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FR++  Failed attempt at car escalation/Wrong text

Scofield

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So I met up with one of the girls I met on St Patty's weekend (you can see the full FR here viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1316)

We met at a restaurant/coffee shop and she ordered some food and I just had a coffee. We talked and it went pretty well. Nothing AMAZING but it was fun. After the place closed (it closes early, just an hour after we got there) I suggest hanging out some more and try to steer her towards her place and she says her roommates are home and she really doesn't want to deal with them right now. I then suggest we just hang out in my car and listen to music and she balks and suggests a nearby bar. I wasn't commanding enough and just went with her suggestion.

We get there, sit at the bar and drink and talk some more. I do run out of steam here a bit, conversation just wasn't as smooth as I ran out of things to talk about a bit and didn't know what to say at some points (funny how that happens once I'm no longer "in control" since I didn't pick this place...). I do however I think I recovered well enough. We stay there another hour. When I ask her "what she thinks of me so far" she had nothing but positive things to say and said she would "let me take her out again...if I wanted to". I simply replied "hmmm...I'll have to think about it" and gave her a sexy look.

Eventually I hit a point where I realize I have to regain control so I tell her to finish her drink and we should get out of there because I was tired of that place (and she actually bought me my drink!). We head out to the parking lot and I tell her we should listen to some music in my car again. She hesitates and says that it's late (10:30) and that she has to go back to her place to get up early. I inform her that it's only 10:20 and to give me the 10 minutes until it's actually "late". She says fine and that we can stand by her car. I say nope and keep walking towards my car. She says we'll split the difference and hang out in the middle of the parking lot. I say we can't listen to music there and just keep walking and get in my car. She obviously has no choice but to follow me at this point. We are in my car (I parked in a dark corner of the parking lot) and I set some taylor swift music on to set the mood. We talk for a bit and actually manage to find more stuff in common. At some point right in the middle of conversation I put 2 fingers below her chin and kissed her, she kisses back but is a bit late on it as I guess I shocked her. I make sure to pull away first and keep talking. She is mildly thrown off but actually held her composure very well, credit to her. We talk for a few min more and then I once again go for the kiss, same process but I let it linger just a bit longer and then pull away. Talk for a couple more minutes and then I just grab her for a more passionate kiss. We make out on and off for about 15 minutes, talking a bit in between. She asks me how old I am and I tell her and she says she's "dated older...much older" so I ask her how old she is and then say "I've dated younger" with a sexy smile. She laughs in a half offended way and says that's not a good thing to tell a girl and then asks the age and I say it doesn't matter and grab her and kiss her (although it is true, I've went out with an 18 year old as recently as last month!) In between she keeps telling me that she has to go and I don't put up with the LMR and just keep going for it. I tell her 5 minutes more, she says she has to go because she has to get up at 8, I tell her that she can stay a whole hour and still get a full night's sleep, she tells me she has to do HW and I tell her it's not due until next week and we just keep kissing. I kiss her everywhere on her face and neck in addition to lips. She seems really into it. But she keeps resisting and I say "aren't you having a good time, it looks like you're having a good time" and she says she is so I tell her to stay. She pulls out some BS about listening to the lady and to set up a second date and let her leave. I ignore her and just keep grabbing her and kissing her, trying to escalate. She does say that she admires my persistence. She says she needs to go and I say "you need to go...but you don't want to" and keep trying....but eventually she stops replying to my attempts at a kiss. In hindsight I should have just absolutely manhandle kissed her right here. But instead I set up a tentative second date. I tell her to kiss me "for the road" and she just smiles and gets out of the car (guess she saw right through what I was trying to do!). I get out and tell her that I'll walk her back to her car. She says she has a great time and kisses me goodbye and we part ways.

So I thought it went well enough....but then the next morning I woke up to this text: "I went on a date last night and it was so bad. And some other guy gave me for his number last night. Im keeping busy.lol"

At first I thought she was joking with me since she has an interesting sense of humor...but the second part of that text just makes me legit think she sent it to me on accident lol.

What a confusing girl...

I replied when I saw it a couple hours later "send that to the wrong person? ;)" and then later that night I sent her "You wouldn't believe this date I had last night, it was awful, she was such a dork! Ugh". No reply. Waited 2 days then sent her a text asking if our tentative date was still on and she replied "No. Im too busy. Sorry".

Okay......
 

trashKENNUT

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Scofield,

Scofield said:
So I thought it went well enough....but then the next morning I woke up to this text: "I went on a date last night and it was so bad. And some other guy gave me for his number last night. Im keeping busy.lol"

It's like she's brushing you off because you miss out on something on her. Probably an escalation window. You could have move her earlier.

Two things i can derive,

1) She wants it too, but then you could have move her earlier

2) She really have to work at 8! and she sending that text, Her attempt to blame you for not making it happen.

I don't really think you can recover from here. Shit takes a lot of work from here.

