LR First ever night, street to car in less than half an hour

[KJ Francis]

One daytime warm-up approach, then first ever night approach. Ignored three or so times, then first ever night approach lay.

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Caught her staring at me while she drove by. I saw her park and doubled back through the flower gardens. Coming back around, she was sitting on the grass in the shade using the library WiFi. I asked if she knew where to get a bottle of water nearby. I sat with her and asked about her.

Then she walked with me to a convenience store. I suggested going to her place to see her guitars. She claimed an extreme mess. From there she took my parking spot and I drove us to the park by the water. Walked to forest trail and sat on bench. Many physical compliments from her throughout. She mentioned ticks and how there are so many people around and it's so family friendly. When I left, she asked for my number. Spent a good hour at least together. So much insight from this experience, I will have to sit and recall more.

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Night strip girl on phone against pole. "Are you waiting for someone" very cute all smiles "yes", "do you have a date", " yes", she asked how my night was going. Explained passing through, she related having family there. Asked about her school and work, and she asked back about me smiling. Then we wished each other a nice night as her date came up looking confused.

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Night strip against wall "are you waiting for someone", "yes, how's your night going" smiling. Explained her friends were coming. She immediately called friend and asked me to hold on. Discovered they would be some time. I said she could walk with me and go back whenever. Mentioned only being in town for the night. Deep dived about her work and where she's moving for education. Proposed blazing in car.

Sat in backseat of car. Kissed her, "feel what you did", "now I feel bad", "get on your hands and knees for me" pulled pants down ass "oh I meant facing that way" pointed fingered entered. 5 mins max meet introduction. 15 mins max walk. Dropped her off at home (she skipped the bar). She asked to give me her phone number.

Stopped at a friend's the next day and she asked how I had spent my night. She was surprised the girl had trusted coming with me so fast. I explained she was sober before going in the bar and we were getting to know each other on a busy street where she could turn around at any time. I never mentioned she herself had bought me a coffee before immediately getting in and driving to a parking lot.

 

[Chase]

Well done, @Francis. On several gals here.

Caught her staring at me while she drove by. I saw her park and doubled back through the flower gardens. Coming back around, she was sitting on the grass in the shade using the library WiFi. I asked if she knew where to get a bottle of water nearby. I sat with her and asked about her.

Then she walked with me to a convenience store. I suggested going to her place to see her guitars. She claimed an extreme mess. From there she took my parking spot and I drove us to the park by the water. Walked to forest trail and sat on bench. Many physical compliments from her throughout. She mentioned ticks and how there are so many people around and it's so family friendly. When I left, she asked for my number. Spent a good hour at least together. So much insight from this experience, I will have to sit and recall more.

Solid decisiveness picking up on the approach invitation and returning to open the girl.

Sometimes with girls claiming messes you can get around that by showing it doesn't bother you. e.g.,

YOU: We should head to yours. You can show me your guitars.​

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HER: Oh, no. My place is a complete mess right now.​

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YOU: What, like boxes to the ceiling? Bras hanging from the chandelier? Two months of dirty dishes in the sink and rats living openly in the middle of the bedroom floor? How bad we talking here?​

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HER: [laughs] Well like I have some empty pizza boxes and a few piles of dirty laundry.​

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YOU: Oh my God, you're an amateur. That is NOT a mess. Take me to see your guitars, that's nothing.​

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HER: [laughs] Okay, well I warned you!​

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YOU: Unless there are stray dogs fighting over bones in your hallway I am not even going to notice.​

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HER: [laughs]​

Other girls will still refuse, either because they are too self-conscious or because the mess in the apartment is not the real reason and they are just using that as an excuse to not go home with you yet. But a fair amount of the time it is just like the "I'm on my period" objection -- reassure her you don't care about the mess and the objection goes away.

Night strip girl on phone against pole. "Are you waiting for someone" very cute all smiles "yes", "do you have a date", " yes", she asked how my night was going. Explained passing through, she related having family there. Asked about her school and work, and she asked back about me smiling. Then we wished each other a nice night as her date came up looking confused.

Sounds like she liked you anyway.

The way you deal with this scenario is:

1. Find out whom she's waiting for (date)
   
   
2. Find out how far along she is with him (first date? Second date? LTR?)
   
   
3. If it's early on with him, tell her well you don't want to impose on her date, but let's trade contacts and if he doesn't turn out to be the Man of Your Dreams, maybe you and I can do something another day. Then trade contacts and get out of there. If the guy comes up while you're doing that tell him "We're old friends; I haven't seen her in a while. Just reconnecting", then make your exit and tell them to have a good time.

