Does using condoms signal a person is not totally into another person? What about pulling out? What about "don't cum inside me"?

[Rain]

From another thread @Chase wrote:

Condoms are a major pattern interrupt. They signal "sex is happening" but they also tell the girl you're not completely into it yourself... because if you were, you'd be so mad for her, so desperate, you'd never even consider putting a condom on... "I'm going to reach for this manmade device and place it over my shaft to guard against reproduction and any possible venereal diseases you might carry" is a real mood killer.

I don't recall having a problem of asking a woman "do you have any condoms" and that ending the sex. Nor do I recall "I'll be back" and then coming back into the room with a condom. This was women at my house or their house, not in a public place like the where the quote above came from so:

1. The quote above, does that apply only to public places eg "he's(or she as well if she's the one asking?) not that into it with me" or does it apply to at home in bedroom?
1b. Does it only apply to fast sex like the person in the quoted thread? eg my own examples were not sex in 60mins or something it was longer 'seduction'. A few hours of seduction/getting to know the person/hanging out.

2. Do condoms really actually mean the person is not that into the other person? What about safe sex? You don't even know the person if they'd make a good partner or their sti history when you've only known them for a 60mins or even a few hours?
"well we have all sorts of antibiotics" <-- IBS from antibiotics or IBS from too much antibiotics? How about sti antibiotic resistance?
"morning after pill" <-- A lot of hassle, making sure she actually wants to take it bla bla. How about side effects she might have?

At the same time, there could be alot of truth to "a condom and/or don't cum inside", meaning the other person isn't totally into the first person. Maybe you start out having condom sex but noncondom sex feels so much better so you go for that? But then you start being selective.... condoms with less attractive and nocondoms with more attractive? Or maybe you decide nope not worth the risk ,just always use a condom until really ready for a family. Then again there's the pullout method which would , most likely, not result in a family if not ready for that. That doesn't fix the disease risk though. Many variables.
Anyways.... onto the next questions and keep in mind my discussion so far:

3. If a woman says "do you have a condom" or won't allow penetration without a condom, she is not completely into the man either?

4. If a man is having/about to have vaginal intercourse without a condom and a woman says "don't cum inside me" is that a signal, that she is not completely into the man?

5. If a man says "I can't cum inside you" or pulls out without saying that, is that a signal, that he is not completely into the woman?

 

[Skills]

From another thread @Chase wrote:



I don't recall having a problem of asking a woman "do you have any condoms" and that ending the sex. Nor do I recall "I'll be back" and then coming back into the room with a condom. This was women at my house or their house, not in a public place like the where the quote above came from so:

1. The quote above, does that apply only to public places eg "he's(or she as well if she's the one asking?) not that into it with me" or does it apply to at home in bedroom?
1b. Does it only apply to fast sex like the person in the quoted thread? eg my own examples were not sex in 60mins or something it was longer 'seduction'. A few hours of seduction/getting to know the person/hanging out.

2. Do condoms really actually mean the person is not that into the other person? What about safe sex? You don't even know the person if they'd make a good partner or their sti history when you've only known them for a 60mins or even a few hours?
"well we have all sorts of antibiotics" <-- IBS from antibiotics or IBS from too much antibiotics? How about sti antibiotic resistance?
"morning after pill" <-- A lot of hassle, making sure she actually wants to take it bla bla. How about side effects she might have?

At the same time, there could be alot of truth to "a condom and/or don't cum inside", meaning the other person isn't totally into the first person. Maybe you start out having condom sex but noncondom sex feels so much better so you go for that? But then you start being selective.... condoms with less attractive and nocondoms with more attractive? Or maybe you decide nope not worth the risk ,just always use a condom until really ready for a family. Then again there's the pullout method which would , most likely, not result in a family if not ready for that. That doesn't fix the disease risk though. Many variables.
Anyways.... onto the next questions and keep in mind my discussion so far:

3. If a woman says "do you have a condom" or won't allow penetration without a condom, she is not completely into the man either?

4. If a man is having/about to have vaginal intercourse without a condom and a woman says "don't cum inside me" is that a signal, that she is not completely into the man?

