Disciplining Yourself: The Wager

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Hey boys,

I've been crafting some educational posts. I want to begin with the self-discipline technique I used once I broke up with my girlfriend at the tail end of last year. My goal was to improve FAST; so to do that, I needed to go HARD with GC material. To this end, I made a wager with a few of my fraternity brothers, both those skeptical about PUA stuff and those supportive - I wanted a mixed crowd to keep me accountable.

What was the wager?

I must either go on one date every week OR sleep with a new girl. If I fail to do at least one of these every week, I will let each of the brothers I made this wager with paddle my ass.

I'm disciplined enough to approach girls without this, but it added an element of fun to it.


For those of who you lack the motivation or drive to actually approach girls, make a wager for yourself.

Examples

1. (Beginner) Every time you pass up on a girl you could have realistically approached, give your best friend $1.

2. (Intermediate) Every time you fail to number close a girl and have her agree to a date after you open, your best friend gets to bitch slap you. If this fear deters you from approaching, have a backup wager to prevent you from NOT approaching.

3. (Advanced) Every time you don't invite a girl home after talking to her for 1-2 hours AND every time you fail to overcome LMR, you must donate $20 to a charity you DESPISE.

3. (Master) On cold approach, you have 48 hours to bed her (if attraction is present; auto-rejections are allowed, because those happen all the time). On social circle approach, you have one week. You fail? Pay for everything on your next date (a slippery slope challenge; you fuck up once, and the difficulty gets harder).


Does this work? Well, I can say that 21 weeks have passed by and my ass hasn't been paddled...yet



Anatman

 

[Pato]

Anatman, I really like this. I've been struggling to start cold-approaching, so creating a way to make me more accountable is what I really needed. I'm not sure exactly what my wager will be, but this has definitely given me some ideas. This will help me become more and more comfortable approaching, and get me improving much more quickly than before because I'll be forcing myself to approach. Thanks for the idea.

-Pato

 

[Ross]

Seriously, no fuck ups on your part? What fun are things without a little paddling?

I always forced myself to go to the gym when I was starting out and I failed an approach. I'd sprint laps, then squat, then sprint again, then do heavy squats.

Then I strained my hamstring. I was unable to walk straight or sit in chairs so I got really frustrated because all I wanted to do was go home and lay in bed at the end of the day. Let that be a lesson; don't be stupid like I was.

If I'm counting today that's 2 slaps already... I'll start tomorrow #procasturbation

Try the opener, "I broke one of my rules, I need you to slap me HARD!" next time you go out . Do it on a larger set of girls to up the chances that one hooks under social pressure.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

If I'm counting today that's 2 slaps already... I'll start tomorrow #procasturbation
-Casanova

Did you follow through?

I passed up opening a girl who gave me obvious as fuck approach invitations two days ago. Felt like such a fucking newb. I'm gonna make my natural best friend dinner because of it (I raged when I realized how stupid I was; she smiled at me while we were walking, then she passed by a lawn mower, so I didn't want to open with that interference. AND THEN, she passed by like 3 people who I know pretty well. After this, she walked into a building. Just before she entered, she looked back at me and smiled. I felt like a goddamn social retard).

Anatman, I really like this. I've been struggling to start cold-approaching, so creating a way to make me more accountable is what I really needed. I'm not sure exactly what my wager will be, but this has definitely given me some ideas. This will help me become more and more comfortable approaching, and get me improving much more quickly than before because I'll be forcing myself to approach. Thanks for the idea.

Did you do any?!

Seriously, no fuck ups on your part? What fun are things without a little paddling?

I'm actually pretty surprised I pulled it off. It's 22 weeks now and my ass is still paddle-free (though sometimes we trade wood when we're drunk for fun). Getting dates is fucking cheesecake now; getting a kiss is cheesecake; fuck, getting a girl home is cheescake (I have a 100% success rate getting girls back to my room after a date). But my lay to date ratio fucking sucks at school. Most of my lays have been from parties (being a frat guy, it's my specialty).

I might need to update my challenge - if I don't at least finger a new girl every week, paddle. Or maybe bump it up to oral...

The fucking grind mannnn

How often do your dates translate to lays, Ross? I remember reading that Chase bats a .5 now.


Anatman

 

[Ross]

How often do your dates translate to lays, Ross? I remember reading that Chase bats a .5 now.

Dates to Lays? Probably a 0.5. Once I'm out on the date things get much easier for me, because I already know she's attracted. Most of the time that things don't work out is because I've friend-zoned her or decided that she would be trouble if I slept with her.

I always thought Chase was referring to 0.5 as his approach to lay ratio. I may have to compile some records from my journal and come up with actual statistics so I can determine where I was, and where I am now.

 

[Whizzy]

I was in the same boat as Ross. Once the date actually happened unless I friendzoned her or thought it was more trouble than it was worth (didn't always stop me lol) it was smooth sailing.

 

[Franco]

How often do your dates translate to lays, Ross?

You should also clarify as to whether or not you mean first dates, or just "a girl I've taken on a date that eventually became a lay" (regardless of number of dates). My date-to-lay ratio, believe it or not, is still 100% since starting this material on this website. But not every girl was one date... as a matter of fact, only about half of them I laid on the first date. One girl was actually 5 dates... I won't do that again, haha.

Approach-to-lay ratio is obviously much lower. If you're batting around or above .1 in that statistic, then you're probably doing pretty damn well. I haven't really kept track of how many women I've approached.

- Franco

 

[Whizzy]

I'm surprised you let it go past 3 dates Franco ;P

 

[Franco]

I'm surprised you let it go past 3 dates Franco ;P

That one was an experiment to see if I could still get the lay after 3 dates.

I did it get it though...!

- Franco

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

How often do your dates translate to lays, Ross? I remember reading that Chase bats a .5 now.

Dates to Lays? Probably a 0.5. Once I'm out on the date things get much easier for me, because I already know she's attracted. Most of the time that things don't work out is because I've friend-zoned her or decided that she would be trouble if I slept with her.

I always thought Chase was referring to 0.5 as his approach to lay ratio. I may have to compile some records from my journal and come up with actual statistics so I can determine where I was, and where I am now.

JESUS FUCK. Well, now I see where my weakness is. Everything right up until LMR is like 5th grade arithmetic (not counting the failed opens, of course). I'm probably coming off as too boyfriend-y.

And Franco, fuck you

Kinda disparaging, but more than anything else, it's motivational. I will get there soon

 

[Whizzy]

I think my worst was 9 dates before getting the lay, but did end up getting it! Not really worth it though obviously...as long as I get them on dates I've only messed up twice that I can remember. Getting them on dates was the only sticking point before

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Approaches aside, does anyone have some advice concerning sex in unusual places (e.g. bathroom)? I've only tried it once, which was exciting but she got waaay too emotional for me to handle... If I can get it down. I'll probably feel more confident on dates.


-Casanova

The girl I fucked in the alleyway in Prague was down for us fucking in the bathroom. Unfortunately, there was no door for the stall, so it might have failed had I gotten her in there, but I pulled off the alleyway, because 1. Was dominant 2. Already had her agreeing to sex.

To do it with a girl that you're unsure will comply? You go HARD. Be spontaneous and just fucking do it All of the technique to it is done BEFORE the aggressive escalation.


Anatman