnosis).
She goes on (DHV’ing/qualifying); this one particular guy kept dm’ing her on insta and he sent screenshots of their messages back & forth to her situationship guy (I think she liked this Insta guy but wanted to keep it secret from situationship) and she was mortified when online guy sent these message screenshots to her situationship.
So she promised situationship guy she wouldn’t do that with any guy again (this is a very subtle qualifier to me here, I’ve heard this one before. Ps. Young women are getting really sly with qualifying themselves now).
Here she’s ALSO setting a frame that if a guy doesn’t commit to her, it’s a subtle threat she’ll start answering the dm’s of all the guys messaging her (like a weird Dread game type strategy) but she was setting another frame at the same time: a ‘hint hint’ to me - “keep whatever we do discrete until it’s something real because I’m going to fuck you soon, I can’t help myself”. Lol, this was the LEAST subtle frame she set here.
The “better-commit-to-me-eventually-Or-I’ve-got-heaps-of-other-options Frame is tired but classic frame though.
It was good that she was setting discrete frame though, it was helpful to me and told me she was essentially wanting me to go further with her and she was very interested but wanted to get that frame out of the way to make herself feel more comfortable with having sex with me very soon. The vague threat about non-commitment was unattractive though.
(Another DHV/qualifier) She then tells me “she’s usually simped over by sooo many guys” (her exact words) and she’s so used to it now. But this situationship guy, she’s the Simp-er.
I make a joke that she’s the simpee, and riff on it with some previous emotions ahe mentioned and anchoriny myself in that position to her simping over me and then having fun saying I know how it feels when people do that, it’s a problem (simping)
She says she’s simping hard for this situationship and it’s so far outside the normal behaviour for her (more jealousy frame from her aimed at me - weird quasi-DHV from her).
I didn’t add anything to this and let the tension hang here and she then moves on by saying that this place we’re in now (the park bar area) reminds her of the situationship and she’s had alot of romance here in this setting overlooking the water.
I use emptional language to describe where we are and use some of the value words she told me about her situationship here to then link them to me.
I press her abit more for emotions from situationship but she doesn’t give me many more so I offer more from my own experiences and she agrees and I keep linking them to me.
(This is where you don’t ask questions - she doesn’t even KNOW how she feels about this other dude so I offer my own feelings. IF I tried pumping her for more and more feelings she hasn’t even thought about or is even aware of, she just would think I was acting weird).
At this point, I think she was (very passively) hinting that she wanted me to escalate on her but it was really awkward in public where we were (this is why you never let girls lead) and I knew once I escalated in that location, it would he hard to go very far because there was some groups of friends, and a few families and children nearby (within eyesight, not earshot).
At this point she leaning against this garden bed and gets out her phone & starts fiddling with it saying she, “doesn’t have data, oh, here it is” (I thought: here what is?) with the phone in her hand looking at me expectantly with the blank contact page of her phone (oh, she’s leading me to give me her number because I wouldn’t take the lead and feel her up in public lol).
She told me the building where she lived so I lead her towards it (I’ve been in that building before) without saying anything and she just follows.
When we within eyesight, I feel her hesitation from the earlier passive contaxt screen being held out for me earlier so I test her and say, “Na, I think I’ll just go ” (and leave her go up to her apartment).
She says, “How will you get home though?” (after we just walked for 30 mins) This is her subtley battling my objection to going to her house or leading her towards sex. She wants me to stay with her longer but can’t say this directly because she’s too passive.
She says I can get the train right next door to her building and there’s a bus service out front of her building I can use after she asks me where I live (she’s trying to sort my logistics for me - in case I object further to not fucking her for logistics purposes) She’s being SOO passive here - she can’t ask me up to her apartment without looking sluttly.
I act confused like I didn’t know there were any trains or buses nearby while letting her sit in the tension. Then I add some tension and challenge by saying, “Hmm, you can walk me there and wait with me.” She agrees, lighting up.
