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Endgame reason for LTR

HoopLoop

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Hey guys


Been reading GC for some time and really appreciate the stuff. Believe I go about the things in similar way(s), always looking for more angles to tackle things. Love it.


But here's the thing. Can't seem to find (maybe I missed it) the reason for a LTR from a top guy's perspective. I've read the purpose articles btw.

What I'm going for? Maybe a bit more than just a reason for a LTR. Maybe I'm not quite sold on girls are just silly and cute/ don't be bitter mentalities bedsides for your own mental health.

So, a regular guys starts learning seduction, it's horrible, we all know it. After some of time he developed abundance mentality and after some more he developed absolute abundance. Meanwhile he also upped his lifestyle and finances for good, practically every aspect of his life to the highest he wants, doesn't have to be a millionaire. Healthy, goes to gym, absolute abundance. So why would he be in a relationship, even with the highest caliber girl if he can do and did all this by himself?

What can she offer that he cannot have already? 2-7 year lasting love? Is that it?


And another thing, which may sound bitter but I swear it isn't, I just don't understand so that's why I'm asking.

Women take care of themselves, but is it more on the outside than in right? They don't work on their game, cause they're the ones waiting. So they may work on their careers and looks and hobbies. The same as men. Without inner or outer game. But their life is harder than men's life cause it's harder to be a woman?

So when she cheats on you it's usually your fault cause she communicated in her way which you didn't get (but you did get 50x before some other signals..), when she leaves you the same, when she doesn't take accountability also your fault, you just be in charge of her and the relationship (and your life)... Where do they take responsibility? If she doesn't give a birth to a baby, her only responsibility is the burden of being a woman?

And we must feel sorry for them cause we're stronger and less complicated biology?

Hope you see how this ties to that first question with what's the point of having an LTR in the end..

Again, not bitter, just trying to find the right logic. This seems to be the missing piece. If someone has it or sees something I don't, I'd be glad to hear a different perspective.


English is not my mother language so..


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Skills

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There are many reasons for ltr and everyone is different, but i have been in the community for 15-20 years and i known naturals for all my life so basically people get into ltr for many reasons, now i am being NEUTRAL, and i don't even agree on the reasons, but i will show you:

onitis.- Seducers that lay a lot of women get onitis worst than normal guys..... As you mention they pick a girl from abundance, and usually is very diffucult for them to fall for a girl, but when they fall they fall hard and get onitis... (in the game style), that is common.... Guys had a lot of girls fall for particular girl, dump rest of the girls...

Burn out.- A lot of guys get burn out of banging girls and just looking for a break and get in an ltr.

Kids and family.- some guys just want kids and family....

Leverage.- If you get into recessions, corona, going to jail etc... And your best option is an ltr, you could do ltr as leverage...

Biz/financial focus/or _____fill in the blank focus.- Some guys want to direct energy somewhere else for long term or short term and want to go into ltr....

Just like burn out, they get bored and want out and think the answer is ltr....


^ these are the reasons i seen for ltr, However, i don't understand why guys that are not getting laid, not getting laid a lot, or not succeeding at all.... Writing all types of this types of posts

My point is worry about getting laid, all the other stuff will work itself out..
 
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HoopLoop

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That's what I thought, just wanted some perspective. Don't know why they do it, but after some time getting laid ain't that important so..new/other challenges?
 

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Yeah, all those reasons @Skills has listed.

^ these are the reasons i seen for ltr, However, i don't understand why guys that are not getting laid, not getting laid a lot, or not succeeding at all.... Writing all types of this types of posts

My point is worry about getting laid, all the other stuff will work itself out..

A lot of it I think is the unrelatability of the guy who gets where the novice imagines himself getting.

He imagines the success then can't imagine why you would stop that.

It's a kind of End-of-History illusion.


When I was 8 years old I thought about sex all the time, but I didn't understand it. I thought you just got a girl naked then climbed on top of her then just laid there with your dick in her. 8-year-old me was like, "Man, it would be so awesome to be laying on top of a hot busty babe with big-ass tits and my cock in her pussy! I would just lay there like that forever and never stop! How on Earth do guys ever get themselves to even stop sex? I'd never get off her!"

Then you reach 13 and jack off for the first time and you're like, "Oh. Okay. You bust and then the drive is just gone. I guess that's why guys get off of her."

But you still see pics of a hot girl naked, and see the stuff about "no matter how hot she looks, some guy somewhere is tired of her shit" and you're like "No way, if that was MY chick, I would NEVER get tired of her! I would treasure her and never even want her to leave my place!"

