Health Fake nattys: impossible achievements rampant on social media!!!

[POB]

As if our life was not stressful enough, we are constantly bombarded with images of fitness gurus selling impossible feats and lying about their natty status.

I'll be honest: even after 27 years of diet and training (without use of any PEDs), it's kinda of discouraging getting bombarded with manipulated images of guys that are juiced to the gills shouting about their "hard work", "diet" and "dedication", when in fact we all know they are taking the easy route.

Of course I'm not talking about guys like The Rock or Mike O'Hearn, because they are just laughable walking jokes when it comes to steroid use. I'm talking about the John Does of fitness who crank up the juice and suddenly explode on social media without ever coming clean about what they are really doing.

Believe me: it takes A LOT OF MENTAL STRENGTH to stay natural for all these years and not be put down by the peer pressure of the fake natty clan.

If you are on this train too, please let me know. I'm pretty sure we are not alone on this quest.

 

[Alpha13SC]

I don't relate to you at all here, because I m making improvement weekly with my body.

Also, I don t follow any of those male models on social media, only the ones I can learn from and maybe entertainers(RPD Strength, MPMD, Larry Wheels, etc).

But if I would want to take to the next level, I would actually hire a top level coach.

 

[POB]

You know those guys you mentioned are also on PEDs, right?

*BTW: I don't follow those unknowns, they just show up on my feed (algorithm)

 

[Train]

I can relate speaking as someone who could be considered intermediate to advanced based on 1RMs.

I've added roughly 15-20 lbs of muscle since I started lifting. And while I look more built than average, my progress pales in comparison to the walking meat tanks out there who may not be natty.

It makes me insecure at times but I reassure myself by how strong I am relative to my bodyweight.

Also, I remind myself of the side effects of steroids I hear about (ex. rage, hair loss, acne, etc). I already have/had the latter two, so I'm not looking to add to it.

I think my goal structure of relative strength first, muscle second helps insulate me against the steroid issue.

 

[Alpha13SC]

Yeah. But I don't follow them for looks. Like I don t follow any female instagram model.

I would say it's not really the easy route. Using anabolics can have deeply effect on brain/hormons/body even off cycle so that's not worth for me.

 

[POB]

I can relate speaking as someone who could be considered intermediate to advanced based on 1RMs.

I've added roughly 15-20 lbs of muscle since I started lifting. And while I look more built than average, my progress pales in comparison to the walking meat tanks out there who may not be natty.

Thx @Train , that's what I was looking for!

It makes me insecure at times but I reassure myself by how strong I am relative to my bodyweight.

Not only that, but it's mentally tougher to grind it out naturally.
I think it builds better character too if you take it seriously (less margin for error than a roided gorilla).

Also, I remind myself of the side effects of steroids I hear about (ex. rage, hair loss, acne, etc). I already have/had the latter two, so I'm not looking to add to it.

I'm starting to study in deep hormones, dosages, effects and side effects.
Probably start to use something in the next 3-5 years (even if just on TRT levels).
I'll turn 43 in a few months, so the body is just not recovering like before (sometimes I need more days off, more joint pain, etc).

Other than that, I feel great and at the top of my physical game (getting boners for ages, my main complains sometimes I'm too hard lol)
Current measurements: 6'1", 210lbs and roughly 11-12% BF

I think my goal structure of relative strength first, muscle second helps insulate me against the steroid issue.

Yeah, I just shrug it off and call them pussies in my mind lol

 

[Train]

Not only that, but it's mentally tougher to grind it out naturally.
I think it builds better character too if you take it seriously (less margin for error).

Definitely, there's a certain pride in not taking the shortcuts and grinding it out naturally.

Also, I started before the advent of social media so I wasn't as bombarded with juiced physiques. Newer gens might be more likely to get insecure with all the information overload.

I don't usually follow fitness guys so I think that also helps insulate against the pressure.

I'm starting to study in deep hormones, dosages, effects and side effects.
Probably start to use something in the next 3-5 years (even if just on TRT levels).
I'll turn 43 in a few months, so the body is just not recovering like before (sometimes I need more days off, more joint pain, etc).

That's a good point, I would consider TRT once I get to the age where hormones are not what they used to be. Nothing crazy, just to maintain progress and not degenerate physically.

Other than that, I feel great and at the top of my physical game (getting boners for ages, my main complains sometimes I'm too hard lol)
Current measurements: 6'1", 210lbs and roughly 11-12% BF

Those measurements are leagues ahead of the Average (or Median haha) Joe. Just those Dwayne Johnson outliers skewing the average greatly haha

 

[POB]

Definitely, there's a certain pride in not taking the shortcuts and grinding it out naturally.

Maybe I'll start to sell a shirt that says "natty natty daddy"
Just a though lol

Also, I started before the advent of social media so I wasn't as bombarded with juiced physiques. Newer gens might be more likely to get insecure with all the information overload.

Yep, it was 1995 and I only had VHS and magazines to find the information I needed.
Magnetic bikes and leg warmers were a thing too

I don't usually follow fitness guys so I think that also helps insulate against the pressure.