5. If a man says "I can't cum inside you" or pulls out without saying that, is that a signal, that he is not completely into the woman?

context matters, the answer from chase was from a dude doing fast public sex in a public place, his mechanics to pull out the condom did pattern interrupt, which allowed her logical mind to kick in and cause asd, but this also speculation chase reasoning, but could be as i said:

- she was giving him a bj, but did not want to bang cause she wants to see him again.
- she was scare of the increase risk of getting caught due to timing inside the public place
- she had her period (but i doubt it was this cause she would have said it, but still possibility)
- she was not shaved or higine at this point not optimal.

^ it could be a million reasons...

2.- none sense
3.- none sense
4.-none sense
5.- none sense..

 

[Chase]

@Rain,

If she's made up her mind to have sex with you, her seeing you take out or refer to or ask about condoms doesn't have any negative impact.

If she's in 'go-with-the-flow' mode, where she is basically operating at an instinctive (highly aroused, but not fully rational) level, and you pull out a condom in an un-smooth way, or mention/ask about it in an un-smooth way, it's a pattern interrupt. She is now out of instinctive mode, into logical decision mode, and it is out of your hands what she decides. Taking out the condom in an un-smooth way when she's running on instinct is basically injecting a wild card into your own seduction.

If she's mostly bought in but not totally, letting her see the condom at all can be a pattern interrupt, depending on her feelings about you, casual sex in general, and condom. Condoms = casual sex. In pretty much every girl's mind, that's what they are. Many of the girls you hook up with quick may be down for casual sex, but if you're good, you will sometimes be picking up girls who have never had casual sex, and for whom the idea of being fucked by a guy for whom they are just a casual lay is jarring. Or they may enjoy casual sex, but not want to feel like it's casual. Or they may just not care.

2. Do condoms really actually mean the person is not that into the other person?

Into enough to fuck? Yes.

Into enough for all sense and reason to be overriden? No.

Sex is an instinctive act. Putting on condoms is not.

Imagine two women:

• Woman A is smiling as you undress her, and asks you, "Do you have a condom?"
  
  
• Women B is moaning and writhing as you undress her, and the moment you're both naked she is thrusting the mound of her pussy right at your cock, begging you, "Put it innnnn. Put it innnnnnnn!" You're pretty sure she has no idea whether there is a condom on you or not, nor does she appear to care

Which woman is more sexually attracted to you?

Easy answer, right?

What about safe sex? You don't even know the person if they'd make a good partner or their sti history when you've only known them for a 60mins or even a few hours?

Logical, reasonable considerations.

Not emotional/instinctive ones.

Most men, even men who are complete germaphobes who want never to have children, will sooner or later meet a woman who is so hot, whom they are so desirous of, that they don't want or care to put a condom on, even if they would with almost every other girl.

That wanting is not a logical decision, and they may even regret it later if it violates their normal safe sex practices (or they realize the girl was not as high value or pure or whatever as they thought, and that instead they were just really horny).

But, in the moment, they will be running on instinct, rather than reason.

"well we have all sorts of antibiotics" <-- IBS from antibiotics or IBS from too much antibiotics? How about sti antibiotic resistance?
"morning after pill" <-- A lot of hassle, making sure she actually wants to take it bla bla. How about side effects she might have?

If a woman is wildly into you, she is not calmly planning for the future during the escalation.

Instead, she is trapped completely in the present, yearning for consummation of the sex she so very much wants.

3. If a woman says "do you have a condom" or won't allow penetration without a condom, she is not completely into the man either?

Yes.

Any girl who insists on condoms, has or sooner or later will have some guy who beds her down that she does not request that for.

When you're good with girls, and your fundamentals are excellent, most girls are not going to care if you use condoms. Many will try to get you to not use them.

4. If a man is having/about to have vaginal intercourse without a condom and a woman says "don't cum inside me" is that a signal, that she is not completely into the man?

Yes.

That said, the level of conscientiousness does vary among women.

e.g.,:

• Sloppy/messy Amber will let any guy she's 5/10 attracted to or more shag her condomless, and any guy she's 7/10 attracted to or more bust in her
  
  
• Neat freak germaphobe Stephanie will not let a guy shag her condomless unless she's 9/10 attracted to him, and she won't let him cum in her unless she's 10/10 attracted to him... and even then she'll regret it afterwards

5. If a man says "I can't cum inside you" or pulls out without saying that, is that a signal, that he is not completely into the woman?

