Special Girl Deep diving, my history and the style of deep divings i personally do

[Skills]

I did not know what deep diving was, till i joined this forum is popular with chase followers... But i used to do deep diving and i still do different types of deep diving, so i will cover my history with deep diving, why i stop using it and what i do instead...

So when i was 15, i found a book from my parents called "how to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie" i would read that book, over and over and over, so i would read it, and start reading again, so i probably read it more than 100 times (people find it ironic due to my delivery style, which is an act/troll job/stick)...

Anyways, tldr the books talk about people want to feel important and to get them talking about themselves... That was my first go to seduction book, it did work since i was able to win friends and somewhat influence people and even get some attraction, but i was not putting dick in pussy....

I was not a natural yet, i was very early me trying to figure stuff out on my own (there was not community back then)... So me, maybe due to wrong conclusion and causation correlation, due to not putting dick in pussy, dropped the deep diving i was using (no chase stuff, but my own deep dives)

^ looking back, i was not fractionating and using at wrong time, and i was not doing physical game or sexual verbals of any kind just relying on deep dive, results i was getting attraction and no closing so i dropped it. Finally, my timing was off, for context look @Kvothe report, and then chase did some post on deep diving timing as well, post krove thread (if someone kind find it link it so i can add, i am too lazy to look for it)...

Later, i changed to my own version of grandmaster, then to grandmaster with polarization (tate, trump style) combine with physical game, this worked but was not optimal, then i change to more rounded style and drop polarization switch to incorporating a more well rounded style combining everything with second gen/teevester sex talk..

So now that i Posted my history with deep diving, let me show you the deep dives i never abandoned, how i do them, and why, which is important....

- Relationships deep dive.- I am a big believer and still argue to this day of the importance of HOC (i will acknowledge with gen z this is a bit complex), since gen z women don't date a lot or sleep around a lot, this is factual based on stats. So, if you are meeting a younger girl to get history of cheating will be difficult, but still needs to be done. Also they range between (18-23).... I personally think girls from that age range should not be mains, though i am being hypocritical, since i have gotten mains 18-23, but this is a mistake. i just did not know what i was doing...

Most people in general think is rude and you should never talk about exes including a lot of gurus and a lot of people in general, we all have heard "don't talk about exes", i would agree cause most people do not know how to do this correctly, also timing is totally off, but this advice is retarded (more on this later)....

Talking about exes is super important, again for History of cheating and post break up segment of vulnerable girls (i will post how to deal with them at the end related to this post)... I know all my girls exes, how much relationship lasted, what they did for break up, how they were sexually, what they like and did not like, profession everything there is to know about them...

^ but they importance of finding this out, and showing excitement and interest in this type of deep dive is that you want to find out, you guessed it "HISTORY OF CHEATING" and you guessed it "history of sexual acts" of course so you can EXPLOIT THE INFO TO YOUR ADVANTAGE:

So now if you know history of cheating, and if she cheated now you know she CAN'T BE A MAIN GIRL, OLTR, WIFE, MAIN SQUEZZE, NOTHING, NADA she can not be more than an friends with benefit, or mltr...

If you know sexual history you know how to exploit to your advantage (i will post link to how to do this)...

^ again, as i sound like a broken record, the way to do this is to get her to know that you are SECRET SOCIETY, NO JUDGEMENTAL, DIFFERENT, SEXUALLY OPEN.... Unfortunately, it saddens me most seducers even guru have some type of MADONNA WHORE COMPLEX, This forum has it the worst i seen lol, not even with the arrival and taking over of the nextasf guys has improved much...Ironic, having teevester as main writer of chase main site and founder of forum who is the president of sexual openness and were i learned most of this sexual openness/Madonna whore stuff.

The moment of ANY INTERACTION, A girl notice via micro expressions, body language and/or any words directly or indirectly the opening up about past relationship or sexually is DONE/OVER....She will start gaming some type of purity "i am a good girl a saint"...