Derek from MPMD is a great guy who spills very decent info.
That Leo and Longevity dude is very knowledgeable too.
I also follow B-Pak, but he overcomplicate things sometimes (his MI-40 training is awesome, but extremely demanding on your routine and only suited for advanced lifters).

Believe it or not, the best coaches for the average dude are currently from Brazil
Too bad they only make content in portuguese.

That's a good point, I would consider TRT once I get to the age where hormones are not what they used to be. Nothing crazy, just to maintain progress and not degenerate physically.

There's an university here in Brazil who has post-grad courses on hormones and PEDs (I'm not kidding!).
It's government approved too, so you can literally get out with a degree in gear (a mix of pharmacology and biochemistry).

Those measurements are leagues ahead of the Average (or Median haha) Joe. Just those Dwayne Johnson outliers skewing the average greatly haha

Lol, I know. It's a lot of time studying and testing things.
I was talking to the main yesterday that if I took anything extra now I would probably explode my muscles.
(just because of the quantity of natural receptors I must have from all those years in the gym).

 

[Skills]

Being juice doesnt equals looking good, there are juice guys looking like crap.... there are natys that look better than juice guys and if you want to.juice anyone can do.it... i will tell you i looked better pre trt than with trt due to the bloat aka water retantion... i dont care cause all of the other benefts... but there is no magic pills guys that juice still have to diet and workout.

 

[Tim Iron]

1.) Don't look at them.
2.) Reset your Instagram explore page.

 

[POB]

2.) Reset your Instagram explore page.

How do you do this?
All I could find was a search history reset, which does not solve the problem.

The only workaround I could find was to go to my notebook, use a VPN and go incognito on chrome.
But there's no way to block it when you need to use it on your phone
(phone=auto link to google account+algo on instagram fucks up facebook and youtube content recommendations too).

 

[POB]

Being juice doesnt equals looking good, there are juice guys looking like crap.... there are natys that look better than juice guys and if you want to.juice anyone can do.it... i will tell you i looked better pre trt than with trt due to the bloat aka water retantion... i dont care cause all of the other benefts... but there is no magic pills guys that juice still have to diet and workout.

Agree.
But that was not my main point.
Re-read the op.

 

[Tim Iron]

How do you do this?
All I could find was a search history reset, which does not solve the problem.

The only workaround I could find was to go to my notebook, use a VPN and go incognito on chrome.
But there's no way to block it when you need to use it on your phone
(phone=auto link to google account+algo on instagram fucks up facebook and youtube content recommendations too).

Search "how to reset instagram explore page" on YouTube.

 

[hey_lover]

Almost everyone who is muscular is juiced. Unless you're genetically gifted or West African (higher testosterone levels than all other demographics), the impressive physiques which now pass as the standard are almost impossible to achieve without PEDs.

To accrue so much muscle tissue that you look jacked in clothing whilst simultaneously having low body fat isn't as simple as training hard and dieting clean over a period of years. Your body's ability to accrue muscle diminishes with each passing year until you reach your genetic potential. To grow beyond that, you will need enhancements.

Speaking of Brazilians, there's a huge community where I live and many who come to my gym. They're all on gear including the girls. Fake tits, BBL's, husky voices and they're not even trannies. They're a sight to behold, bulky Amazonian female warriors.

Anyway, there's no shame in taking it or choosing not to. If you aren't in competition or have to take regular drug tests, you can break through plateaus and exceed your genetic potential. Like anything there are smart ways to take it i.e. lowest effective dose and then there are also ways you can abuse it.

 

[Skills]

Almost everyone who is muscular is juiced. Unless you're genetically gifted or West African (higher testosterone levels than all other demographics), the impressive physiques which now pass as the standard are almost impossible to achieve without PEDs.

To accrue so much muscle tissue that you look jacked in clothing whilst simultaneously having low body fat isn't as simple as training hard and dieting clean over a period of years. Your body's ability to accrue muscle diminishes with each passing year until you reach your genetic potential. To grow beyond that, you will need enhancements.

Speaking of Brazilians, there's a huge community where I live and many who come to my gym. They're all on gear including the girls. Fake tits, BBL's, husky voices and they're not even trannies. They're a sight to behold, bulky Amazonian female warriors.

Anyway, there's no shame in taking it or choosing not to. If you aren't in competition or have to take regular drug tests, you can break through plateaus and exceed your genetic potential. Like anything there are smart ways to take it i.e. lowest effective dose and there are ways you can abuse it.

^ yeah that is the main problem if you are natural and you get ripped you look like you don't lift in clothes (kinobody good example), if you look like you lift you with clothes then your body fat will get compromise, so it sucks......

 

[POB]

Estimates I've seen in more than one place:
- to reach 80-90% of your natural muscle building potential:
3 years of consistent diet and lifting

- the other 10-20%:
+10-15 years of consistent diet and lifting

^ yeah that is the main problem if you are natural and you get ripped you look like you don't lift in clothes (kinobody good example), if you look like you lift you with clothes then your body fat will get compromise, so it sucks......