Then you just text her the next afternoon: "Well, was he the Man of Your Dreams? " and if she says anything other than "yes" you set a date up.

Night strip against wall "are you waiting for someone", "yes, how's your night going" smiling. Explained her friends were coming. She immediately called friend and asked me to hold on. Discovered they would be some time. I said she could walk with me and go back whenever. Mentioned only being in town for the night. Deep dived about her work and where she's moving for education. Proposed blazing in car.

Sat in backseat of car. Kissed her, "feel what you did", "now I feel bad", "get on your hands and knees for me" pulled pants down ass "oh I meant facing that way" pointed fingered entered. 5 mins max meet introduction. 15 mins max walk. Dropped her off at home (she skipped the bar). She asked to give me her phone number.

Stopped at a friend's the next day and she asked how I had spent my night. She was surprised the girl had trusted coming with me so fast. I explained she was sober before going in the bar and we were getting to know each other on a busy street where she could turn around at any time. I never mentioned she herself had bought me a coffee before immediately getting in and driving to a parking lot.

This is all solid stuff.

Great job hanging in there when she mentioned waiting for someone. Her calling the friend immediately after you opening her and her telling you they were going to be some time is a huge green light. Moving super fast here was the correct call.

Using the good old fashioned Jake's Booty Call pull line, I see. "You wanna blaze, girlie?" Cue Booty Call music as the fucking begins

Excellent job listening to your instincts and going for the fast pull when it presented itself!

Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

@Chase ,

Would you diagnose my main sticking point as persistence? I am posting from a rock by the water so will get sentimental later.

This report was lifetime approach #14, lay #40.

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All from yesterday, each quickly written a few minutes after the interactions:

Girl studying in coffee shop. Wanted to say "I know you are busy and I'm on my way out, but I would be kicking myself all day if I did not say hi to you" because it was true. I bitched out and walked past for a seat. After I got up and asked if she knew the WiFi password. I approached from behind and stood next to her. She looked up and was absolutely gorgeous with a really genuine smile. I met her glance half a second after she looked up.

She said it auto connected for her and it may be at the front. I asked if she was studying or what since she was handwriting on an iPad. She went into explaining the CPA exams and being half done them on her way to be an auditor. It seemed like she was qualifying herself immediately. I asked if she meant like going into other businesses like a certain medium sized local accounting firm does and she lit up a little from me knowing the name and said yes exactly. I asked her name and she asked mine.

I then asked if she was single. She was not. I asked how long that had been going on for. She was 4-5 years. I said that's a long time and asked if they were going to get married. She said they've talked about it. I said I would let her get back to studying since it was important and we wished each other a nice day. I have been feeling the physical pain of heartbreak this week and it was encouraging to have such a girl start investing in the conversation herself even if she simply needed a social break, but there was instant obvious attraction written on her face. I have a new instinct to push past boyfriends, but think it may only be from lack of abundance. We'll see as time goes. If the most beautiful, intelligent girls are already in relationships, I will need to steal them, but maybe only if they're in really fresh relationships. Maybe at some point I won't care, and then go back to caring.

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Spotted her standing watching Hare Krishna chants in the park. Two colored bright dyed hair. Posted up opposite crouched under tree shade. She brushed hair and faced body toward me (good distance across grass). Guy offers me Sanskrit texts and I lose sight of her moving. Spot her moved to street corner taking in the crowd. Very few lone wolves around. If so, typically heavy tattooed with sunglasses and over ear headphones.

Ask if she's waiting for someone "no", said I saw you over by the chanting and pointed. She looked and said oh yeah and smiled. I said I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you. She said oh and smiled, then submissive downward eye contact break. I gave her my name and asked hers. I asked what brought her out and rapidly unloaded my value proposition and killed all the intrigue, which is my friend got sick and I still came for the nonrefundable night (all true). Then I asked what she was up to and if she wanted to walk with me. She said she wanted to do her own thing. I did think she was cute but did not care too much so gave up easy. "Horrible" @Skills . No persistence. More attractive girls seem to attract me more so maybe I should go for gold. Perhaps a hard push is necessary against resistance that will always be there as an evolutionary screen for impudence and leadership.

