cookie cutter version of your verbal game

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I saw a post like this on a different forum once and since i'm bored in lockdown...
Post a simplified version of your verbal game that someone can go out tonight (ok, not tonight!) and test out

For example, if you were 'Mystery', your reply might be:

open: ''Hi, i've only got two minutes (FTC), but who lies more, men or women?'
She replies. I explain why i'm asking her that. I then hit her with a neg early. Something like 'Nice nails are they real? No? Shame'.
I then go into DHV's. I'll tell her stories about my exciting life, how i'm a 'leader of men' and how lots of girls want me (without making it look like bragging). ''YOu come from Vegas? Cool. I organised a big event for my friends to go to Vegas last month. It was great. My ex girlfriend was doing a modelling job there too so we got treated really well bla bla bla''. I'll do some magic tricks and some palm reading. Throughout, i'll disqualify. e.g ''You and me wouldn't get along. We'd always fight and I'd always win!'. At this point she's clearly attracted to me and is making it clear. I am now finally allowed to show my own interest in her and use more touch and call her 'adorable' but sometimes balance out the compliment with a false disqualifer (too bad you're blonde' etc). I'll now build comfort and ask her about her family and anything else and just build comfort. The job is basically done now. I'll go for the number, or i'll move venues with her and once we're in a sex location, i'll escalate all teh way

If you were JMULV:

Open: Hi, I had to meet you.
Tell her she's cute. Ask her name and age and stuff.
Tell her she's super small compared to you
Ask her what she does for work and Tell her your a DJ and DHV on that topic for a bit, telling her about venues you've DJ's at etc
Tell her that it's your friends birthday and that they are having a big party in their awesome pad closeby
Ask if she likes grey goose vodka. She says yes.
invite her back - Take her by the hand and begin walking back.

If you were Todd V:

Todd V: Open her with something like: ''Hi. I had to stop you and find out whether you were as intriguing as your look suggests you might be or as sweet and innocent as your expressions indicate you could be. Hey, i'm Todd. Say hello to the cute boy'' - then say ''I have to go in a second to meet my friends (ftc) but what is your story?'' - From there establish 'premise' and be like ''I can't work out whether you're a good girl or whether you're the most trouble i've seen in quite some time but I find you intriguing'' - etc etc. You get the idea.

 

[Toby2030]

There’s a lot of elements that you can’t place directly into a system. If we exclude my vibe and non-verbals, this is pretty much what I do in night game:

Paimai -> I’m often in the dj boot, behind the bar which draws me a lot of attention. I tend to be around people who also try to have the most fun in the room, which draws a lot of attention. I often try to get a strong lock-in very central in the venue, where there’s a lot of traffic from people walking. Sometimes I stand at the ending of a central placed table making people have to get around me. I'm working on my style atm for peacocking. My style is good but I need more to stand out. I just ordered a flourish blazer actually.

Pre-opening -> I face towards the crowd and scan the room for possible EC. I don’t make clear eye contact with her but look a bit away. If I sense she notice me scanning and that she try to get EC, I lock EC and make some kind of expression to her – either a funny face or similar, then look away. She’s then pre-opened and I can engage her either immediately or a little bit later.
(Credit Dreamz and Glow – most of my pre-opening are based on 1 post back from the old danskpickup.dk. I think I have it saved somewhere if anyone is interested – however, it’s in Danish. It’s probably the best post ever made on room gaming imo)

While I’m standing very central people often have to touch me to get around me, which I often use to pre-open. Sometimes I just place myself close to her, and wait for her to look at me, and then make EC, and open with something related to the situation. I sometimes use the claw as well but it’s something I have to work on more. I’m not very strong at that.

Sometimes when the girls are near me I’ll say something like: “This song is amazing, you just know people will hit the dancefloor”. If she answer eg. “Yes, I love this song too”, then I introduce myself or use a situational opener.
Other times, I use standard openers but mostly push-pull, situational or observational openers. I focus on always increasing the energy in my sets, and not being a leech when I open. If I sense resistance from her, I use an FTC. If I sense incoming resistance from her friends, I try to make them a part of the interaction as soon as possible but try to isolate my girl as far as possible too. I try to win over her friends, and use classic Mystery group theory when I have picked a target, and waiting for the any chance to isolate.

