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I had done direct street game only few times in my life and it was with my wing. Otherwise I have done indirect street gaming and direct gaming at familiar places like college or near my neighbourhood. Yesterday I did direct street game alone. And while I did not get any rude responses (one girl either ignored me completely or didn't hear me because of wearing earphones), even after I got home, the traumatizing effects of the approach anxiety I had to experience yesterday was still lingering in me. I was emotionally traumatized by something that was part of my imagination and not reality. It feels like being scared of a ghost. Anyone else feel emotionally traumatized due to approach anxiety in daygame? Compared to this, night game is so easy because it feels more socially acceptable (I don't drink).
 
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Many daygamers feel the same way about night game. Do it enough and you’ll—dare I say—get used to it :)

Night game, to me, is much more daunting (loud music, cock blocks, drunk people, large sets, hectic environment, bitch shields, high energy, etc). But, then again, it's all in your mind at the end of the day
 
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This is old man me ranting but why do newer generations overuse the word “traumatising”?!

Sure, @lutgardis … you had a hard experience. You definitely felt a lot of shame to the point that it carries to the day after.
It is not easy.
I feel for you.

But “trauma”?? It seems to me like want it equated to be in a car accident or being drafted to a war.
Call me old but it is off putting for me.
 

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This is old man me ranting but why do newer generations overuse the word “traumatising”?!

Sure, @lutgardis … you had a hard experience. You definitely felt a lot of shame to the point that it carries to the day after.
It is not easy.
I feel for you.

But “trauma”?? It seems to me like want it equated to be in a car accident or being drafted to a war.
Call me old but it is off putting for me.
Yeah ... Better write to the soldiers in Ukraine to send help. We have boys here getting traumatized by talking to girls in public 😂
 

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This is old man me ranting but why do newer generations overuse the word “traumatising”?!

Sure, @lutgardis … you had a hard experience. You definitely felt a lot of shame to the point that it carries to the day after.
It is not easy.
I feel for you.

But “trauma”?? It seems to me like want it equated to be in a car accident or being drafted to a war.
Call me old but it is off putting for me.
I am not like you, you are not like me. Legit for me dying is way less scarier than doing this shit. I think so many worst outcomes that can happen. I hope you can empathise with my feeling. I once had a almost death experience where a car was about to hit me. I remember I was scared shitless back then. But even that feeling was nothing compared to this.
 

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This is old man me ranting but why do newer generations overuse the word “traumatising”?!

Sure, @lutgardis … you had a hard experience. You definitely felt a lot of shame to the point that it carries to the day after.
It is not easy.
I feel for you.

But “trauma”?? It seems to me like want it equated to be in a car accident or being drafted to a war.
Call me old but it is off putting for me.
Yeah, OP will be just fine.

If DG traumatizes him, was probably something else deeper going on in the first place.


But honestly might be a Gen Z thing. some these girls act like you got a ski mask and a gun, just asking them what berries they prefer at the supermarket.

Just weren't socialized like we were.
 

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I am not like you, you are not like me. Legit for me dying is way less scarier than doing this shit. I think so many worst outcomes that can happen. I hope you can empathise with my feeling. I once had a almost death experience where a car was about to hit me. I remember I was scared shitless back then. But even that feeling was nothing compared to this.
honestly @lutgardis I don't envy your generation. If I had been learning game in the quasi big brother environment (smart phones turning everybody to memes) y'all are coming up in I probably would have had way more anxiety around it. Especially all the silly mistakes you make at first.

But always be aware that speaking with women is a perfectly normal human thing to do, and that if you are just chill about it and don't do anything wildly out of pocket you will be fine. No one will really fault you for it. And you definitely won't end up a meme somewhere. Just be chill.

In fact, if you're cool about it, you often times make a women day brighter just by saying hi (granted you don't stick around too long should she reject you).

Sounds to me like there is maybe some deeper issue going on regarding self-conception and social relations. I don't have all the pieces here, so I am not going to get too presumptuous. But could be something worth examining in other ways that aren't pickup.

Consider that maybe what was "traumatizing" had less to do with the act of talking to women, and more to do with thoughts in your head. Literally nothing traumatic happened to you (externally at least). So whatever felt sense of trauma there was, that seems to point to some internal mechanism at play.

I am not sure that pick-up is exactly the best thing to address something like that. But you can still approach Day game a bit like exposure therapy (perhaps in tandem with other therapeutic practices)

So just one little step at a time. Don't do anything too wild that will give you a major blowout. Just one step at a time until you are more acclimated.