So we walk further towards her apartment building and I stop her across the road from it (also from the train station next door) as she waits expectantly just looking at me silently and hopefully.
So I take her hand and hit her HARD with most of the values, emotions and the anchors I set earlier with the words she used.
Then I put her arms around my neck and kiss her briefly, then kiss her neck, then back up to a deeper kiss where I palm her ass. Then FINALLY, reach under her flimsy top and palm those massive tits, they practically fell out of the bottom of this flimsy top with no bra, such a large chest against her slim body, bless her heart.
I stop and say, “hey, I need to charge my phone before I go home” (this is a perfect plausably deniable excuse to go to her apartment without her feeling slutty or with any expectations on my end) and she say sure and welcomes me up.
We go up the elevator of her building and I grab her hand and make some slow sensual descriptions of the ambience earlier and now and she leads me to her apartment.
We get inside and it’s all over (phone charging forgotten) and I push her hips and she’s against the wall, make-out for awhile.
I ask where her bedroom is and she shows me. I push her onto the bed with a firm nudge and make out, then shirt off, fingering, then sex (without any objections).
What was the main re-enforcements here?:
1. Ladies are chaotic and change their minds like crazy, especially when they weren’t absolutely sold on you right at the start (would have been better if I used emotional language immediately, I waited abit too long there)
2. Women will DHV the shit out of the interaction but do it in subtle weird awkward ways that aren’t charming at all. I’m used to this though, but this girl took it to another level considering how short the overall interaction was (about 35 mins)
3. Always Have fun and NEVER take women seriously. Amuse yourself while not taking her seriously, she’s like a muse to joke about but don’t be mean-spirited. Sometimes you do stumble across sore topics, segue to something else.
4. Women will try to frame away their future poor behaviour with nonsense so she can blame her fake “condition” on why she’s being a challenge and it wasn’t her responsibility - it’s a medical issue. A 19 year old is pulling this! I’ve had other women tell me they have ADHD or anxiety or ptsd (more rare) and they admit later that they don’t have a diagnosis for it. It’s just to put blame elsewhere so they don’t seem unpleasant for their challenging or resistance. Have fun with it and ask for proof when they say it, they will normally cave in and admit they have none.
5. Women have very little interesting things to say, even if they are foreign and have done actual interesting things in their life (like this girl) - alot of women are socially unskilled and the bulk of what she said to me was frames, dhv-ing or qualifying herself. But I gave myself alot of laughs with it
6. When girls KNOW they’re extremely overwhelmed by you and likely won’t be able to resist having sex with you when you escalate - they try to cram as many frames in as possible before sex happens to make sure they are prepared for what happens after sex and then try to ensure you won’t dump her later by way of shoring up her dhvs & frames with you first. This is the result of the short time frame of the interaction> her unbelievable level of arousal that she likely hasn’t experienced before this and certainly not this quickly.
7. Women are SUPER passive - you really need to keep leading and making moves and they will give you the tiniest of hints. You find this out when you escalate and they tell you later how they were hinting to you intensely, as this girl did after sex.
8. If you go for girls abit below your league (or so they think) they will be doing ALOT of DHV’ing & testing you to see why you’re interested in them and it’s very low self-esteem. This girl was well above average looking slim 19 year old with mega large boobs and a nice face, so perhaps she thought she was below me. To be fair, I wouldn’t have approached her if she had a normal sized chest and a flat butt though.
When you approach really attractive women who know it - in my experience, they generally don’t pull so much such a large volume of DHV’s.
9. Women get very uncomfortable when you expose these raw emotions in them and bring them to the surface. They often don’t know how to handle it because it’s so rare for them and it can seem like they’re not taking those emotions in but it’s actually rocking them powerfully to the point of stress. So they do very odd things and behave abit chaotically or just shut down and passively listen. I’ve had this happen a few times now, so I understand the behaviour from her. She didn’t really know how to respond to my Prizing frames either - she just accepted them wholesale with no objections.