Very accurate.

 

[Beck Bass]

I'm off the gym and getting off shape, but back when I was hitting it hard, yep, I was a bit annoyed and maybe a bit jelly of big guys that obviously were in steroids... But to be frank, I never gave much of a shit, because I never wanted that type of body anyway.
I think being a musician and being pretty good looking naturally (face-wise, I also have wide shoulders and I'm relatively tall) always got me all the attention I could ever want from women (though we men are greedy creatures and always want more, specially when it comes to pussy lol, even if we should know as "skilled seducers" here that muscles don't matter that much). So even if deep down I don't care, when you are putting in effort to look good, it's very normal to feel that way when impostors are there posing with their "artificial" muscles, and I definitely felt that way before.

Definitely, there's a certain pride in not taking the shortcuts and grinding it out naturally.

Yeah, the testosterone you get, I can't imagine how those guys feel when taking it, like getting that ridiculous boost out of the blue, must mess with your whole organism in a way... When you are slowly building muscles through sheer effort, you feel it growing every day, your temper changing and every thing, you adapt slowly... Dunno how they must feel, in a way it should also feel lame because you probably don't get that same "high" from the beginning, and it probably feels bad if you stop taking... But I'm just keyjocking here, as I don't have any experience with it, and don't intend to have, anyway.

 

[ocean_eyes]

I'm starting to study in deep hormones, dosages, effects and side effects.
Probably start to use something in the next 3-5 years (even if just on TRT levels).
I'll turn 43 in a few months, so the body is just not recovering like before (sometimes I need more days off, more joint pain, etc).

Other than that, I feel great and at the top of my physical game (getting boners for ages, my main complains sometimes I'm too hard lol)
Current measurements: 6'1", 210lbs and roughly 11-12% BF

Hey POB,

I'm a couple years younger but pretty close to your age. Made QUITE a bit of progress in the gym, and getting lots of compliments on my body.

I'm going to link to the ijjjji testosterone guide, since that is what has helped me.

ijjjji info

Testosterone guide UNDER CONSTRUCTION - UNDER CONSTRUCTION - UNDER CONSTRUCTION Testosterone to estrogen ratio plays a special role. More te...

kamafun-fun.blogspot.com

I don't do everything he suggests and I actually work out a lot MORE than he suggests in that. But
YMMV. If there's some new stuff in there, try it out!

good luck!

 

[DarkKnight]

To accrue so much muscle tissue that you look jacked in clothing whilst simultaneously having low body fat isn't as simple as training hard and dieting clean over a period of years.

But it is. I am at this level and I promise you, no juice. Even the veins of my biceps pop through my light colored sweaters of thin fabric.

Unless you're genetically gifted

Maybe, I always considered myself as special lol.

But, the guys who have similar training to me (MMA) look just as good (the veterans). So I do believe you can achieve some serious results going natural. Although I have to say I do use some powerful supplements (Vitamins), just not "juice".

Perhaps we are talking about different things and you guys are talking about real body builder build, in that case I cannot argue with you guys and I agree.

Addition: lots of times with workout commercial they do the same shit.. apparently within 4 weeks you can become super ripped! I think I read somewhere that the models that they use are already experienced and thus have lots of muscle memory.

Anyway lots of distracting get rich/get fit fast scams out there.

Also: I am not against using enhancements... we only have a small amount of time on this planet and we should want to go through it with a blaze of glory. Looking back I also wanted to do everything the "fair" way.. but life is inherently not fair!! So we do whatever we have to, to get ahead fast.

Sensei johnny lawrence explains it perfectly before the tournament in season 1.

 

[POB]

I'm going to link to the ijjjji testosterone guide, since that is what has helped me.

ijjjji info

Testosterone guide UNDER CONSTRUCTION - UNDER CONSTRUCTION - UNDER CONSTRUCTION Testosterone to estrogen ratio plays a special role. More te...

kamafun-fun.blogspot.com

Thx a lot!
I'm just soaking all the info available out there to do this shit right when the time comes.
Definitely not the most genetically gifted....but I'm the most stubborn for sure lol.

Thing is, going natural is only going to take you to a certain point.
Though I'm pretty happy with the way things are today, because I was able to find a nice balance between size and condition without using anything beyond creatine, vitamins, minerals and a very very friendly diet (80% of the time I eat right, the other 20% I eat what I like).

Also: I am not against using enhancements...

Me neither!
Problem as you said is the fucking scammers trying to sell impossible feats with their bullshit programs.
Even with gear, there are no shortcuts.
Back in my gym there are guys half my age, juiced to the gills, who look worse than me.
One time I even got to stand side by side with one of the most known national fitness influencers (he's about my age)...honestly, I looked slightly better than him without gear.

Consistency and mastering the fundamentals always trumps shortcuts.
I'll get back to this topic once I finish reading an amazing book about hormones I just purchased.