So how do we do this:

easiest way is the "how long was your longest relationship?" and deep dive into the relationship from there and transition to other relationships.... This also help you to gauge what she likes and does not like, she will tell you a lot on how to game her based on info. She may be anchoring ex to you as well, so making seduction easier...

^ eventually just like cops due to suspected criminal you will have same convo, days, weeks or months later during vetting process (yes as i sound like a broken record, you should not make women main for at least 6 months, you guys that get desperate 3 months at least)...

If she repeats the story after 3rd time no discrepancy, she is being honest... (i have never had a girl lie on this by the way, even the shady women, will open up about cheating in the past, with no issue if deep dives have been done right)...

sexual deep dives.-

Many ways to go into sexual deep dives, now a days women are so sexually open that is just too easy to get them to open up sexually, which is why i have almost drop second gen, to the point i only use it when i feel some mild resistance(barely ever happens now a days).... But basically the teevester lover and provider/maddona whore was my go to, if you can say it or TEXT IT, in or own words, if you see in the opening up deep diving phases she is hesitating or objecting... Or any of teevester stuff... Again, i personally now a days don't even have to resort to that...

I almost forgot if this is done correctly no point on getting to lay count retarded convos.... and get a bs answer, or a erroneous answer even if she is saying the truth, a lot of girls don't count or believe some fucks that happen as counting... Do if you want to ask, you can ask post opening up, though i think is unnecessary... But some guys like pwf, love this question so go ahead if this done correctly, you can ask...

I will post stuff on how to get them to do crazy shit 101 basics, you just follow the principles in your own style this is related to post and sexual deep dives (again if you are interested on getting good at sexual or relationship deep dives for context):

The 2 types of men when it comes to seduction - The Skills Method

There are 2 types of men when it comes to seduction. One is successful the other one is not, one is a lover the other one a provider.

www.theskillsmethod.com

How to do a three some (3 some)

These are easy and proven ways I found to land fast threesome.

www.theskillsmethod.com

Insider risk everything to expose the world of players and seducers.

A secret society exists. Around 52% of people on this earth are a part of it. Of that 52%, 50% are women, 2% are men. Of that 2%, 1% of those men are gay, the other 1% are players. What I’m talking about is the sex secret society – and you are either *IN* or *OUT*.

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[Kvothe]

^ looking back, i was not fractionating and using at wrong time, and i was not doing physical game or sexual verbals of any kind just relying on deep dive, results i was getting attraction and no closing so i dropped it. Finally, my timing was off, for context look @Kvothe report, and then chase did some post on deep diving timing as well, post krove thread (if someone kind find it link it so i can add, i am too lazy to look for it)...

lol krove

this is the thread btw: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/onlyfans-girl-while-doing-daygame.29112

and then some actual GC posts I'm too lazy to find haha

 

[Chase]

i am too lazy to look for it)...

I'm too lazy to find haha

Crikey.

It's an epidemic of laziness!

These are the two articles I wrote following that discussion @Kvothe linked:

When to Use Deep Diving with Girls

Some guys try to use deep dives with girls just after meeting them. But this is not the right time for a deep dive. When is? The MIDDLE of the seduction! Contents 1. Deep Diving Origins Experiments w/ DD 2. What If You Dive Early? GF's Early Diving Deep Dive Prerequisites No DD on # Closes Deep...

www.girlschase.com

Secrets to Getting Girls: Attraction > Connection

Many guys try to connect with girls as fast as possible. But if the aim is romance, attraction must precede connection – or you (likely) won’t get the girl. A month back, in response to multiple members of our forum saying they’d been deep diving girls (i.e., seeking to build deep connections...

www.girlschase.com

...

@Skills, nice post.

- Relationships deep dive.- I am a big believer and still argue to this day of the importance of HOC (i will acknowledge with gen z this is a bit complex), since gen z women don't date a lot or sleep around a lot, this is factual based on stats. So, if you are meeting a younger girl to get history of cheating will be difficult, but still needs to be done. Also they range between (18-23).... I personally think girls from that age range should not be mains, though i am being hypocritical, since i have gotten mains 18-23, but this is a mistake. i just did not know what i was doing...