Anyway, it was a long and detailed one but I thought you might learn something from this. It started off abit rocky but the momentum began building in the 2nd half.
I wouldn’t normally write any of this here because so many of the girls I talk to are fairly standard predictable interactions and seductions with not much to learn.
I put down the difference for this girl being foreign, young (19) & abit unsure of herself and with me NOT starting the interaction by heavily stimulating her emotions from the start, as I normally would.
Lay Report
I was out Christmas shopping when I saw this girl walking with headphones on listening to music & singing - long dark wavy black hair, looked latin (she told me later she’s half white/half Nepalese) but had huge tits, wearing a quarter top, no bra with her tits literally bouncing out underneath her top and a jean skirt. I was mesmerised by the look so I got to it.
She was singing with her headphones on when I got in front of her. I talked to her like she didn’t have the headphones on and she took them off immediately and was flustered.
I started the conversation with talking about her clothes & making fun of what she was singing and talked about the 90’s and the song she was singing.
I asked and she told me her age (19) and I said that was abit young for me normally, that I normally go for 20-25 year olds (disqualifier and challenge).
Then SHE brought up connection and she was about to turn 20 (qualifying herself) - then I started steamrolling her with emotional stimulation from there.
She then invited me me to walk with her after I talked about connection and how it’s amazing how when you travel you can feel so connected to people, no matter what age, etc.
She qualifies herself saying that she knows plenty of people with a 10 year age gap.
She mentions that she goes to Uni locally and I tell her I graduated from the same uni (she was trying to flex here but I countered it so she dropped this topic immediately, which I found strange. Maybe she doesn’t go to my old uni).
Meanwhile, we’re on our way walking back to her apartment building. I make fun of her for taking me on a romantic walk but her walking so quickly while doing it which was “really subtracting from the romance that she’s providing” - then riff on the feelings of the view over the city. She laughs then listens to take in what I’m saying.
She relates an emotion I mentioned back to a tattoo she has hidden under her tiny top which she lifts up to show me (great transition from her, cresit here).
She starts talking about her small tattoos & showing all of them to me, one by one, as we’re walking and explaining what they all mean (I’m listening to take in the values and emotion words she uses). I then talk about how addictive it can be to get tattoos, according to my female friends, then describe how they told me addiction to tattoos feels, then link it back to me.
I then tell her this (hot) scandinavian girl walking past us looked her up & down jealously to segue out of this tattoo chat, because I knew it could go on for ages.
She was surprised, and asked me how this girl looked at her. I imitated the hot girl. I told her I knew why she did it. She says, “Oh really, why?”
I say,
“ . . . . because you’re with ME (and laugh). She was thinking, I WANT to be with this hunk” and she laughs more but doesn’t object to the frame. Subtle prizing frame here + pre-selection).
She snorts and slaps me on the shoulder nervously with a side-look.
I’m doing alot of self-amusement here, which upon reflection, may have been overwhelming my own value to her - and she was feeling somewhat like I was abit too unobtainable, despite being this very attractive young massive chested lass.
She asks me to walk her all the way home (this was unusual because she hadn’t given me many signals at this point, other than laughing at my jokes). I couldn’t see the dilated pupils because her eyes were dark.
She then drops a challenge/disqualifier on me when she says; “all of this is for nothing” because she’s leaving to “fly back home overseas tomorrow” (this was a weird shit test that turned out to be a lie that she didn’t walk back later. I kept bringing it up and she kept changing the topic to avoid being truthful).
Then she asks if I’m married and she tells me she’s been cheated on before. I tell her that I’m seeing a few girls but not married - I accused her of not checking my hands for a ring. I knew she casually checked my hands earlier and I put the challenge back on her - “if you didn’t check my hands, that’s your problem.”
She then qualified why she asked about me being married by saying she’d been cheated on before with her own female friends poaching her boyfriends.