The words, yes. "I can't [anything]" sounds like you are under control of a higher power, dictating your actions. If you really wanted it, you'd overcome that higher power stifling you.

The deed without the words, not necessarily. Maybe he's teasing her. Maybe he was lost in passion for her, but then he regained his faculties.

tl;dr: if she's rationally sold on sex and has decided on it, you can take condoms out and not have it serve as a pattern interrupt.

If she isn't... if she's in instinctive mode... then you waving condoms around or talking about condoms is going to pass through a filter of:

• "Oh, we're having sex. Am I ready to have sex?"
• "This is casual sex. How do I feel about casual sex?"
• "Rain wants to have casual sex with me. Do I want that with him too?"

If she decides, "Yes, I want sex. I like / would like to try casual sex. Casual sex with Rain seems fine," she won't care.

If she decides, "I'm not ready for sex," or, "I don't like the idea of casual sex," or, "I might want to have sex, and I'm okay with casual sex, but I thought this was a more romantic/passionate seduction, and Rain taking a condom out like that has just killed the mood," you will have issues.

So the safest play is to simply not let her see you put on the condom. You get all the girls you'd have gotten with the condom, plus all the girls you'd have gotten without it.

Some girls will check after you go into them (always the girls who WANT you wearing one): "Are you wearing a condom?" --> "Yes" --> green light

Other girls who don't want you wearing a condom will just assume you're not and won't check. Post-sex you will sometimes get: "Did you wear a condom?" --> "Yes" --> [disappointed look on her] "Oh. I didn't think you wore one"

Either way, putting it on without making it obvious is always the highest odds play. It pays to get good at tearing the condom package and putting it on one-handed. Always keep one in your front pant pockets (or move one quickly there when you know sex is coming), plus one in a drawer or under a pillow right by your bed.

Chase

 

[Skills]

ok guys i just want to clarify and give a different perspective, and stop being lazy and offer value other than "none sense" but i will explain the "none sense" answers....

- First I have found out that the younger batch of millennials and gen z = pretty much a condomless culture does not mean they are more attracted to you... The reason i am clarifying and nitpicking on chase post, is cause you will be fucking condomless you will be "chase says this is happening cause she likes me a 10" then you will overreached, trust me i know this forum like the palm of my hand, and half forum post everybody reaching erroneous causations correlations....

- there is a difference between attracted enough vs HORNY AND SEXUALLY AROUSED enough, the ladder is what will give you condomless sex no the attraction enough... so if the girl is attracted to a guy 10 but sexually aroused 5 vs attracted 5 sexually aroused 10 the ladder will have the condomless sex.

- If the girl had a recent std scare or pregnancy scare or recent abortion and she likes you a 10 is not cause she likes you 5 is cause her trauma, bad experience is fresh.

- Some women in the medical field (doctors, some nurses), can like you a 10 and make you wear condoms at least the first round, then with all the compliance you can eventually take it off.

- I got into a huge fight with Velasco (rip) cause he did not understand that women were making him use condoms since "corona" i told him this is none sense, as always a 100 day fight over this stupid shit, then he apologized and told me i was right, we finally nail it down to the real issue, "he was meeting this hetero women in high risk "bi/gay club" environment, sometimes women in this high risk environment at least in usa will make you wear condoms. (again at least the first round)

- I have fucked women that are allergic to "latex" they will fuck you with no condom does not mean they like me 10.

- when you bang women, they usually don't go "please don't cum inside" unless you are SLEEPING WITH her MULTIPLE TIMES, and you keep busting inside of her..... There are some reasons other than "you are not attractive enough" why a girl does not want you to bust inside of her, for example cum can dry her inside, and fuck with her ph.... My girl has onitis on steroids on me and she does not like me cumming inside, when i cum inside and i talk about this before drives her crazy(insanity).... Again as i said previously in the forum we suspect that since i am on trt (testosteron replacement) when i bust inside of her i am fucking her hormones (this is kj, could be causation correlation, i never had an answer got banned from hormone forum for this questions, the social justice warriors did not like the "me cumming inside of her")

I have a condomless routine that is super high odds i am talking super high odds not high odds, i totally show condom, now unlikely to work in public place, here it is (i am going to delete from forum in couple of days, i don't want to teach dark seduction in the public forum)



"In before you explain to me how “water is wet” in other words don’t come at me with “if the girl is horny enough she will let you go raw anyways”, fuck off! I already know that.