After the open I go for a lock-in as quickly as possible, and work on building curiosity, sexual tension and investment. Cold reading, open loops, pauses in the interaction with strong eye contact, occasionally slowing down the rhythm of the interaction, challenges, qualifiers. I use my face quite a lot to withhold validation Julien style, baiting her to qualify herself. I set a sexual chase frame, and wait for her to accept it. When she accepts, I have hooked her, and can move on. If I haven’t isolated her, I’ll do that now. I try to start a compliance ladder as quickly as I can when opening her. “Let’s move over here, so people don’t run us over”, “Can you hold my drink for me for a second?” etc. It makes it easier for me to move her when I really need her to move eg. When isolating her or moving her outside.
I tend to use a lot of push-pull in my interactions. It’s a big part of my escalation progress. Most of the interest I show are either in the push-pull format or as a disqualifier. I tend to only show interest after she have shown interest in me as in classic MM.

I start deep diving, and reward and punish/disqualify her if I like what she’s telling me. When I’m in this stage of the interaction I screen her. “Who are you here with”, “Where do you live”, "Who do you live with", “Are you getting up early tomorrow” etc. I work on escalating my conversation topics more and more sexual, and setting a “us” against the world/we frame. I use the “we” frame a lot when I’m rewarding/disqualifying. “I love that you are so adventures. It would be dangerous if we travelled together. We would just get in trouble”. I try to remove her objections before they are coming up. If she says something that implies us going home together I say something like “I can’t go home with you, I’m waaay to shy”, “We just met each other, slow down”.

I set frames that make her feel allowed to be turned on, and frames that turn her on. I show that I sexual liberated, adventurous, that I like discretion, that I know female sexuality and the Madonna/whore complex, that I’m against slut shaming, that I’m non-judgemental about sex, and sexual prizing. I try to turn my conversation towards these topics, and I’ll behave after them. I reward her when she’s in line with my values and disqualify her if she isn’t.

I work on my sex talk a lot atm. I use an open loop to spike her curiosity so she don’t see my authority frame as bragging. I try to use a rich descriptions as possible, and really use my voice and pauses in the interaction. I talk about anything really. My favorite sex position and why it should be hers too, Teevsters orgasm routine, tips to get an orgasm if she never have had one, my sex preferences, how I focus on both me and the girl when having sex, letting her talk about her sexual experiences and giving feedback/rewarding what I like etc.

Physicality is something I try to establish as quickly as possible in the interaction. I mostly use physicality to increase the sexual tension. Together with moving close to her, sexual state projecting, holding longer pauses, whispering in her ear, I escalate my touch slowly to more and more sexual places. However, my touch are mostly used to make small spikes in sexual tension. Although, I use touch to reward her, and try to touch her on high points in the interaction. I’m working a bit on using Teevester mutual escalation as well at the moment. It’s really powerful when I remember to do it.

I try to seed the pull as early as possible. When I feel like this is a possible pull, I start planting small seeds. “I love to cook great food, and always make something good after a night out. If you behave decently, I could invite you. I’m just not sure about you yet. Nevertheless, look at that guy! (change topic)”.

I mostly go for the kiss before pulling her. I go for it, break it first and tease her a lot. I must cut down on my kissing – getting covid-19 from it was probably the sign lol. I tend to kiss with too many girls, and might have to only kiss girls when I’m going for the pull.
As I talked about earlier with my compliance ladder, I tend to move girls quite a lot around inside the venue. When it’s pulling time, I move her outside, and then frame an after party, something I’ve seeded earlier or similar. I always try to seed the idea early, frame it as awesome, qualify her on it if she’s cool enough, and then I just lead her.