(Deciding to pivot this downer topic for my own frame and self-amusement) I told her that it was a genuine problem when I had girlfriends that their friends were ALL suddenly trying to have sex with me and how aggressively these girls come onto you - then linked this to me again.
Made a few jokes about this, said it was always the girls you didn’t expect, girls like THAT guy (me) not a guy like me, when it comes to their friends, etc. , added some emotional content about girls feeling jealousy of their friends, then changed the topic because I sensed her getting dark on this subject, so I figured this was a genuine sore point so I backed off. If I pushed this frame further, it may bring up some confronting emotions, so I dropped the topic and let it go silent.
Then she told me she was dating a guy (again, as a shit test).
I challenged her abit on this guy (because women always lie about this to DHV themselves and not look like a ‘lonely boyfriendless loser’, so to speak) and she admitted he was a friend but she really liked him.
With more self-amusing challenging from me, I found out it was actually a situationship and she said he apparently had admitted he loved her yesterday (the day before I met her coincidently) and how great it was to finally hear that (weird flex from her with a DHV + Shit-test 2-for-1, but I made fun of it).
So she was getting fucked by a friend that wasn’t that keen on her - no wonder she wanted to say he was a “boyfriend” to me rather than being honest to start with.
Then to prove it was “more than a friendship”, she shows me videos of her with him saying how much they look like a couple.
After watching the videos with her while we’re talling, I teased her saying he looked like a “younger, less attractive, homeless-looking skinny, no gym, stoner version of me”.
Then I concluded with, “You really have a type” with a laugh (more self-amusement ahd she was trying not to laugh here - attaching some of those feeings to me and she agreed with the frame. Just LOL.
I tease her further for my own fun, telling her that,
“I can clearly see from the video (of him not touching or looking at you) that he clearly wants to marry you” just to play with her more she says “that would be great”, starry-eyed but playing along with me.
So again, I link those feelings to me while she then stops to take a drink of water at a fountain (it was so hot that evening).
After the water, she moves straight to telling me this hypothetical about how much attention she gets in her dm’s (another attempted dhv from her that I make fun of): how this guy in the situationship she talked about she promised she wouldn’t respond to any of the dm’s.
Again purely amusing myself at this point mixed with prizing, I tell her it’s a problem for me because Insta gave me a warning that my inbox was taking up too much space on their servers and I needed to stop getting sooo many dm’s without responding to them lol. “I told Insta I don’t have time, it would be a full-time job”. I say this completely deadpanned.
She doesn’t get the joke or was just too focused on dhv’ing herself and how her dhv attempts and frames weren’t working on me and getting me to chase her.
(Another DHV from her) She tells me that she gets so much attention from guys online and her dm’s are crazy.
She says a few guys have dated her and found her crazy and they didn’t want to be with her or even seen with her due to some of her mental health issues. I said, “just mental health issues? Not including all the other shit?” Jokingly and she slapped my arm smiling.
She asserts that she really does have OCD.
I lightly challenge her by doubtfully looking her up and down saying, “you really don’t seem like type”.
She assures me she is. I challenge her again with abit more humour and say, “well where IS this OCD certificate from a doctor, I want to see it before I believe it.” Like I’m the boss checking her doctors note lol.
She pauses looking at me and then admits that she hasn’t actually been diagnosed with OCD officially.
I think to myself - this is some nonsense. This chick tried to test+disqualify herself with OCD? That’s new to me - usually it’s anxiety or ADHD.
What she was REALLY doing was setting some frames for her to be able to do more challenging while being able to blame the reason for the aggressive challenging on a purely fictional medical diagnosis.
So I followed with dismissing this nonsense frame with, “then you don’t have OCD - no doctors certificate, no condition. That’s how it works here in Australia”. (I was saying this in a charming comedic way but I really wanted to destroy this frame otherwise it would give her carte blanche to act like a chaotic flighty challenge and blame this bogus diagnosis).