Then you lay your first really hot girl with a really banging body, and after a few sessions in a night you come back from the bathroom and see her spectacular naked body all sprawled out in bed but are like, "I just want to go to sleep," and pass right out without even thinking about it.

Then the next morning you bang her again and are thinking, "This has been nice but I could use some peace and quiet now," and are relieved when at last she leaves.

Then you keep seeing her and she gives you some drama and you are just like, "I really would be fine simply never seeing this girl again." And maybe you don't see her again... and don't even care. Because you just meet some other chicks instead.

Guys who are on the cusp of learning seduction are in a similar place... they are imagining how if they had that ability to bang hot girls more or less whenever they wanted, they would just do that all the time and never stop.

Just like stopping sex with a hot girl once you nut, or having that hot girl leave your place once you're all sexed out, it feels sad to the guy who doesn't have it, imagining having it then giving it up... but for the guy who already has it, it's not a loss at all (after all, he can go get it essentially whenever) -- rather, he is adding MORE to his life: more free time, more other stuff he wants.

Hard to imagine feeling that way about it though before you get there...

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Seems like I'm being called out on the question.. Maybe I mismanaged my intro or the question..


Been doing this stuff for some years with couple of stops just like you guys pointed out, of course onenitis was first, then burnout, then before absolute abundance another harder onenitis, boredom bla bla.. I don't go out a lot but I can get to sex in 1-2 weeks max, day/night, if I have the time and set my mind to it, online even sooner. Almost all of my lays I would repeat so there's no problem with quality either.


So, rn I'm in some kinda boredom phase, funny how girls are practically approaching me, but don't feel the need or lust, and that's why I was asking what I did. Maybe I'm just wired differently, maybe I view women differently, maybe I should try to be warmer, maybe I expected something else from my pu....

I was looking for another perspective from guys who are longer in this and more experienced, and who's attitudes I respect/share


Hope I didn't poke anybody, I'm not on forums and social media, pretty old school even though I'm 31


Thanks for the responses Skillz and Chase


Cheers
 

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@HoopLoop,

Sorry; my response wasn't meant as any kind of "call out."

I was replying to @Skills's point about new guys' curiosity about "what happens to the old playboys?"

I think it's an interesting topic. I had those same questions myself when I was new... "Where'd all the guys from the start of the seduction community go? Did they all hang up their seducer spurs? If so, why?" It was hard to understand.

Been doing this stuff for some years with couple of stops just like you guys pointed out, of course onenitis was first, then burnout, then before absolute abundance another harder onenitis, boredom bla bla.. I don't go out a lot but I can get to sex in 1-2 weeks max, day/night, if I have the time and set my mind to it, online even sooner. Almost all of my lays I would repeat so there's no problem with quality either.

Noted. Well, you're not in the "newbie fence sitter" category ;)

So, rn I'm in some kinda boredom phase, funny how girls are practically approaching me, but don't feel the need or lust, and that's why I was asking what I did. Maybe I'm just wired differently, maybe I view women differently, maybe I should try to be warmer, maybe I expected something else from my pu....

That is going around right now. See:



Also several of the responses in my sticking points thread:


These are all recent posts.

Just over the past several months, product sales at Girls Chase have been down a noticeable bit as well, despite traffic being up. Usually our sales are pretty clockwork reliable, but suddenly there's a dip.

Overall there appears to be a general malaise over guys when it comes to seduction.

We have had stretches like this before... I have noticed it where suddenly everyone all at once throughout society seems to become apathetic about dating at a mass scale. Forum activity drops, sales drops, guys report motivation issues.

Then after some period of time it flips, guys' interest in dating ratchets back up, forum activity goes back up, sales rebound.

It's weird and I've never been able to explain it.

But I have noticed it occurring somewhat regularly over the years.

No set season or anything though. It just happens when it happens.

So I would offer... before you decide you've moved on to a new phase of life, don't discount the possibility of "general-but-probably-temporary society-wide malaise"!

Chase
 
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Seems like I'm being called out on the question.. Maybe I mismanaged my intro or the question..


Been doing this stuff for some years with couple of stops just like you guys pointed out, of course onenitis was first, then burnout, then before absolute abundance another harder onenitis, boredom bla bla.. I don't go out a lot but I can get to sex in 1-2 weeks max, day/night, if I have the time and set my mind to it, online even sooner. Almost all of my lays I would repeat so there's no problem with quality either.


So, rn I'm in some kinda boredom phase, funny how girls are practically approaching me, but don't feel the need or lust, and that's why I was asking what I did. Maybe I'm just wired differently, maybe I view women differently, maybe I should try to be warmer, maybe I expected something else from my pu....