Now that we discuss the negatives lets’ talk about the benefits:

1.- Better sexual experience. Going raw gives you and her better sexual pleasure.

2.- More compliance from the women that translate into more investment, retention and attachment. Some of them backward rationalize going raw with you as liking you more than the rest of the dudes (boyfriend, hubby territory)

3.- Connection… Some women may associate it with more connection.

So how do we do this:

1.- As you are about to bang, you have the condoms out, and you insist on using protection, as casual convo, you can screen a bit here: “you are on the pill” right, “you are clean right” calibration crucial, talking like no big deal, and like you are super concern about your health…

2.- You do your stuff, for example me, massage, then i finger them, eat them out, at this point i usually get a blow job, then condom, then i fuck them, with condom on…

Now here are some techniques:

a.- How naturals with mediocre/weak game do it (NOT RECOMMENDED).- they would fuck them doggy style for a good 5-10 minutes, pull the condom out and fuck them raw. This in my opinion is criminal, is not seduction, and is borderline rape or a crime.

How guys with game aka the skills method do it ( i need a bit of validation, thank you):

All of my game style is having the girl make actions that come from them, so i am a puppet master, most women even after dating me for years, think all the actions come from them. (even my break up, it was my plan all along, just that at the end i did not know it would hit me so hard, and then I change my mind, but it was too late)

Ok back on the game plan.-

Step 1.- As you are having sex with the condom on, preferably while doing the missionary position, to pull off this technique, you will say in your own style “condom is dry or uncomfortable or whatever” time to change it.

Step 2.- You will take the condom out open it, put it next to you, jerk off (the sub-communication is you have to be hard to put the condom on).

Step 3.- As you are jerking of about 1 feet away in the missionary position with the condom visible to her in the bed or on top of one of her legs (with the subcommunication you will put it on), you will proceed to grab her hand and put it on your dick while you grab the condom (again visible to her) as she has the legs open like in gyno chair you in front jerking of as you are about to enter, but again one feet away.

Step 4.- As you have the condom in your hand, you will say as you get a bit close smoothly to her vagina with a condom in one of your hands, you wills say “cont. to jerk me off, DO NOT PUT IT IN, just jerk me off” again, the condom in your hand like you are about to put it…

step 5.- You will cont. to say as you get close to her vagina without INTEND TO PENETRATE, “cont. to jerk me off, rub it against your clit, do not let it in please”

step 6- As she is rubbing the head of your dick jerking you off against her clit, you will pull back and say “do not let it in”, with a commanding voice and eye contact like a authority figure.

step 7.- Repeat the process, and as she is rubbing the dick against her clit, you will grab it and cont. to jerk it against her clit but you will slip upwards to the pelvis instead of downwards to the inside.

step 8.- Repeat step 7 till you have enough compliance, then slip inside, she will let you, and she has already decided in her mind since step 5 that she wanted it in raw…

I have almost 100% success rate with this method, only 1 girl has failed this method who was the daughter of a Gyno. Everybody else including about dozens of girls in the medical profession i have been able to fuck raw if i wanted too… Caveat.- That was during my prime, now I use condoms with the majority of the women in my rotation."

How to fuck a girl raw (forbidden seduction series) - The Skills Method

Simple steps that I have used to successfully fuck women raw.

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[TomInHo]

Maybe I'm paranoid, But not really a fan of smashing girls raw

My worst nightmare is getting the wrong girl pregnant at the wrong time

 

[Chase]

This whole post is wonderful:

ok guys i just want to clarify and give a different perspective, and stop being lazy and offer value other than "none sense" but i will explain the "none sense" answers....

- First I have found out that the younger batch of millennials and gen z = pretty much a condomless culture does not mean they are more attracted to you... The reason i am clarifying and nitpicking on chase post, is cause you will be fucking condomless you will be "chase says this is happening cause she likes me a 10" then you will overreached, trust me i know this forum like the palm of my hand, and half forum post everybody reaching erroneous causations correlations....

- there is a difference between attracted enough vs HORNY AND SEXUALLY AROUSED enough, the ladder is what will give you condomless sex no the attraction enough... so if the girl is attracted to a guy 10 but sexually aroused 5 vs attracted 5 sexually aroused 10 the ladder will have the condomless sex.