I have really really good logistics, and live in a 5 min walking distance away from most clubs. I try to keep the energy high while walking home, and pass the occasional shit-tests and objections with looping. When we get into my apartment, I leave her in my room. I turn on some music if it’s the weekend or I just let her sit on my couch while I go to the bathroom if it’s a weekday. (I have a roomie). Then you can probably figure out the rest.

On top of my head here early in the morning, that's more or less how I do my nightgame pulls. Again, some of the most important aspects are still the non-verbals and vibe. But this is a technical break down of my process.

 

[Teevster]

If you were JMULV:

I would prob just get myself castrated

 

[pinpin]

I would prob just get myself castrated

I think he's going for 10000 lays before he calls it a day lol

 

[Velasco]

Here's the one Alex posted in the UMP Mastermind group:

Open-to-Close Verbal Game Structure

Reasoning behind structure:

• The opener is very low compliance.
  • Low compliance = High success rate.
• • The goal is closing. Closing is the last step of the verbal pyramid. I want to go through the process of DHV - Making her Qualify - Sexualizing - Closing as quickly as possible.
  • The first part of the structure is DHV
    • If she perceives high value she's much more likely to qualify to you
  • The second part of the structure is Making her qualify
    • If she qualifies to you she's much more likely to be receptive to sexualization since the dynamic is in your favor.
  • The third part of the structure is sexualizing
    • If you've set a sexual frame you're more likely to close later and you'll also surface any potential obstacle for the close.
    • This removes any risk of LMR or BS like that.
  • The fourth part of the structure is closing
    • We've set up a dynamic that's perfect for closing now! Which is the end goal
  • I want to keep it as simple as possible & move the interaction forward as quickly as possible without compromising anything. I think this is pretty damn close.
    • The purpose of step 1 is to get to step 1.5
    • The purpose of step 1.5 is to get to step 2
    • The purpose of step 2 is to get to step 2.5
    • ... and so on. You get the idea. It's all about gaining compliance to move one step further all the time.
  • Contingency plan for each hoop if non compliance. I’ve only included contingency plans for the hoops that get non compliance out in the real world.
  • This is only an overall framework. You still need to capitalize on every single random opportunity presented to
    • DHV
    • Make her qualify
    • Impose prize frame (frame her or other girls as chasing)
    • Convey sexual authority
    • Identify potential obstacles
  • If I think I can skip steps (for example skip Step 1 & 2 and move straight to Step 3 or 4), I will do so. With the Verbal Pyramid in mind.
    • If the interaction starts off with her showing IOI’s, there’s no need to DHV initially because she already perceives me as high value. I can skip right to step 3 (Making her qualify)
    • If the interaction starts off with her qualifying to me, I can skip right to step 5 (Sexualising)
    • I don’t want to go a notch down on the verbal pyramid unless there has been non-compliance. That’s taking a step back in setting up the dynamic.

THE STRUCTURE:

1: Open - "Hey excuse me, are you from x?"

• If yes: - "No way. My ex is also from there! She told me a lot of things about girls from x!"

1.5: Open loop - "Is it true what they say about girls from x?”

• If withholding or not showing any signs of curiosity - bait it out. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t work. She may very well just be withholding it to not seem reactive. But for the purpose of moving forward with the structure, it’s worth trying to bait out this response. I have a couple of canned lines I use to manufacture the curious response. I just stack all of them and one will hook eventually. I've gotten a lot of inspiration for these lines from BuzzFeeds clickbait headlines (which are specifically designed to create curiosity).
• Examples on how to bait the curious response:
  • Very subtly imply preselection [DHV] or trigger [emotional impact] on each bait attempt.
• It's not necessarily a bad thing always! Some guys like it!
• It's actually really crazy because every single girl from [x] does this thing and they're not even aware of it!
• I actually never noticed it before it was pointed out to me and I could never unsee it ever again
• All that I see when I meet girls from [x city] is this
• It's so glaringly obvious once you know about it
• Most girls from there are so insecure about it but it’s actually a really good thing!!
• When they finally hook on the open loop - I wanna see if it's true first.
  • This provides justification (compliance trigger) for when you move onto Step 3 - Making her Qualify.