Zac
 

Tyme2k

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I agree no recovery on this one. You have to remember there's a fine line between persistence and neediness. In my opinion what you did here crossed that line, it reminds me of pepe le pew.

I usually never address objections directly, I go along with them. In the past I fought the objections and everytime I failed escalation and lost the girl. Now when I verbally go with the objection,"you should leave" "Yeah get the fuck outta my car" but continue the physical escalation, if they are attracted and interested they will let you escalate and gravitate closer to you.

In this situation I get a sense that you were going all or nothing, which is definitely fine and should be done on occasion for experience. If you wanted to see her again then you had to leave her wondering and wanting more ie no asking for "one for the road" or telling her 5 more minutes etc. More like "get out of my car, we're hanging out xxx." Unaffected, abundance mentality, etc.

Great job on not giving in on the way to your car, that was definitely a win.

My thoughts on the text was she was hinting to you that she had a bad date under the disguise of sending the text to the wrong person. Girls do shit like this all the time, best you ignore it and move on. Tell me how likely it is to send a text to the wrong person TWICE and after you called it out the first time.. unless she was a complete retard, which means you wouldn't want her anyway..

All in all still great job bro, you're on your way and I can't wait to see you becoming icy and pulling these girls.
 

myshkinrush

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I replied when I saw it a couple hours later "send that to the wrong person? ;)" and then later that night I sent her "You wouldn't believe this date I had last night, it was awful, she was such a dork! Ugh". No reply. Waited 2 days then sent her a text asking if our tentative date was still on and she replied "No. Im too busy. Sorry".

Here's my beginner advice on this. When you saw the above, you should not have responded at all. If she sent this you by accident (which she didn't), then you know what she's thinking about you and you stick with the AM (abundance mentality) and don't reply. In other words, you think to yourself "girl, go fuck yourself and chase after the other guy" You really think this girl is capable of that? I don't!

The fact that she sent that to you means that she enjoyed her time but you didn't sell her! but she was giving you another chance in her subtle own way. The fact that you responded with a "wrong person? ;)" - you failed her shit test. Imagine what would've happened had you not responded? Maybe a few days go by and fuck it, you're over her! BUT, she's not over you! So when she's done being a bitch, she would've texted you hoping you forgot about the "accidental" text. And it would've been game on.

Just my thoughts. Experts please advise.
 

Ross

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Get ready for an in-depth analysis if you want to read it.

We talked and it went pretty well. Nothing AMAZING but it was fun. After the place closed (it closes early, just an hour after we got there) I suggest hanging out some more and try to steer her towards her place and she says her roommates are home and she really doesn't want to deal with them right now.

This is a situation where it would probably help to move her around a bit more before you go for a pull. It's a very easy pathway to just stay in one place, but that makes you seem sort of dull and not out of the ordinary. Sitting in a coffee shop for 45 minutes just talking can be good and all, but there are certain points where you must move. Move her to another table because the lighting is bad at this spot, or perhaps transition for somewhere more comfortable and turn into a more sexual mood. This will make the resistance towards her following you somewhere else much lower, especially if you stick to your guns on smaller, easier tasks of compliance first.

A good idea for following the previous advice in this situation is to move her after you are finished eating/drinking. Eat for 15 minutes, move to a more comfortable spot to talk, and then move her to her place/your place. Once you hit a good high point where she is obviously excited about you, you can use the assistance of an easy yes ladder to meet less resistance.

You: This is fun.. You enjoying tonight?
Her: Yes
You: Thing is, I'm not ready for it to be over! But, I have to get up at 6, so I probably can't do much else. (Stealing her resistance before she can and covering it up as a clever line to hint that you're ready to become intimate, without directly saying it! Sneaky.)

After that she may agree that she has to get up early too and that you should call it a night. Walk back to the parking lot maintaining a sexy vibe, and not committing to any future dates yet, then stick her with a kiss. Push-pull her in any way you choose, and cleverly get back to your car in the process. Resistance is futile!

I say we can't listen to music there and just keep walking and get in my car. She obviously has no choice but to follow me at this point.

This right here tells me that she really wanted something to happen. I mean, she's sticking with you even when it'd probably be easier to just walk back to her car. You do well with the kiss/conversation combo, but you get killed at this point:

In between she keeps telling me that she has to go and I don't put up with the LMR and just keep going for it.

Maybe that means hurry up? Not sure how exactly you were escalating and where the resistance was at when you were moving forward, but it sounds like you just stayed with kissing/caressing instead of removing clothing and having her stop you. I don't sense much physical resistance until the end where you say she stopped kissing you as much. I've been in the same exact situation man, and it sucked. I was just starting out with getting physical with women after having learned a lot on seduction last year, and one of my first successes with a HB9/10 ended up stalling because I was too slow and weak in bed. But we learn these things with time and experience, so that next time we won't be the guy who was too slow or too weak.
 
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