Most people in general think is rude and you should never talk about exes including a lot of gurus and a lot of people in general, we all have heard "don't talk about exes", i would agree cause most people do not know how to do this correctly, also timing is totally off, but this advice is retarded (more on this later)....

Talking about exes is super important, again for History of cheating and post break up segment of vulnerable girls (i will post how to deal with them at the end related to this post)... I know all my girls exes, how much relationship lasted, what they did for break up, how they were sexually, what they like and did not like, profession everything there is to know about them...

^ but they importance of finding this out, and showing excitement and interest in this type of deep dive is that you want to find out, you guessed it "HISTORY OF CHEATING" and you guessed it "history of sexual acts" of course so you can EXPLOIT THE INFO TO YOUR ADVANTAGE:

So now if you know history of cheating, and if she cheated now you know she CAN'T BE A MAIN GIRL, OLTR, WIFE, MAIN SQUEZZE, NOTHING, NADA she can not be more than an friends with benefit, or mltr...

If you know sexual history you know how to exploit to your advantage (i will post link to how to do this)...

^ again, as i sound like a broken record, the way to do this is to get her to know that you are SECRET SOCIETY, NO JUDGEMENTAL, DIFFERENT, SEXUALLY OPEN.... Unfortunately, it saddens me most seducers even guru have some type of MADONNA WHORE COMPLEX, This forum has it the worst i seen lol, not even with the arrival and taking over of the nextasf guys has improved much...Ironic, having teevester as main writer of chase main site and founder of forum who is the president of sexual openness and were i learned most of this sexual openness/Madonna whore stuff.

The moment of ANY INTERACTION, A girl notice via micro expressions, body language and/or any words directly or indirectly the opening up about past relationship or sexually is DONE/OVER....She will start gaming some type of purity "i am a good girl a saint"...


So how do we do this:

easiest way is the "how long was your longest relationship?" and deep dive into the relationship from there and transition to other relationships.... This also help you to gauge what she likes and does not like, she will tell you a lot on how to game her based on info. She may be anchoring ex to you as well, so making seduction easier...

^ eventually just like cops due to suspected criminal you will have same convo, days, weeks or months later during vetting process (yes as i sound like a broken record, you should not make women main for at least 6 months, you guys that get desperate 3 months at least)...

If she repeats the story after 3rd time no discrepancy, she is being honest... (i have never had a girl lie on this by the way, even the shady women, will open up about cheating in the past, with no issue if deep dives have been done right)...

I do this the exact same way.

Very casually ask about her LTRs early on when she barely knows you and you are deep in lover territory for her so she doesn't feel like she has anything to hide. You act totally chill throughout... zero reaction to any of it. Just "Hmm" "Ah" "I see" "Makes sense!" File everything away.

(I will often do this after the second occasion banging her... probably my favorite time to have this conversation. She is very comfortable, trusts you a lot, but zero expectations at that point)

LATER ON... 5 weeks, 6 weeks, 8 weeks later, etc.... she is now angling for the LTR with you... ask her about her past relationships again. Once again, completely chill. She can now no longer remember exactly what she said to you.

You will get some girls who get visibly a little nervous because they know they talked about it with you right at the start of things but they cannot remember what they told you anymore. Usually this is going to push them to be truthful, since if they try lying but lie in a different direction that will just make it worse. This is where you get confessions, "Ah ha ha, well actually blah blah blah happened..."

The confession is not always that she was a cheater. Sometimes before she told you the two of them just broke up, but later on she admits the guy was cheating on her, or something like that.

Especially if the story changes, then you need to do a real deep dive, get as many details as you can, then file that away too... then not talk to her about it again for some more months (like 3+ months).

Then at some point you will circle back to it a third time, bring it up again very casually, and ask her some details about it again.

If you have some sort of suspicion you can change some of the details and ask her, "Didn't you say XYZ happened?" and if she corrects you and returns to the same details she told you last time then it is probably truthful. But if she goes off on some different tangent... suspicious!