- If the girl had a recent std scare or pregnancy scare or recent abortion and she likes you a 10 is not cause she likes you 5 is cause her trauma, bad experience is fresh.

- Some women in the medical field (doctors, some nurses), can like you a 10 and make you wear condoms at least the first round, then with all the compliance you can eventually take it off.

- I got into a huge fight with Velasco (rip) cause he did not understand that women were making him use condoms since "corona" i told him this is none sense, as always a 100 day fight over this stupid shit, then he apologized and told me i was right, we finally nail it down to the real issue, "he was meeting this hetero women in high risk "bi/gay club" environment, sometimes women in this high risk environment at least in usa will make you wear condoms. (again at least the first round)

- I have fucked women that are allergic to "latex" they will fuck you with no condom does not mean they like me 10.

- when you bang women, they usually don't go "please don't cum inside" unless you are SLEEPING WITH her MULTIPLE TIMES, and you keep busting inside of her..... There are some reasons other than "you are not attractive enough" why a girl does not want you to bust inside of her, for example cum can dry her inside, and fuck with her ph.... My girl has onitis on steroids on me and she does not like me cumming inside, when i cum inside and i talk about this before drives her crazy(insanity).... Again as i said previously in the forum we suspect that since i am on trt (testosteron replacement) when i bust inside of her i am fucking her hormones (this is kj, could be causation correlation, i never had an answer got banned from hormone forum for this questions, the social justice warriors did not like the "me cumming inside of her")

I have a condomless routine that is super high odds i am talking super high odds not high odds, i totally show condom, now unlikely to work in public place, here it is (i am going to delete from forum in couple of days, i don't want to teach dark seduction in the public forum)



"In before you explain to me how “water is wet” in other words don’t come at me with “if the girl is horny enough she will let you go raw anyways”, fuck off! I already know that.

Now that we discuss the negatives lets’ talk about the benefits:

1.- Better sexual experience. Going raw gives you and her better sexual pleasure.

2.- More compliance from the women that translate into more investment, retention and attachment. Some of them backward rationalize going raw with you as liking you more than the rest of the dudes (boyfriend, hubby territory)

3.- Connection… Some women may associate it with more connection.

So how do we do this:

1.- As you are about to bang, you have the condoms out, and you insist on using protection, as casual convo, you can screen a bit here: “you are on the pill” right, “you are clean right” calibration crucial, talking like no big deal, and like you are super concern about your health…

2.- You do your stuff, for example me, massage, then i finger them, eat them out, at this point i usually get a blow job, then condom, then i fuck them, with condom on…

Now here are some techniques:

a.- How naturals with mediocre/weak game do it (NOT RECOMMENDED).- they would fuck them doggy style for a good 5-10 minutes, pull the condom out and fuck them raw. This in my opinion is criminal, is not seduction, and is borderline rape or a crime.

How guys with game aka the skills method do it ( i need a bit of validation, thank you):

All of my game style is having the girl make actions that come from them, so i am a puppet master, most women even after dating me for years, think all the actions come from them. (even my break up, it was my plan all along, just that at the end i did not know it would hit me so hard, and then I change my mind, but it was too late)

Ok back on the game plan.-

Step 1.- As you are having sex with the condom on, preferably while doing the missionary position, to pull off this technique, you will say in your own style “condom is dry or uncomfortable or whatever” time to change it.

Step 2.- You will take the condom out open it, put it next to you, jerk off (the sub-communication is you have to be hard to put the condom on).

Step 3.- As you are jerking of about 1 feet away in the missionary position with the condom visible to her in the bed or on top of one of her legs (with the subcommunication you will put it on), you will proceed to grab her hand and put it on your dick while you grab the condom (again visible to her) as she has the legs open like in gyno chair you in front jerking of as you are about to enter, but again one feet away.