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Two fucking minutes later I am looking at the architecture of an old building and this slim Indian girl in a red dress comes walking down the path. I ask if she knows where a landmark is and she stops. I take a 45 degree angle using a bit of peripheral vision. She asks why not use my phone I say it has no signal (true, and side note, I should start going out without a phone and asking what time it is). She looks it up and is going that way so I lead a walk. I ask her name and repeat it perfectly and give mine, which makes her give hard submissive downward eye contact break. She checks her time, displaying the background pic of her boyfriend's face. Is this her subconscious screen for impudence and offloading responsibility?

I ask where she's from and say her accent is very nice. She says Indian as if like duh obviously, but I say it sounds British and she looks as if you got me and says yes, she used to live in London. Friendly conversational tone and she is in an actual rush to leave town in two hours with three stops to make. I ask if she is single and she says no. I ask more about timing and mention heading back to my airbnb. She gives her timeline for real, like not in a brushoff way, but in an honest way. She seemed pretty attracted and in an actual rush. She was a business grad, looked late 20's stressed out Chief of Staff of something with a major presentation to make Monday, worried about missing her flight. Do you have to go for in instant bathroom pull in these situations?

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Girl will be starting second year undergrad this year, blonde blue eyes petite. Prettiest girl I've ever talked to who would scare a lot of guys shitless. My heart raced, but after the last one I had to keep going. My phone actually died so I went up and said my phone is dead and asked if I could ask her a favor to look up which way to a landmark. I said I chose her to ask because I thought she was cute and I wanted to meet her. She was sitting on a blanket on the grass, sketching the architecture. I asked if she was an artist. She was in biomedical engineering and wanted to be a doctor. She was shielding her eyes from the bright sun with her hand and was clearly intent on maintaining eye contact and continuing the conversation.

I asked her name and explained my friend getting sick and only being there for the night. It seems this is an extremely fine early screen that polarizes and loses girls so early into the interaction before much arousal is built because of fast compliance ask. I asked if she wanted to come walk with me and completely blanked on a reason, which was then essentially subtext for asking her to fuck. She obviously said she was ok here "for now", which I completely fucked up on persisting on instead of interpreting as "not yet, but get me there". I asked if she had plans that night instead of cooling it. I could have committed to the interaction longer. She said she had plans with some people. I forget how exactly I ended it, but it was positive and upbeat thanking her for her help. I feel like if I saw her later, she would have been receptive to talk. I did not really gauge her sexual interest though. I need to talk slower and dial in a more seductive vibe. I have thought the frame of going up to approach her and being a stranger in town short term is enough to then start trust building and moving her, but I am not building enough arousal and need better fundamentals, like facial expressions and nonverbal mannerisms. Too much rapport or too soon?

After moving on, I asked another girl for directions and she enthusiastically helped and stood in close proximity next to me to get the map direction straight, also saying "we" can figure it out. She was in a red dress and docs with a septum piercing and really pretty, but I seem to be picky about clear skin and was not feeling it, also maybe due to slight state drop, or would have asked if she was single. That is an excuse. Also I have been thinking resistance may be a necessary evolutionary screen. With online I have even started to expect a flake test of your neediness is almost a mandatory check for safety that she does. So maybe like expecting a girl to test for subservience early, she is also always going to say no, probably because she is genuinely not feeling it YET, but actually needs to go through the process of submission and being seduced. I always forget a girl's mood can shift in an instant.

 

[KJ Francis]

YOU: We should head to yours. You can show me your guitars.​

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HER: Oh, no. My place is a complete mess right now.​

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YOU: What, like boxes to the ceiling? Bras hanging from the chandelier? Two months of dirty dishes in the sink and rats living openly in the middle of the bedroom floor? How bad we talking here?​

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HER: [laughs] Well like I have some empty pizza boxes and a few piles of dirty laundry.​

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YOU: Oh my God, you're an amateur. That is NOT a mess. Take me to see your guitars, that's nothing.​

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HER: [laughs] Okay, well I warned you!​

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YOU: Unless there are stray dogs fighting over bones in your hallway I am not even going to notice.​

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HER: [laughs]​

ok so assuming authority and leading, excuse being her investment
outframing as ridiculous
totally dismissing
reassurance

thanks Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

@Karea Ricardus D. do you recommend Mystery structure attraction, then comfort, then seduction? He claims approaching singles is level zero freebie game. I think I'm missing teasing, cold reads, push/pull, and chase frames.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Yes I do recommend. And yes you are missing those elements.