Be proud of the fact that you are confronting your fears. That speaks very much to your character. That you gave it a go, regardless of how trying it was. Be proud of your self everytime you confront that. Say to yourself out loud "damn dude, you really went for it. I'm proud of you"

Allow yourself to rest and accimilate. Take breaks between sets and do other enjoyable things. Bring a book with you and do some reading. Go on a stroll in the park. Go shopping. Eat a piece of fruit. Take pictures of cool things. Explore hidden side streets.

Make your day about having an adventure, not just about talking to girls. An adventure where you just happen to talk to a few girls along the way. Then gradually loop talking to more and more girls into the adventure, as you get more comfortable.

Journal between sets. About how the set went, all the things that came up for you. Or just write about anything that comes to mind. Get your thoughts out of your head, and onto a page.

Talk to people other than hot girls. Get used to talking to strangers where the stakes don't feel so high. Chat with service industry people. Chat with the old lady in line at the grocery store.

I highly recommend a meditation practice if you don't already have one. Learn a variety of effective breathing techniques.

Learn deep relaxation practices, and then apply them between sets. Take minute to connect with your breath. Or do some stretching. Or even pushups, or burpees. Physical exercise/relaxation does wonders at moving nervous energy. Even just a little
 
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I am not like you, you are not like me. Legit for me dying is way less scarier than doing this shit. I think so many worst outcomes that can happen. I hope you can empathise with my feeling. I once had a almost death experience where a car was about to hit me. I remember I was scared shitless back then. But even that feeling was nothing compared to this.
Oh, I empathize with your situation… don’t get me wrong.

Just pointing out that the way you are framing it is certainly not helping you.
Language is important.
 

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In terms of fear reduction, I agree exposure therapy's a good way to think about it. So your brain can plug positive reference experience memories in place of pondering. Confirming that it's possible gives you the confidence in replicating it.

I used to visibly sweat through my shirt armpits on dates. Some early experiences like before going straight to a woman's house the first time would make me shake a bit, like shivering and cold. I'd bundle up and wait the tremor out.

So a couple years ago, I poured a ton of time into setting up a string of successive meets from online dating, and met 15 women over two weeks. Anyone who would take the date. Now instead of day game strolling, I think I'm going to break a natural loop down into steps from point A to B to C, etc. and know ahead if it's direct or indirect based on location. And then make the goal to keep it moving through the course.
 

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The first time I asked a woman out, it took me an hour to dial her number, since I got partially done and chickened out (lucky the dorm phones only needed 5 digits or I might still be trying!). Nothing bad happened (or good), but it did clear up my fear, and she seemed to find it a positive experience.
 

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This is old man me ranting but why do newer generations overuse the word “traumatising”?!
Agree with this (even though a couple months back I was going through an experience and calling it trauma lmao, that shit wasn't trauma).

I understand why it is like that though. These days people are exposed to so much info, so many different opinions and beliefs, that our critical minds are way stronger than decades ago. It makes it harder to let things go/process emotions, because every idea is judged, everything is good/bad right/wrong.

And young people are also being taught to medicate everything. They're taught if they're feeling anxiety, it's a problem that needs to be medicated, depression has to be medicated, etc.
This makes people create fear and powerlessness around their own emotions-- when the truth is they are all just sensations that basically everyone feels, and they don't have to mean anything (and they're easy to process!).

People are just bad at processing emotions nowadays, so I guess for them, if something triggers shame or anxiety or whatever, it really does feel "traumatizing".

@lutgardis ultimately it's just about letting go of the fear towards your own anxiety. And once you let go of that, you can fully face the anxiety, and then once you do that, you're not really feeling anxiety anymore.

Plus, at the end of the day you still did it, don't you feel a sense of pride that you took action?
 

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Agree with this (even though a couple months back I was going through an experience and calling it trauma lmao, that shit wasn't trauma).

I understand why it is like that though. These days people are exposed to so much info, so many different opinions and beliefs, that our critical minds are way stronger than decades ago. It makes it harder to let things go/process emotions, because every idea is judged, everything is good/bad right/wrong.

And young people are also being taught to medicate everything. They're taught if they're feeling anxiety, it's a problem that needs to be medicated, depression has to be medicated, etc.
This makes people create fear and powerlessness around their own emotions-- when the truth is they are all just sensations that basically everyone feels, and they don't have to mean anything (and they're easy to process!).

People are just bad at processing emotions nowadays, so I guess for them, if something triggers shame or anxiety or whatever, it really does feel "traumatizing".