2: (Micro)isolate - capitalizing on the compliance from the Open Loop.

• If very curious about open loop - you can isolate fully. [You have a lot of compliance]
• If only moderately curious about open loop - micro isolate (simply face away so that you have full focus and away from distractions) [You have moderate amounts of compliance]

2.5: Locking in
Makes them more likely to qualify and chase

3: Making her qualify
This should be an overall theme throughout the entire interaction from this point and forward. But you can create that momentum easily and easily set positive commitment biases through the examples below.
Example: "How open minded are you from 1-10?”

• Adventurous
• Spontaneous
• Fun
• Risk taking
• Dick sucking skills (high compliance)
• What's the craziest thing you've ever done? [Since you've already established high value in her eyes, she will want to impress you]

Stay away from qualifying traits such as:

• Being logical
• Being rational
• Being smart

3.5: Start seeding the pull slowly. Do this by screening her logistics and just dropping where you live relative to her.

• Where in [city] do you stay?
• Ah that's so far! I live at [your location], [number of minutes] away from here!

4: Transition to sexualizing
Sexual compliance ladders - "What's the craziest thing you've ever done?"

• If she gives a sexual reply to that question, tell a sexual story but be sure to outdo her.
• If she gives a non-sexual reply to that question, go ahead with a sexual story of yourself regardless but preface it with "It's pretty explicit... you sure?"
  • This could mean that her compliance levels aren’t that high yet. You can increase them by going first (Reciprocity compliance trigger)
  • This could mean that she’s not sure how to respond to the question because you haven’t set a sexual frame yet - indicative of platonic subcoms.

5: Sexual Compliance Ladder
The purpose of step 5:

• Set sexual frame
• Screen out sexual preferences so that you can give the perfect value proposition by picking the right angle when attempting the pull.
  • Pay close attention to body language/facial expression/tonality to which one of these hoops you get the strongest response from. That is the angle that you’re going to use later when pulling.
• You can do these hoops in form of either a question or a cold read. In the examples below I've done it in form of a cold read. This allows you to move it forward slightly faster but I've experienced that it's higher risk, higher reward.

5.1 "I get a vibe from you..."
- You're really submissive

• If compliance - Reward + Next hoop [5.2]
• If non-compliance
  • No I’m not = - [LCT] Obviously not for any guy but for the right guy.
  • Why do you think that? I can tell from miles away and I can see it in your body language. It’s so obvious.
    • When compliance - Reward + Next hoop [5.2]

5.2 - You love having your hair pulled

• If compliance - Reward + Next hoop [5.3]
• If non-compliance - [LCT] By the right guy of course.

5.3 - You love to be choked

• If compliance - Reward + Assume pull
  • Example: Perfect. We're gonna have so much fucking fun later [Segueway into Step 6]
• If neutral
  • Most likely a variation of "I don't know, I've never had it" = "I can tell you'd really love it."
  • When compliance - do the same as [If compliance] right above.
• If non-compliance - [LCT] By the right guy of course.
  • This will trigger a yes-response.
  • Reward that yes-response + Assume pull just like above.

5.4 [NEW ADDITION]

• Do you like oral?
  • If Yes = Perfect because I have a rule…
    • I’ll reveal this routine in the next audio breakdown
  • If No (rare) = How come?
    • Most common by far: She doesn’t usually cum from oral = I know most guys are really bad at it. I guarantee that I’m going to make you cum at least 3-4 times. [Assuming the close - seguewaying into Step 6]

6: Pull
The way I go about this will be depending on what obstacles, which sexual hoop she responded the strongest to (angle for maximal value proposition) and her perception of me.

At this point there are usually only two possible obstacles:

If I'm too high value - cuddle routine
If there are friends - Compliance & framing ladder:
"How do you know your friends?"
"Ah so you're really good friends then!"
"So they're not gonna get all weird when we leave together?"