(you can even continue to do this years down the line. I have had "new details emerge" scenarios with girls even after years. Never anything major... just little details she skipped over previous times where there was always a slight question mark, then you manage to get it filled in later on and are like "Aha, that is what she left out before... she said she stopped seeing that guy when she found out he had a girlfriend, but she actually saw him one last time anyway, the little minx!")

sexual deep dives.-

Many ways to go into sexual deep dives, now a days women are so sexually open that is just too easy to get them to open up sexually, which is why i have almost drop second gen, to the point i only use it when i feel some mild resistance(barely ever happens now a days).... But basically the teevester lover and provider/maddona whore was my go to, if you can say it or TEXT IT, in or own words, if you see in the opening up deep diving phases she is hesitating or objecting... Or any of teevester stuff... Again, i personally now a days don't even have to resort to that...

Yes, lots of roads lead into this. Lots of girls have zero fear of being judged about sex these days. When I started with this stuff in 2005 you would have girls talk candidly about sex with you in bars and so on, but you would also have girls where you would bring it up and they would do the whole, "Well, I never! I am not that kind of girl..." routine.

By the mid-2010s that whole mock "I am a lady and I would never...!" thing had mostly just disappeared. If she likes you and is comfortable with you and you can smoothly bring up sex, it is just another topic she is happy to discuss.

I think the going assumption with girls these days is "If he's asking about it and he seems chill, then he probably is. So it's all good talking about it with him."

Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

Assuming this is post-lay, what is your rapport stage like - only sexual and secret society qualifying? I know you're very polarizing, grandmaster style, which sounds like heavy repartee flirting banter etc. and less comfort building. I know you're mindful of what you call security, but do you do any getting to know her pre-lay? I think you do mostly night game so I would be curious to see how you'd approach a shy girl reading a book on a bench or something. good pyco angle? lol just kidding

I am for sure with the "deep diving too early" camp. I think this is because rapport is easier... you just let her do the talking and keep up tension. But also the purpose behind it is that her feeling of connection and trust is based on you knowing her, without vice versa, so she can feel like she's known you all her life without knowing about you. The purpose of this to me has always been the trust to get her to open her true self and follow you to isolation. The manta is "move fast", so this seemed to be in service of that.

Off topic: With flirting, it seems a little scattershot. Like you are talking nonsense while really taking each other in, processing the eye contact and face attraction, letting mirror neurons work, etc. So I have less backend framework of what is happening verbally, but am thinking maybe it's all about frames and testing to establish who is dominant, if you are a lover, etc. Evolutionary fitness stuff. So Mystery had DHV's and negs to be above her. Chase builds her up, but still is establishing her as silly and cute.

 

[Skills]

lol krove

this is the thread btw: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/onlyfans-girl-while-doing-daygame.29112

and then some actual GC posts I'm too lazy to find haha

No is the one i linked i nitpick your timing i would have waited...

 

[Skills]

Crikey.

It's an epidemic of laziness!

These are the two articles I wrote following that discussion @Kvothe linked:

When to Use Deep Diving with Girls

Some guys try to use deep dives with girls just after meeting them. But this is not the right time for a deep dive. When is? The MIDDLE of the seduction! Contents 1. Deep Diving Origins Experiments w/ DD 2. What If You Dive Early? GF's Early Diving Deep Dive Prerequisites No DD on # Closes Deep...

www.girlschase.com

Secrets to Getting Girls: Attraction > Connection

Many guys try to connect with girls as fast as possible. But if the aim is romance, attraction must precede connection – or you (likely) won’t get the girl. A month back, in response to multiple members of our forum saying they’d been deep diving girls (i.e., seeking to build deep connections...

www.girlschase.com

...

@Skills, nice post.



I do this the exact same way.

Very casually ask about her LTRs early on when she barely knows you and you are deep in lover territory for her so she doesn't feel like she has anything to hide. You act totally chill throughout... zero reaction to any of it. Just "Hmm" "Ah" "I see" "Makes sense!" File everything away.