Step 4.- As you have the condom in your hand, you will say as you get a bit close smoothly to her vagina with a condom in one of your hands, you wills say “cont. to jerk me off, DO NOT PUT IT IN, just jerk me off” again, the condom in your hand like you are about to put it…

step 5.- You will cont. to say as you get close to her vagina without INTEND TO PENETRATE, “cont. to jerk me off, rub it against your clit, do not let it in please”

step 6- As she is rubbing the head of your dick jerking you off against her clit, you will pull back and say “do not let it in”, with a commanding voice and eye contact like a authority figure.

step 7.- Repeat the process, and as she is rubbing the dick against her clit, you will grab it and cont. to jerk it against her clit but you will slip upwards to the pelvis instead of downwards to the inside.

step 8.- Repeat step 7 till you have enough compliance, then slip inside, she will let you, and she has already decided in her mind since step 5 that she wanted it in raw…

I have almost 100% success rate with this method, only 1 girl has failed this method who was the daughter of a Gyno. Everybody else including about dozens of girls in the medical profession i have been able to fuck raw if i wanted too… Caveat.- That was during my prime, now I use condoms with the majority of the women in my rotation."

How to fuck a girl raw (forbidden seduction series) - The Skills Method

Simple steps that I have used to successfully fuck women raw.

www.theskillsmethod.com

No quibbles with anything here, @Skills. Fantastic nuance!

Chase

 

[Beck Bass]

Maybe I'm paranoid, But not really a fan of smashing girls raw

My worst nightmare is getting the wrong girl pregnant at the wrong time

Man I accidently clicked on the "flag" thing near the like, I didn't even notice before there was that. Though I have seem stuff flagged here before, I didn't know how to do it, and now I don't know how to undo it lol. How can I unflag a post? Anyone knows? Also, what those flags mean at all? Are just they just like the positive reactions, but bad ones?
I don't think @TomInHo is a troll or made a bad post, if anything, he made me think about something important, and now I flagged his post

What I was gonna say, though, is that pulling out is an art lol. I think feeling a girl's pussy is probably the best feeling a man can experience, though now that I have a girlfriend, I'm debating if I should always use condoms or not (I told my girl I would, but now, thinking about it, it doesn't quite feel the same "conquest" and bonding feeling with a girl with a rubber on, so dunno if there's even a point in picking up toher girls, for me, other than keeping myself "sharp")

 

[Terms]

Maybe I'm paranoid, But not really a fan of smashing girls raw

My worst nightmare is getting the wrong girl pregnant at the wrong time

Yeah I don't get this whole topic. I always wear a condom even if the girl says she's on birth control, and make sure not to leave it at the girl's place. A girl can't pay me to not wear one. I've seen what accidental pregnancies do to friend's lives, its totally not worth sex feeling slightly better.

 

[Skills]

Man I accidently clicked on the "flag" thing near the like, I didn't even notice before there was that. Though I have seem stuff flagged here before, I didn't know how to do it, and now I don't know how to undo it lol. How can I unflag a post? Anyone knows? Also, what those flags mean at all? Are just they just like the positive reactions, but bad ones?
I don't think @TomInHo is a troll or made a bad post, if anything, he made me think about something important, and now I flagged his post

What I was gonna say, though, is that pulling out is an art lol. I think feeling a girl's pussy is probably the best feeling a man can experience, though now that I have a girlfriend, I'm debating if I should always use condoms or not (I told my girl I would, but now, thinking about it, it doesn't quite feel the same "conquest" and bonding feeling with a girl with a rubber on, so dunno if there's even a point in picking up toher girls, for me, other than keeping myself "sharp")

Just report and say a mistake, and yeah the dude is legit as fuck...anyways unfortunatly just by pure numbers as i said in many posts and videos just due to numbers you will get prego and prego scares abortions and std... is just due to the amount of women we sleep with 100 times more than average dude it will happen i made a post saying what you guys could do to minimaze the risk

Roe vs wade gets overturn so what do I recommend you do......

I already said many times why I never understood why many seducers lean so much to the right, though the left sucks as well... So we are fucked, but i digress so, back in the days i used to teach and help many dudes get out of a having unwanted babies under dark seduction. Now, not even proper...

www.skilledseducer.com

I told these guys in private getting a girl prego is worst than a break up, losing a job, getting beat up, getting corona. It is the worst ever feeling possible

 

[FunGuy]

OP I wouldn't read too much into it. As long as she's letting you smash that is all that matters. Its mental masturbation trying to measure interest levels based on condom use.

And I am a bit surprised that a lot of you guys are comfortable going raw on chicks on the first time. Even though I prefer raw, I don't feel comfortable going raw until I known the chick for a while. I've had my fair share of "incidents" but miraculously no unwanted children or std's.