Do young women only want to date "genetically gifted" men?

[Musicman]

Ive seen countless men, most of whom were normal with no huge issues, go through this process and still have lackluster results even after a year (sometimes more) of hard work. This SHOULD NOT be the case. Having sex with women is one of the most natural things in the world. While its not rocket science, there is a science to learning complex skills quickly.

I wouldn’t say having sex with women is one of the most natural things in the world. If it was, this site wouldn‘t exist.

P.S. I feel like I need to add an important disclaimer onto this article: If you do not yet possess basic social skills and have the ability to engage with friends, coworkers, and other people you happen to meet naturally, trying to learn cold approach pick up is a waste of time. You must first learn how to connect with people in a normal way before trying to seduce random women.

True. But by the time the man learns how to connect with normal people, the hot girls are already pregnant by the Alpha Men. They are then left with the average normal looking girls, They don’t want that, and then they get bitter, and cycle re-starts.

But what can you do.

 

[Warped Mindless]

I wouldn’t say having sex with women is one of the most natural things in the world. If it was, this site wouldn‘t exist.





True. But by the time the man learns how to connect with normal people, the hot girls are already pregnant by the Alpha Men. They are then left with the average normal looking girls, They don’t want that, and then they get bitter, and cycle re-starts.

But what can you do.

Chase covered you first point in the reply above.

To the second, you act as if there are a finite amount of women on this planet…. There is essentially an unlimited number. The number of women who come of age (whatever age it is you prefer) is higher than the amount of women you can meet a year.

 

[ulrich]

True. But by the time the man learns how to connect with normal people, the hot girls are already pregnant by the Alpha Men. They are then left with the average normal looking girls, They don’t want that, and then they get bitter, and cycle re-starts.

But what can you do.

Date younger women

 

[Derek da man]

But what can you do.

the hot girls are already pregnant by the Alpha Men.

It seems clear to me you need to become one of the Alpha Males. Girls are not all after the same man (or men), they all have different tastes and likes in what they want from a man, but they probably all do have one commonality in what they don't want. They don't want someone who is negative and trying to fit in to what "she" wants or what society says they should want. She wants a man to be confident and strong and know himself.

As soon as you can loose the negative feelings about yourself and start being positive the advice above will work. It's not a quick fix and takes time but it does work. As per @Warped Mindless first post, sort out fundamentals and then work out some kind of outline plan, then start on small elements which don't currently work for you. There will be lots of failures but before each fail there will be a series of successes and you just need to keep focused on the fact that each time you move yourself a few steps further along the path towards your goal.

 

[Musicman]

Chase covered you first point in the reply above.

To the second, you act as if there are a finite amount of women on this planet…. There is essentially an unlimited number. The number of women who come of age (whatever age it is you prefer) is higher than the amount of women you can meet a year.

True, but the ones who “come of age” aren’t going to go after the ones who have the fundamentals, they are going to go after the ones who are genetically blessed.

I don’t think guys need fundamentals as much as it’s preached. All guys inherently know what to do, The problem stems from the fact that these (hot) girls are not virgins. That’s where everything gets confusing and destroyed.

I think it’s also why females are really outnumbering males at college, have more ambition, have more education, have more goals in life. Females know there will always be a beta guy willing to be there for them, to serve them, to look after them, to marry them at the snap of their fingers. They don’t like him, because ideally they want the Alpha Dog with the same level of education and 6’1, but they know he will always be there. Men don’t have this luxury, even if they kill themselves with education or fundamentals, they have to work to get an average looking non virgin by their sides.

Women will always value genetics over hard work.

 

[ulrich]

@Musicman, is this you or the black pill sites talking?

I suggest you print what you just wrote and read it to your sister or any female friend you have.
You’re in for a world of confusion when you start listening to how women’s lives actually work.

If you think women are more ambitious than men, you’ve clearly been fed ideas… you didn’t get that from reality.