She goes on (DHV’ing/qualifying); this one particular guy kept dm’ing her on insta and he sent screenshots of their messages back & forth to her situationship guy (I think she liked this Insta guy but wanted to keep it secret from situationship) and she was mortified when online guy sent these message screenshots to her situationship.
So she promised situationship guy she wouldn’t do that with any guy again (this is a very subtle qualifier to me here, I’ve heard this one before. Ps. Young women are getting really sly with qualifying themselves now).
Here she’s ALSO setting a frame that if a guy doesn’t commit to her, it’s a subtle threat she’ll start answering the dm’s of all the guys messaging her (like a weird Dread game type strategy) but she was setting another frame at the same time: a ‘hint hint’ to me - “keep whatever we do discrete until it’s something real because I’m going to fuck you soon, I can’t help myself”. Lol, this was the LEAST subtle frame she set here.
The “better-commit-to-me-eventually-Or-I’ve-got-heaps-of-other-options Frame is tired but classic frame though.
It was good that she was setting discrete frame though, it was helpful to me and told me she was essentially wanting me to go further with her and she was very interested but wanted to get that frame out of the way to make herself feel more comfortable with having sex with me very soon. The vague threat about non-commitment was unattractive though.
(Another DHV/qualifier) She then tells me “she’s usually simped over by sooo many guys” (her exact words) and she’s so used to it now. But this situationship guy, she’s the Simp-er.
I make a joke that she’s the simpee, and riff on it with some previous emotions ahe mentioned and anchoriny myself in that position to her simping over me and then having fun saying I know how it feels when people do that, it’s a problem (simping)
She says she’s simping hard for this situationship and it’s so far outside the normal behaviour for her (more jealousy frame from her aimed at me - weird quasi-DHV from her).
I didn’t add anything to this and let the tension hang here and she then moves on by saying that this place we’re in now (the park bar area) reminds her of the situationship and she’s had alot of romance here in this setting overlooking the water.
I use emptional language to describe where we are and use some of the value words she told me about her situationship here to then link them to me.
I press her abit more for emotions from situationship but she doesn’t give me many more so I offer more from my own experiences and she agrees and I keep linking them to me.
(This is where you don’t ask questions - she doesn’t even KNOW how she feels about this other dude so I offer my own feelings. IF I tried pumping her for more and more feelings she hasn’t even thought about or is even aware of, she just would think I was acting weird).
At this point, I think she was (very passively) hinting that she wanted me to escalate on her but it was really awkward in public where we were (this is why you never let girls lead) and I knew once I escalated in that location, it would he hard to go very far because there was some groups of friends, and a few families and children nearby (within eyesight, not earshot).
At this point she leaning against this garden bed and gets out her phone & starts fiddling with it saying she, “doesn’t have data, oh, here it is” (I thought: here what is?) with the phone in her hand looking at me expectantly with the blank contact page of her phone (oh, she’s leading me to give me her number because I wouldn’t take the lead and feel her up in public lol).
She told me the building where she lived so I lead her towards it (I’ve been in that building before) without saying anything and she just follows.
When we within eyesight, I feel her hesitation from the earlier passive contaxt screen being held out for me earlier so I test her and say, “Na, I think I’ll just go ” (and leave her go up to her apartment).
She says, “How will you get home though?” (after we just walked for 30 mins) This is her subtley battling my objection to going to her house or leading her towards sex. She wants me to stay with her longer but can’t say this directly because she’s too passive.
She says I can get the train right next door to her building and there’s a bus service out front of her building I can use after she asks me where I live (she’s trying to sort my logistics for me - in case I object further to not fucking her for logistics purposes) She’s being SOO passive here - she can’t ask me up to her apartment without looking sluttly.
I act confused like I didn’t know there were any trains or buses nearby while letting her sit in the tension. Then I add some tension and challenge by saying, “Hmm, you can walk me there and wait with me.” She agrees, lighting up.
So we walk further towards her apartment building and I stop her across the road from it (also from the train station next door) as she waits expectantly just looking at me silently and hopefully.