@lutgardis ultimately it's just about letting go of the fear towards your own anxiety. And once you let go of that, you can fully face the anxiety, and then once you do that, you're not really feeling anxiety anymore.

Plus, at the end of the day you still did it, don't you feel a sense of pride that you took action?
I am a very logical person. I think the reason I feel so anxious is because I don't want to be labelled as a creep or a harasser. I have instagram since some girls connect with me via instagram, including the ones who came on a date with me. Unfortunately, instagram also recommends me reels of Indian guys cold approaching and when you see the comments, it is always negative. ALWAYS. The interaction with the girl could have gone good but the people who comment always call the guy harasser, creep, etc and even send them death threats. If a white guy does it, there aren't that many negative comments. Well, I am Indian. However, I am not ugly and most say (including white guys and girls) that I look above average. I am 5'10, pale and have an ok physique (not fat).

I had white girls into me too like when making out and stuff. And I know I am respectful to women but I just feel like the whole world is against me, like you know, when it comes to pickup (I also don't have a wingman). Before I started game, it was normal for people to be nice to me. Now it like a different world, it is normal for people to be not nice to me. However, I know I am not a creep or a harasser. Like yesterday in one of my approaches, this is what happened:-

Me:- "Hi, do you speak English?"
Girl:- "Yeah" (she made neutral face)

*I got scared of her reaction and lost confidence but still went thru with the approach*

Me:- "I saw you and I wanted to meet you. Hi I am x" (go for handshake)
Girl:- "Sorry I don't have time" (she takes my hand)
Me:- "Oh ok" (walk away)

*Then she made a face as if she feels guilty. She looks back at me while I walk away*

Girl:- "Sorry, I just don't have time. I hope you have a nice day"

This was unexpected for me. A girl feeling guilty. She literally still talked to me while I was walking away not looking at her. She stopped me that last second.

I know she liked my respectful approach. I know many girls loved my compliments or me just talking to them. But sometimes I am in this negative spiral due to social media, I guess. It's fucked up.

Sorry for the venting. Thanks for reading.
 

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I'll just mention this, but I won't harp on it because I don't want to hijack the thread, but I personally don't buy the "younger generation are more meek" argument. I think @lutgardis is experiencing something pretty common for inexperienced folks, and also everyone reacts/thinks about things different to an extent. It's true that younger generations are not as experienced due to being younger, but I'm just not so sure I buy into the Gen Z generation as being more meek. Daygame/nightgame can be a shock to the system when you're not used to it, for sure, so I get where the OP is coming from.

That's just my two cents anyway, everyone have a great day :)
 
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I'm just not so sure I buy into the Gen Z generation as being more meek.

For the record, I don’t buy it either.

However, overuse of that kind of language, identifying themselves by their self-assigned medical conditions and general self-victimization does reinforce that perception.
 
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As for @lutgardis, I am sorry I can’t provide more advice other than keep at it.

I am sure you know deep down that your insecurities and fears around approaching strangers are unfounded… even though you see those comments roasts in Instagram because:
1) There’s got to be positive comments among the negative ones.
2) You know IG isn’t real life.

You certainly need exposure. Spend some time doing it so you can become proficient and start getting consistent positive reactions.

Daygame works but it’s is hard at the beginning and it takes time…. and that’s why almost nobody does it.

But if you’re in your early 20s, you got your life ahead. Think of how smooth your approaches will be when you’re 30.
You’re going to sweep the place.

There’s no way out but forward.
 

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I am a very logical person. I think the reason I feel so anxious is because I don't want to be labelled as a creep or a harasser. I have instagram since some girls connect with me via instagram, including the ones who came on a date with me. Unfortunately, instagram also recommends me reels of Indian guys cold approaching and when you see the comments, it is always negative. ALWAYS. The interaction with the girl could have gone good but the people who comment always call the guy harasser, creep, etc and even send them death threats. If a white guy does it, there aren't that many negative comments. Well, I am Indian. However, I am not ugly and most say (including white guys and girls) that I look above average. I am 5'10, pale and have an ok physique (not fat).