(I will often do this after the second occasion banging her... probably my favorite time to have this conversation. She is very comfortable, trusts you a lot, but zero expectations at that point)

LATER ON... 5 weeks, 6 weeks, 8 weeks later, etc.... she is now angling for the LTR with you... ask her about her past relationships again. Once again, completely chill. She can now no longer remember exactly what she said to you.

You will get some girls who get visibly a little nervous because they know they talked about it with you right at the start of things but they cannot remember what they told you anymore. Usually this is going to push them to be truthful, since if they try lying but lie in a different direction that will just make it worse. This is where you get confessions, "Ah ha ha, well actually blah blah blah happened..."

The confession is not always that she was a cheater. Sometimes before she told you the two of them just broke up, but later on she admits the guy was cheating on her, or something like that.

Especially if the story changes, then you need to do a real deep dive, get as many details as you can, then file that away too... then not talk to her about it again for some more months (like 3+ months).

Then at some point you will circle back to it a third time, bring it up again very casually, and ask her some details about it again.

If you have some sort of suspicion you can change some of the details and ask her, "Didn't you say XYZ happened?" and if she corrects you and returns to the same details she told you last time then it is probably truthful. But if she goes off on some different tangent... suspicious!

(you can even continue to do this years down the line. I have had "new details emerge" scenarios with girls even after years. Never anything major... just little details she skipped over previous times where there was always a slight question mark, then you manage to get it filled in later on and are like "Aha, that is what she left out before... she said she stopped seeing that guy when she found out he had a girlfriend, but she actually saw him one last time anyway, the little minx!")



Yes, lots of roads lead into this. Lots of girls have zero fear of being judged about sex these days. When I started with this stuff in 2005 you would have girls talk candidly about sex with you in bars and so on, but you would also have girls where you would bring it up and they would do the whole, "Well, I never! I am not that kind of girl..." routine.

By the mid-2010s that whole mock "I am a lady and I would never...!" thing had mostly just disappeared. If she likes you and is comfortable with you and you can smoothly bring up sex, it is just another topic she is happy to discuss.

I think the going assumption with girls these days is "If he's asking about it and he seems chill, then he probably is. So it's all good talking about it with him."

Chase

Yes the timing article is the one that i have seen the most people fuck up.... @Chase can you hiperlink to this part the timing deep dive article you mention "chase did some post on deep diving timing as well" I always mess up with my edit timing, i wish tribal elders had the longer edits windows without expiration.... like i make my post in a rush like a rapper when writing songs...

 

[Skills]

Assuming this is post-lay, what is your rapport stage like - only sexual and secret society qualifying? I know you're very polarizing, grandmaster style, which sounds like heavy repartee flirting banter etc. and less comfort building. I know you're mindful of what you call security, but do you do any getting to know her pre-lay? I think you do mostly night game so I would be curious to see how you'd approach a shy girl reading a book on a bench or something. good pyco angle? lol just kidding

I am for sure with the "deep diving too early" camp. I think this is because rapport is easier... you just let her do the talking and keep up tension. But also the purpose behind it is that her feeling of connection and trust is based on you knowing her, without vice versa, so she can feel like she's known you all her life without knowing about you. The purpose of this to me has always been the trust to get her to open her true self and follow you to isolation. The manta is "move fast", so this seemed to be in service of that.

Off topic: With flirting, it seems a little scattershot. Like you are talking nonsense while really taking each other in, processing the eye contact and face attraction, letting mirror neurons work, etc. So I have less backend framework of what is happening verbally, but am thinking maybe it's all about frames and testing to establish who is dominant, if you are a lover, etc. Evolutionary fitness stuff. So Mystery had DHV's and negs to be above her. Chase builds her up, but still is establishing her as silly and cute.

Yes look at chase article most people fuck up with the deep dive timing that was my point and why i was against deep diving in the past...

I do all games but yes mostly night game but makes no difference in my post on how to date i mention when i would do deep diving...i will link later... I don't do community grandmaster what i do is my own version more indirect but is mixed with everything, in the how to flirt post is more indicative of what I do ..i will link later..