Observations Ditzy Girls

[Mark E]

I was originally going to post this in "Observations", but since I am new at this, I figured I should post in "Beginners".
The other day I was thinking and realized something about girls who act ditzy. Now I am not talking about girls who are shallow or have lower intelligence. I am talking about girls who you can tell are acting that way on purpose and could very well be quite intelligent. I am still in high-school so it could be that this is not something you come across as much when you are older, but either way it was something that didn't seem to fit logically. It didn't make sense to me why they would act this way and what benefit it had, until something dawned on me.
If a woman is attractive and smart, most often they will end up with a large amount of men fawning over them, and supplicating to them. But this means that none of these men will be willing to make any sort of advances sexually. If a woman like this wants to be sexually active, this can be frustrating, because they will have to be making all of the moves.
Now a woman who is attractive, but comes across as shallow or less intelligent tends to get a completely different response. Men will not view her as some perfect woman who would never have sex with strangers, but rather an attractive woman who they will not value worthy of a relationship. This makes men much more willing to make moves, because it won't matter if they mess up with her and miss the opportunity and it seems she won't over-think anything they do or say.
So the reason a girl would want to act like the second example appears to be that they have either: found that they get more one night stands, or they have noticed that girls who act this way get said results. This really only seems to work for attractive girls, since ditzy unattractive girls don't really get much either type of guy. Which would explain why it might seem that most intelligent girls are unattractive, and why you envision a fairly hot girl when you hear the word ditzy. If this is the reason for girls acting like this, in a way, a girl playing dumb is actually being smart.
I'm sure there is more to this than what I have said, these are just my thoughts. I would love to hear what you all have to say about it.
-Mark

 

[Light]

Hey Mark,

I think you may be over thinking things a little. Girls are generally ditzy by nature. Simply put, they can multi task, but most of them won't be able to read a map. It is just how their brain works. They can be very acadmically intelligent, but they may also lack common sense. It is just the way it is.
So there is no need to analyse that too much. However, knowing this can put you in a great advantage, if you can just remember one thing:

Girls are Silly and Cute. Chase wrote a blog about this topic, which may be of interest to you:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/girls-silly-and-cute

Enjoy.


Light

 

[Chase]

Hey Mark,

I was originally going to post this in "Observations", but since I am new at this, I figured I should post in "Beginners".

Moved this one to Observations - it's actually a very solid and little-noticed phenomenon.

Some thoughts:

The other day I was thinking and realized something about girls who act ditzy. Now I am not talking about girls who are shallow or have lower intelligence. I am talking about girls who you can tell are acting that way on purpose and could very well be quite intelligent. I am still in high-school so it could be that this is not something you come across as much when you are older, but either way it was something that didn't seem to fit logically. It didn't make sense to me why they would act this way and what benefit it had, until something dawned on me.

Yes, I've seen these girls myself. Actually, I tested out the male version of ditzy myself in high school - at my first job, I decided to act as if I was kind of sluggish and forgetful mentally just to see how the treatment would change. I kept the ruse up for some time - with some rather unintelligent girls I worked with referring to me as "probably the dumbest guy I know" - until I ended up in a fight with the management at one point (long story) and had to make my case for why I should keep my job to my new manager - the girls said, "Chase, let us do all the talking," but instead I took over and delivered an eloquent address that was sufficient to see me reinstated (and the girls shocked and befuddled).

Just from that though, you see one of the benefits - when people see you as unintelligent, they also view you as non-threatening, and someone they should "take care of" - which is very beneficial to women.

If a woman is attractive and smart, most often they will end up with a large amount of men fawning over them, and supplicating to them. But this means that none of these men will be willing to make any sort of advances sexually. If a woman like this wants to be sexually active, this can be frustrating, because they will have to be making all of the moves.

I think you're close to it here, but it's slightly different. What happens is, most intelligent women tend to actually find that men are intimidated by their intellect, and won't date them.

Men instinctively seem to realize that its better for them if the woman needs them in a relationship - e.g., if his woman needs his income-earning potential, his intellect, his savvy, etc., then she'll want to date him. Relationships where the woman does not actually need the man do not last long, and it's rare to see long-lived relationships where the woman is more intelligent than the man or makes more money than him.

I've known some very intelligent women who chose to act ditzy: "Chaaaase! Oh my GOD, so good to SEE you!!!!!" Here are these women with Master's degrees and incomes higher than mine and brilliant minds, acting like run-of-the-mill Valley Girls. Why?

Because it broadens their dating pool, and makes people more willing to help them.

Intelligent women are frequently looked down on in society, and men are intimidated by them. But ditzy women? Oh yes, give her a hand! She needs help with her career! She needs people to take care of her! And... she's just so cuddly and likable!