I had white girls into me too like when making out and stuff. And I know I am respectful to women but I just feel like the whole world is against me, like you know, when it comes to pickup (I also don't have a wingman). Before I started game, it was normal for people to be nice to me. Now it like a different world, it is normal for people to be not nice to me. However, I know I am not a creep or a harasser. Like yesterday in one of my approaches, this is what happened:-

Me:- "Hi, do you speak English?"
Girl:- "Yeah" (she made neutral face)

*I got scared of her reaction and lost confidence but still went thru with the approach*

Me:- "I saw you and I wanted to meet you. Hi I am x" (go for handshake)
Girl:- "Sorry I don't have time" (she takes my hand)
Me:- "Oh ok" (walk away)

*Then she made a face as if she feels guilty. She looks back at me while I walk away*

Girl:- "Sorry, I just don't have time. I hope you have a nice day"

This was unexpected for me. A girl feeling guilty. She literally still talked to me while I was walking away not looking at her. She stopped me that last second.

I know she liked my respectful approach. I know many girls loved my compliments or me just talking to them. But sometimes I am in this negative spiral due to social media, I guess. It's fucked up.

Sorry for the venting. Thanks for reading.
dude straight up, don't watch that social media stuff. If you do watch, for educational purposes like seeing how other guys approach, don't go down a spiral reading the comments.

Social media is not an accurate representation of real life.

People talk a lot of shit behind their keyboards.

You got to learn to trust your own compass when navigating life.

If you are constantly filling your head with other people's opinions (which are often ridiculous and not rooted in reality). then you are actually dampening you're own inner compass.

The idea that approaching a woman defacto makes you a creep is patently absurd. As I am sure you can see from YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Now does that mean you will never creep a woman out? Maybe, maybe not. And I am certainly not advocating for just following whatever wild impulse and having no regard for your potential effect on others. But a woman could very well feel creeped out, even if you aren't actually even doing anything all that creepy.

That's just the nature of life. There is friction. Especially when you decide that you want to have some agency with the things you desire.

There are swings and arrows. And really only you can decide what you are willing to suffer to attain the things you want in life. Be it materialistic, or characteristic development.

Show me any one who has accomplished much of anything who didn't have some haters somewhere running their mouths.

Hell, you could just sit on your thumbs all day and their will probably be someone on the internet ready to talk shit on you, should they get the chance.

Cultural norms do count for a lot. And when you doing something that goes against the grain (to one degree or another), you can count on friction.

Pick up is against the grain. Especially in our current era. So expect that someone out there will be hating on you.

will you ever encounter those haters on real life? maybe to some degree, on the peripheral. You hear whispers. Petty gossip. But guess what?

Has very little bearing on how your life actually plays out. You still get pussy. You still have meaningful connections with the women you end up spending time with. You still have friendships with cool people. You still get to do all the things you set out to do.

Yes, you will have to manage your reputation and be mindful of it. Just comes with the package.

Truth is though, better you are with women, and people in general, people can't really say shit.

Hard to tell a guy he is a creep for approaching a women, when that woman becomes his friend, lover, wife, business partner. whatever.

It's funny how the unconventional people, the ones people love to hate on, often end up being the exceptional in their field. (not always the case, because you can be unconventional in all the wrong ways. but you get me).

So yes, be mindful of your approaches, but also don't let the voices in your head (or on social media for that matter) get the best of you.

For every imagined scenario of utter tragedy, there is also an equally possible reality of abundant success. The later is usually much more accurate to life than the former.

Or at the very least, somewhat neutral. Like that girl who told you she was busy and wished you a nice day 😊
 

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in fact I'm going to make the argument that your felt sense of trauma is not actually from cold approach at all. But instead it is from persistent engagement with negative social media (doom scrolling, as it is commonly called). Can actually be a subtle form of self harm (but I am not a psychology expert, so take with grain of salt).
 

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I will briefly add my perspective here. Most likely it varies from man to man.
Anyone else feel emotionally traumatized due to approach anxiety in daygame?
after I got home, the traumatizing effects of the approach anxiety I had to experience yesterday was still lingering in me.
For me:

Before the approach: Maybe there is some nervousness (there certainly was before developing experience), but the main problem is finding a way to execute smoothly and coming up with ideas. My understanding of the term "approach anxiety" is that it relates to the prelude to the approach, and not the aftermath, hence the term "anxiety" and not "regret".

During the approach: No nervousness, although there certainly was when I was first starting out. I remember when this first disappeared, and how surprised I was afterward, as if I had been observing myself from the outside.

After the approach: Definitely not "traumatized". On the contrary, I am pumped, regardless of outcome. I am quite a contrarian individual, which may be a contributing factor. I might be pissed at myself for making an obvious mistake, or missing an opportunity, or even feel a little embarrassed if I put my foot in it. But I have an extra spring in my step nonetheless. Again, I don't think it's correct to use the word "anxiety" to describe a feeling after the event.
 
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