 

[Warped Mindless]

True, but the ones who “come of age” aren’t going to go after the ones who have the fundamentals, they are going to go after the ones who are genetically blessed.

I don’t think guys need fundamentals as much as it’s preached. All guys inherently know what to do, The problem stems from the fact that these (hot) girls are not virgins. That’s where everything gets confusing and destroyed.

I think it’s also why females are really outnumbering males at college, have more ambition, have more education, have more goals in life. Females know there will always be a beta guy willing to be there for them, to serve them, to look after them, to marry them at the snap of their fingers. They don’t like him, because ideally they want the Alpha Dog with the same level of education and 6’1, but they know he will always be there. Men don’t have this luxury, even if they kill themselves with education or fundamentals, they have to work to get an average looking non virgin by their sides.

Women will always value genetics over hard work.

Do yourself a favor and stay off of blackpill forums dude. You have been brainwashed.

The vast majority of men do not have fundamentals. And yes, the majority are lame and just wanna smoke weed and play Xbox. That makes it very easy for you to rise above and stand out.

To say that women only care about looks is silly as fuck. Yes, you should work on your looks but you don’t understand how womens attraction works.

Stick around here, read the forums, ask questions. Whatever you do, vomit back up the blackpill bs you took because it won’t lead to happiness or success.

 

[Musicman]

@Musicman, is this you or the black pill sites talking?

Black pill sites talking:

1) The association of psychological science
2) USA today
3) CNN

Colleges Have a Guy Problem

American colleges and universities now enroll roughly six women for every four men. This is the largest female-male gender gap in the history of higher education, and it’s getting wider. Last year, U.S. colleges enrolled …

www.psychologicalscience.org

Men are skipping college. Here's why that trend could have devastating consequences.

Figuring out why men aren't enrolling in college should be a national priority. Department of Education should study how to reverse this trend.

www.usatoday.com

If you think women are more ambitious than men, you’ve clearly been fed ideas… you didn’t get that from reality.

If the Association of Psychological Science, USA today and CNN are not reality, what sites are reality?

 

[Musicman]

Do yourself a favor and stay off of blackpill forums dude. You have been brainwashed.

Don’t know any black pill sites. I report what I see everyday when I go outside.

The vast majority of men do not have fundamentals. And yes, the majority are lame and just wanna smoke weed and play Xbox. That makes it very easy for you to rise above and stand out.

None of my friends do this. They are educated, look decent, can carry a conversation type of people. They don’t stand out with young girls.

They stand out if the girl is 30+ and needs to lock down a man before she loses her looks. But if the girl is 18, fundamentals aren’t going to help.

To say that women only care about looks is silly as fuck. Yes, you should work on your looks but you don’t understand how womens attraction works.

Should have said women care about genetics up until a certain age as their priorities change over time,

 

[ulrich]

Don’t know any black pill sites. I report what I see everyday when I go outside.

Yeah, sure.
You see girls choose guys based on genetic markers and you can tell how non-virginity affects the psyche of women everyday when you go outside.

Don’t fool yourself. You read that somewhere.

 

[ulrich]

Black pill sites talking:

1) The association of psychological science
2) USA today
3) CNN

If the Association of Psychological Science, USA today and CNN are not reality, what sites are reality?

No, they are not. And certainly the decline of men in universities is a reality.
But... where did you pick that the decline is due to men being less ambitious?? I can tell you that idea didn't come from CNN

One of the reasons many men don't go to college is because of the increasing pay of blue collar jobs like forklift opeartor, builder and electrician.

A cousin of mine works the night shift as a forklift operator on a warehouse in Texas, he makes more than his brother who is a psychologist with two jobs.
If anything, going to college is starting to seem the less risky/less ambitious option.

 

[Will_V]

Black pill sites talking:

1) The association of psychological science
2) USA today
3) CNN

Colleges Have a Guy Problem

American colleges and universities now enroll roughly six women for every four men. This is the largest female-male gender gap in the history of higher education, and it’s getting wider. Last year, U.S. colleges enrolled …

www.psychologicalscience.org

Men are skipping college. Here's why that trend could have devastating consequences.