So I take her hand and hit her HARD with most of the values, emotions and the anchors I set earlier with the words she used.
Then I put her arms around my neck and kiss her briefly, then kiss her neck, then back up to a deeper kiss where I palm her ass. Then FINALLY, reach under her flimsy top and palm those massive tits, they practically fell out of the bottom of this flimsy top with no bra, such a large chest against her slim body, bless her heart.
I stop and say, “hey, I need to charge my phone before I go home” (this is a perfect plausably deniable excuse to go to her apartment without her feeling slutty or with any expectations on my end) and she say sure and welcomes me up.
We go up the elevator of her building and I grab her hand and make some slow sensual descriptions of the ambience earlier and now and she leads me to her apartment.
We get inside and it’s all over (phone charging forgotten) and I push her hips and she’s against the wall, make-out for awhile.
I ask where her bedroom is and she shows me. I push her onto the bed with a firm nudge and make out, then shirt off, fingering, then sex (without any objections).
What was the main re-enforcements here?:
1. Ladies are chaotic and change their minds like crazy, especially when they weren’t absolutely sold on you right at the start (would have been better if I used emotional language immediately, I waited abit too long there)
2. Women will DHV the shit out of the interaction but do it in subtle weird awkward ways that aren’t charming at all. I’m used to this though, but this girl took it to another level considering how short the overall interaction was (about 35 mins)
3. Always Have fun and NEVER take women seriously. Amuse yourself while not taking her seriously, she’s like a muse to joke about but don’t be mean-spirited. Sometimes you do stumble across sore topics, segue to something else.
4. Women will try to frame away their future poor behaviour with nonsense so she can blame her fake “condition” on why she’s being a challenge and it wasn’t her responsibility - it’s a medical issue. A 19 year old is pulling this! I’ve had other women tell me they have ADHD or anxiety or ptsd (more rare) and they admit later that they don’t have a diagnosis for it. It’s just to put blame elsewhere so they don’t seem unpleasant for their challenging or resistance. Have fun with it and ask for proof when they say it, they will normally cave in and admit they have none.
5. Women have very little interesting things to say, even if they are foreign and have done actual interesting things in their life (like this girl) - alot of women are socially unskilled and the bulk of what she said to me was frames, dhv-ing or qualifying herself. But I gave myself alot of laughs with it
6. When girls KNOW they’re extremely overwhelmed by you and likely won’t be able to resist having sex with you when you escalate - they try to cram as many frames in as possible before sex happens to make sure they are prepared for what happens after sex and then try to ensure you won’t dump her later by way of shoring up her dhvs & frames with you first. This is the result of the short time frame of the interaction> her unbelievable level of arousal that she likely hasn’t experienced before this and certainly not this quickly.
7. Women are SUPER passive - you really need to keep leading and making moves and they will give you the tiniest of hints. You find this out when you escalate and they tell you later how they were hinting to you intensely, as this girl did after sex.
8. If you go for girls abit below your league (or so they think) they will be doing ALOT of DHV’ing & testing you to see why you’re interested in them and it’s very low self-esteem. This girl was well above average looking slim 19 year old with mega large boobs and a nice face, so perhaps she thought she was below me. To be fair, I wouldn’t have approached her if she had a normal sized chest and a flat butt though.
When you approach really attractive women who know it - in my experience, they generally don’t pull so much such a large volume of DHV’s.
9. Women get very uncomfortable when you expose these raw emotions in them and bring them to the surface. They often don’t know how to handle it because it’s so rare for them and it can seem like they’re not taking those emotions in but it’s actually rocking them powerfully to the point of stress. So they do very odd things and behave abit chaotically or just shut down and passively listen. I’ve had this happen a few times now, so I understand the behaviour from her. She didn’t really know how to respond to my Prizing frames either - she just accepted them wholesale with no objections.
Anyway, it was a long and detailed one but I thought you might learn something from this. It started off abit rocky but the momentum began building in the 2nd half.