Intellect tends to get lumped together with being cold and manipulative and self-sufficient and unlovable, while friendly ditzy people are thought of as warm and honest and in need of being taken care of and lovable. Little wonder then why so many otherwise intelligent women choose to present themselves in this way.

I'll give you one other anecdote: a woman I used to work doing business consulting with, in her mid-30s, changed her hair color every so often. She'd been a red-head when first I met her; but one day she showed up, back from a consulting trip to another city for a few weeks, as a blonde. And she reported that it was amazing the difference in the treatment she received; at the airport baggage claim, for instance, she never once had anyone help her collect her bags as a red-head - red-heads being viewed as fiery and self-sufficient. But, the instant she became a bottle blonde, every single time she went to collect her luggage she had some man help her get it. Blondes are typically thought of as ditzy, not very intelligent, and in need of being taken care of - and thus, she gets free help and attention.

If this is the reason for girls acting like this, in a way, a girl playing dumb is actually being smart.
I'm sure there is more to this than what I have said, these are just my thoughts. I would love to hear what you all have to say about it.
-Mark

Indeed. It's an intelligent, adaptive strategy. Women aren't stupid; they know that when most men think of "smart" women, they imagine some terrifying butch feminist yelling about how a man looked at her ass and should be imprisoned for sexual harassment and forced to pay her bills for life. So, they play down their intellect, act vulnerable and clueless, and get a bunch of people helping them out for free.

It's also worth noting that women have a hardcoded tendency to seek out men who will support them (e.g., men they place in the friend zone). These men provide insurance against a woman running out of resources, falling on hard times, or losing her mate; in a pinch, these backup men will make her life better and insure her survival. It's one of the reasons why 80% of women who reached adulthood throughout history have managed to reproduce, while only 40% of men have.

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hi Guys,

Dirtzy Girls, I somehow loved them. I can see through them. I seem to be intuitively know who is really ditzy and who is not. Apparently, i have had too many encounters with this kind of girls.

But just thoughts here, will you guys date this kind of girls? because they are strong, in a way, them as a person, they know who they are. So yea, will u take them as lovers and long term relations?

i have dated some, they are insecure too, although not much.

Zac

 

[Chase]

Hey Zac,

But just thoughts here, will you guys date this kind of girls? because they are strong, in a way, them as a person, they know who they are. So yea, will u take them as lovers and long term relations?

i have dated some, they are insecure too, although not much.

Zac

You're right, that's a very good read - they are a little insecure, but not much.

I've dated the intelligent-girl-pretending-to-be-a-ditzy-girl girls in the past. I won't date them anymore though, simply because I don't like deal with the degree of insecurity they do have, and because I find their false ditziness a little too fake... there's always just a hint of insincerity and them wanting you to react a certain way or do a certain thing (outcome dependence, we'd call it here) that's just a bit too unnerving for me. It is, I suppose you'd say, a little creepy for me, despite the fact that most men find them charming and appealing. Maybe I'm overly sensitive to it though.

Chase

 

[Franco]

I find their false ditziness a little too fake... there's always just a hint of insincerity and them wanting you to react a certain way or do a certain thing (outcome dependence, we'd call it here) that's just a bit too unnerving for me.

Chase brings up a great point here.

To be honest, I actually would prefer to date a girl who is "naturally" ditzy over one "pretending" to be ditzy. Naturally ditzy girls tend to be much more comfortable in their shoes and have just accepted the fact that that is who they are. They can be a lot of fun to be around and date because they don't take things too seriously or personally!

On the other hand, girls pretending to be ditzy are often manipulative (as Chase points out). They are trying to achieve something by being ditzy which shows a sense of insecurity. It also comes across as try-hard.

Not attractive. Just my take.

- Franco

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hi Chase and Franco,

Really thank you for the opinions. I was thinking about trying my luck on a fellow mate who was once my classmate in school. She's the kind that's very strong, a bit much like the Shy Excited Girl kind you all mention in an article quite long ago. But intuitively as i remember from the past girls, there's always this battle you have to be aware that she can hide things from you. that hint of insincerity. It can drive you nuts if you not careful though. It can be worrying also because ditzy and shy excited girls are both seamless at times.

Naturally ditzy girls tend to be much more comfortable in their shoes and have just accepted the fact that that is who they are. They can be a lot of fun to be around and date because they don't take things too seriously or personally!

Franco, Oh yea those girls are really fun, to tell you. You can laugh with them almost everyday. )!


Zac

 

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Hope this answers your question.

Zac

 

[vaquero]

Marylin Monro is a classical type of a ditzy girl, I think. Also all pin-up girls. And that's why men are fond of them

 

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