Figuring out why men aren't enrolling in college should be a national priority. Department of Education should study how to reverse this trend.

www.usatoday.com

If the Association of Psychological Science, USA today and CNN are not reality, what sites are reality?

When you are in a haze of misery you should avoid science and news, they are the last thing you need and far too abstract and complex for what you are trying to read into them. Besides, CNN is complete bs. Instead, you should be focusing on what is in front of you, and what the world is telling you to your face, and what you can do about that.

There are reasons why men are not going to college, and it's not about ambition. What highly successful entrepreneur have you ever heard of that said 'kids if you want to be like me get a degree'? Most of them are college dropouts. Everyone knows universities are mostly useless gatekeepers that are more interested in 'progressive' teachings than anything useful, and your degree is not much more than a passport to the matrix. The problem of masculinity and the messing up of men's lives going on today is incredibly complex and has little to do with women per se. You're just confusing yourself by attributing it all to some simplified narrative that is rooted in your general angst and negativity and not in reality.

Your simplified concepts, use of specific terminology and capital letters shows that you are mired in the theoretical teachings of a whole section of the male population who have decided that they would rather live in their head than in the real world, would rather have a good reason to be miserable than go through the pain of reaching success.

Go outside my friend. Walk through the mall, how many 'genetically ungifted' men do you see with hot girlfriends? Go to these 'Alpha Males' you have so easily relinquished your frame to, and see if there is not something that you can learn from them that isn't just your emotional reaction.

Spend some months or years working on yourself to become the absolute best version of yourself, learning with curiosity and humility and grace rather than projecting anxiety and defensive egotism, and you will find all kinds of doors opened that you never even knew existed.

That is the only thing I can say. Nothing I tell you about reality will stick, because you don't live in it, you have to discover it for yourself. It's not easy, but it is possible if you want it.

 

[Musicman]

No, they are not. And certainly the decline of men in universities is a reality.
But... where did you pick that the decline is due to men being less ambitious?? I can tell you that idea didn't come from CNN

Why are young women more ambitious than men? | CNN

Kathleen Gerson says that since traditional gender roles are eroding, no wonder young women have higher earning aspirations than young men.

www.cnn.com

One of the reasons many men don't go to college is because of the increasing pay of blue collar jobs like forklift opeartor, builder and electrician.

A cousin of mine works the night shift as a forklift operator on a warehouse in Texas, he makes more than his brother who is a psychologist with two jobs.
If anything, going to college is starting to seem the less risky/less ambitious option.

Good point.

 

[Musicman]

When you are in a haze of misery you should avoid science and news, they are the last thing you need and far too abstract and complex for what you are trying to read into them. Besides, CNN is complete bs.

Is there any news program that is not bs?

Instead, you should be focusing on what is in front of you, and what the world is telling you to your face, and what you can do about that.

There are reasons why men are not going to college, and it's not about ambition. What highly successful entrepreneur have you ever heard of that said 'kids if you want to be like me get a degree'? Most of them are college dropouts. Everyone knows universities are mostly useless gatekeepers that are more interested in 'progressive' teachings than anything useful, and your degree is not much more than a passport to the matrix. The problem of masculinity and the messing up of men's lives going on today is incredibly complex and has little to do with women per se. You're just confusing yourself by attributing it all to some simplified narrative that is rooted in your general angst and negativity and not in reality.

Masculinity and messing up men’s lives has “little to do with women?”

Why do you think we have wars? Because of women
Why do you think men are so competitive? Because of women
Why do you think men care so much about money? Because of women

Men manipulate the world. Women manipulate men, Hurrem Sultan didn’t get so powerful because of her brains.

Your simplified concepts, use of specific terminology and capital letters shows that you are mired in the theoretical teachings of a whole section of the male population who have decided that they would rather live in their head than in the real world, would rather have a good reason to be miserable than go through the pain of reaching success.