I was looking for another perspective from guys who are longer in this and more experienced, and who's attitudes I respect/share


Hope I didn't poke anybody, I'm not on forums and social media, pretty old school even though I'm 31


Thanks for the responses Skillz and Chase


Cheers
Yes no you, is just a surge in weird posts lately appocalyptic and depressing... I personally avoiding things to be grasp for coping angle...i personally thought guys make this post as cope angle to not go through the pimping hustle.... If that is no you my apologies...
 

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Ok, I sounded like hell 😅
Should've introduced myself and probably given also a positive side of viewing women and their roles so it doesn't sound so pessimistic, it's just indifferent since it's not so novel. My bad.

Not aware of this trend, funny. I'm always trying to see the bigger picture in things I do, as many angles as possible. It keeps me going.
So that's why I turned to you guys.

Well it is a people's business, and people change states all the time so.. they'll change their minds some time again 😉

Like this stuff, it's not biased, and it's wide I topics and angles. If a guy has just a bit of some common sense and will power he can literally turn his life around.
 

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There are many reasons for ltr and everyone is different, but i have been in the community for 15-20 years and i known naturals for all my life so basically people get into ltr for many reasons, now i am being NEUTRAL, and i don't even agree on the reasons, but i will show you:

onitis.- Seducers that lay a lot of women get onitis worst than normal guys..... As you mention they pick a girl from abundance, and usually is very diffucult for them to fall for a girl, but when they fall they fall hard and get onitis... (in the game style), that is common.... Guys had a lot of girls fall for particular girl, dump rest of the girls...

Burn out.- A lot of guys get burn out of banging girls and just looking for a break and get in an ltr.

Kids and family.- some guys just want kids and family....

Leverage.- If you get into recessions, corona, going to jail etc... And your best option is an ltr, you could do ltr as leverage...

Biz/financial focus/or _____fill in the blank focus.- Some guys want to direct energy somewhere else for long term or short term and want to go into ltr....

Just like burn out, they get bored and want out and think the answer is ltr....


^ these are the reasons i seen for ltr, However, i don't understand why guys that are not getting laid, not getting laid a lot, or not succeeding at all.... Writing all types of this types of posts

My point is worry about getting laid, all the other stuff will work itself out..
this is pretty much my thoughts

- some guys are to lazy to begin with- can't deal with the burden of daygame , my brother for example dated 2 people and had 2 LTRs as result quite literally that was his life - he was cheated on in his first marriage- lack of options .
- lack of options particularly in low population cities .
- Religious pressure - some men find a woman of the same religion and feel extra pressure to marry said person. I see this particularly with my Muslim and Jewish friends .

A. good relationship with a good girl long term can do wonders for your life - it depends on the woman though of course different women bring different value - for a few of my wings they found someone that was genuinely had to get better than so they entered a long term relationship- i don't see anything wrong with that persay.

i got into my LTR as i'd been doing daygame for roughly 4 years and she is a genuinely good , loyal, kind and compassionate caring person . Also the majority of my wingmen want kids one day- i guess daygame helps strengthen options so they can settle down with one - or at least increase their probability of finding the "one" Im glad i had the experience of "bad" women

interesting enough a lot of the coaches out there got into coaching post divorce- Tom Torero, Nick Krauser , James Marshall to name a few. I can agree a lot of LTRs can be harmful but the context of the man's life and the woman's life can vary a lot- again game can increase options and stop the ruts from happening .
 

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Ok, I sounded like hell 😅
Should've introduced myself and probably given also a positive side of viewing women and their roles so it doesn't sound so pessimistic, it's just indifferent since it's not so novel. My bad.

Not aware of this trend, funny. I'm always trying to see the bigger picture in things I do, as many angles as possible. It keeps me going.
So that's why I turned to you guys.

Well it is a people's business, and people change states all the time so.. they'll change their minds some time again 😉

Like this stuff, it's not biased, and it's wide I topics and angles. If a guy has just a bit of some common sense and will power he can literally turn his life around.
yeah different men are at different stages of their life, different social economic impacts, religious ones too i think all of that impacts whether or not certain LTRs are genuinely viable propositions or not unless you know a lot about the context of each man and the respective woman they are involved with its hard to say if its a good idea or not.

My cousin for example married a multi millionaire woman off match.com in the US - her family even paid for the entire wedding - it was male hypergamy at its finest but looking at the relationship from the outside i was glad my cousin married and didn't pursue new options because it was very unlikely he was going to find better
 
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