Sorry bro, no idea what you are talking about here.

Go outside my friend. Walk through the mall, how many 'genetically ungifted' men do you see with hot girlfriends?

Not many. Every young hot girl I see is with a man who is at least 6’1.

Go to these 'Alpha Males' you have so easily relinquished your frame to, and see if there is not something that you can learn from them that isn't just your emotional reaction.

I think I did once. He told me “you just need some height.”

I haven’t relinquished frame. Society loves them, not me. Society and investors paid Leonardo DiCaprio $10,000,000 to have sex with Margot Robbie. Society and investors paid Michael Douglas $14,000,000 to have sex with a Sharon Stone.

Who’s the sucker?

Spend some months or years working on yourself to become the absolute best version of yourself, learning with curiosity and humility and grace rather than projecting anxiety and defensive egotism, and you will find all kinds of doors opened that you never even knew existed.

That is the only thing I can say. Nothing I tell you about reality will stick, because you don't live in it, you have to discover it for yourself. It's not easy, but it is possible if you want it.

I agree all men should do this.

Yet by the time a man does this, the hot girl has been rode hard and put away wet.

Brutal.

 

[ulrich]

Why are young women more ambitious than men? | CNN

Kathleen Gerson says that since traditional gender roles are eroding, no wonder young women have higher earning aspirations than young men.

www.cnn.com

The title is misleading.

The fact that most young women think of a successful career in a company as a meter of success doesn’t mean they are doing what is needed to achieve it.
Wanting and achieving are different things.

At the same way, the fact that men don’t see success in a white collar job might be rooted in the reality of the job market, not necessarily a lack of drive.

In reality most of your middle to top manager executives are going to be male.

This is what mass media do.
They grab whatever data they can to push the narratives they want to push (“young women are ambitious”, feminism win) irrespective of the veracity of it or its implications.

Is there any news program that is not bs?

Nope.
To a varying degree, they all are pushing their ideas into the viewer.
The subjects they select to report and their commentary push a narrative at the same time they “inform”.

It’s like going to church just disguised as “latest news”.

Hence why you need to go outside and make your own conclusions.

I haven’t relinquished frame. Society loves them, not me. Society and investors paid Leonardo DiCaprio $10,000,000 to have sex with Margot Robbie. Society and investors paid Michael Douglas $14,000,000 to have sex with a Sharon Stone.

Who’s the sucker?

Where the fuck are you picking this up???

“Society” paid millions of dollars for a man to have sex with a woman.

You’ve been reading bullshit sites.

If you don’t believe it is bullshit, I challenge you to show proof.

 

[Winston]

Regarding the job marketplace, things are changing quickly in big corporations. There is a big push for parity between males and females in management positions.

Meaning females are hired and promoted mainly because they are females, and better qualified males are left on the side. This is field tested, not something I make up. In my last job, I lost a promotion in favor to a female who was inferior on all objective criterion. I known several other people that relate the same experience.

I don't really care because I planned to quit anyways but it is what it is. In big corporation, in the West, there is now a kind of systemic discrimination against men in the job marketplace. I think the end of primacy of skills in the workplace is going to be a big factor in the demise of this civilisation.

 

[ElderPrice]

Why even ask this question when you already think you know the answer and firmly believe it?

 

[Regal Tiger]

Black pill sites talking:

1) The association of psychological science
2) USA today
3) CNN

Colleges Have a Guy Problem

American colleges and universities now enroll roughly six women for every four men. This is the largest female-male gender gap in the history of higher education, and it’s getting wider. Last year, U.S. colleges enrolled …

www.psychologicalscience.org

Men are skipping college. Here's why that trend could have devastating consequences.

Figuring out why men aren't enrolling in college should be a national priority. Department of Education should study how to reverse this trend.

www.usatoday.com

All I see is good news across the board! In like 5 or so years I forsee fewer kangaroo courts kicking men out for looking at a woman (slight exaggeration) and an absolute field day of women hooking up to try and keep a man around!

*insert hulk meme* I see this as an absolute win!

Picking up on college campus' is going to make a comeback baby! Mark my words!

If the Association of Psychological Science, USA today and CNN are not reality, what sites are reality?

Honestly never heard of the first one, but the second two are definitely not reality. They're trash sites designed to make you mad to get more eyeballs on their shit for their ad revenue to kick more money into their pocket

 

[Regal Tiger]

Is there any news program that is not bs?

A question I agree with but makes me want to ask: then why are you using the news to fortify your own points?

Why do you think we have wars? Because of women

Maybe if this was Troy...

Nowadays it's all about money and power

Why do you think men are so competitive? Because of women

Testosterone causes us to be more competitive

Women are a small part of that, sure I'll give you that. But it's also within is to want to be the best that we can be, to dominate the people in front of us and to prove that we're better on an animalistic level

You see this in the most extreme forms with professional athletes. Someone like Michael Jordon for example. I'm sure women played their role in what he did, but this man was motivated the most by competition in its purest form!

The man got bored on the basketball court until someone started shit talking him. He needed another MAN to shit talk him for him to want to go all out. And he did...

Why do you think men care so much about money? Because of women

Women, power, resources, nice things, freedom, experiences, just to name a few off the top of my head

Men manipulate the world. Women manipulate men, Hurrem Sultan didn’t get so powerful because of her brains.

While I don't recognize the name, I agree with the point overall (though it is a bit simplistic/watered down). But doesn't this mean that women need men whereas men don't need women? Wouldn't that make men more powerful? Aren't you a man? Why are you so concerned with virgins and used up women and etc.?

I don't mean to misrepresent what you're saying, genuinely curious

Not many. Every young hot girl I see is with a man who is at least 6’1.

A big reason for that is that they're the most dominant among young men. Women go after dominance

Here's a great example actually; I lost out on a stripper to a guy purely because he was the son of the owner of a strip club. I'm more ambitious than him, I'm trying to do more with my life than him, I know how to do a lot more things than him, I'm more muscular, good-looking and taller. Got broader shoulders and an overall better build

But his dad owns the strip club so he's automatically more dominant than me. Therefore he got the girl

The women aren't as interested in me as they are these two guys because they win on dominance in that niche


So again, the reason that you're seeing young, hot women with tall and built men is because they're the most dominant in those spaces. It's not the height that gets them women, it's the dominance

I haven’t relinquished frame. Society loves them, not me. Society and investors paid Leonardo DiCaprio $10,000,000 to have sex with Margot Robbie. Society and investors paid Michael Douglas $14,000,000 to have sex with a Sharon Stone.

Do you mind if I ask how old you are? Are you in college? Genuinely curious because I think this will help us understand your situation better. I dunno if you've already mentioned it or not so if you have then my bad

Who’s the sucker?

Those men put in an UNGODLY amount of work to become famous in their profession, which is acting. They're high up in status and dominance. You're discounting the untold amounts of hours of work they hammered on their craft. How is it that you should get the same results as them when you haven't put in the same work that they have?

I agree all men should do this.

Yet by the time a man does this, the hot girl has been rode hard and put away wet.

Brutal.

You know what else is brutal?

https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/slideshow/2504530/celebrity-men-dating-younger-women/

All these old men dating women half their age who aren't used up. The exact same thing that you, yourself can do if you choose to do something about it. Men, I believe have a harder road ahead of them, but it can be more fulfilling because we're in control of our destinies (at least more so compared to women, my personal belief)

 

[Bismarck]

Believing young hot girls only want muscular jocks is an easy copout from testing yourself, getting rejected/blown out, going out and approaching the hottest girls you see on the street during the day or in the early evening.

On top of that, I'd add applying the appropriate tech, as opposed to doing the social terrorist "neo-direct" approaches telling bitches you think they're hot and you wanna smash off of the opener.

I say good riddance. Less competition. The crown jewels will only go to those who dare try. Survival of the fittest and all that.