As for level zero, I agree with Ross, it's viable. But there are still ways to use social proof and you should use those. (demonstrate it, talk about it, invite her to social events)

 

[Chase]

@Francis,

@Chase ,

Would you diagnose my main sticking point as persistence?

I think you are hitting these obstacles with girls, thinking to yourself, "Well, I see no way around this other than pestering her repeatedly and getting shot down, so I guess that's the end of it."

What you should be saying to yourself is, "How do I get around this obstacle in a way that does not raise her resistance up?"

Really to a fair extent these different routes around different obstacles are patterns you learn.

Like, if a girl is waiting for a date, the first thing that should occur to you is, "Ooh, first date? This girl's ripe for the picking." So then you are going to ask her some questions about how far along she is with this guy then throw your hat into the ring for her.

Or if a girl is telling you her apartment is messy, and that is the main reason she cannot go back with you, your thought should be, "Is that it? That is not a very strong objection. I bet I can beat that one."

Is that 'persistence'? Persistence is the behavior, of course. But in your case the mental processes behind the behavior is what's driving it.

I suspect you are hitting these points of resistance from women and accepting them at face value:

1. "She's on a date? Shucks, she's spoken for! Anyway, onto the next one!"
2. "Her apartment is messy? Ah well. Maybe we can do something next time!"

Maybe we'd say what you're lacking here is sufficient critical thinking.

The real question should be, "Does this XYZ reason mean she is LEGITIMATELY unavailable to me? Or is this something surmountable?"

A girl on a first date with a guy she knows little better than you is far from off the market. On average women only sleep with 1 out of 3 guys they go on first dates with. 66% of the time you catch a girl on a first date it's going absolutely nowhere. A girl on a first date is already telling you, "I'm single and looking HARD for a guy -- I mean here I am, on a date!" 66% of the time she's going to leave that date disappointed. She is as prime as it gets.

A girl whose excuse to not come home is that her apartment messy -- well, is she just giving you any old excuse to blow you off, or is she actually interested and just self-conscious about her place? It's worth finding out if it's the latter, because if it is, then if you can reassure her, you get the lay.

We're not talking about blind persistence here.

We're talking about taking a step back to evaluate what the obstacle you've encountered means, and if there might be a way around it.

Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

@Karea Ricardus D. Are you setting sexual frames verbally as early as A2? He says fast pulls stem from her naivete and lead to buyer's remorse? Failed S3 basically, no lock-in. It seems Ross has a vasectomy and is focused on emotional states that lead to decisions. Mystery seems psyched to be a father and all about our limited mating window, replication and survival value being inseparable (with an emphasis on the latter), and social proof for his main attraction triggers including being a leader of men and a protector of the group.

In a transient same day lay situation though, are you not the bird who drops his genes into her nest and bolts, or the spider who launches off of her before he can get eaten? I read Franco said the good girls leading from the heart will test for safety, but the adventuress may need to not feel safe with you. If you are building a comfort level of protection of the nest, are you not signaling you do not have a million more to move on to?

In my head, the ultimate speed seduction is starting at C2.5 and moving qualification to S4 when she is asking to see you again. Perhaps impossible, and I get you want her to be selling herself to you at the bar, but why would you not start with testing compliance as far as possible, move to arousal when you have to, and comfort through establishing attitude similarity only when you further have to? SAC backwards. "These are just some of my thoughts" - Mystery lol


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@Chase , oh Jake's a flash animation! haha I started writing sentimentally about this path you showed me about a decade ago. Being prepared with relationship management totally saved my ass through a first strong pair bond. It was an incredible experience. I ultimately was unwilling to provide for Cinderella, or be budged beyond secret lover really. I will write about it after more oxytocin replacement therapy.

I really appreciate the time you have taken to analyze and offer insight. Are you sure I can't just throw her over my shoulder and start running to the airbnb? Real empiricists test!

Lol I guess I have assumed she's never going to verbalize the real objection. Maybe I am over-assuming attraction and that everything is ASD haha. I made the guitar invite 10-15 minutes after meeting her and figured the arousal simply was not built yet. I intended to take a stroll and then give it another shot after some comfort building, but she went so hardcore into deep diving herself like she had never had the chance to talk about herself before. She was wearing a cute sundress, but had a few tattoos, was the sister of a stripper, used to ride a motorcycle, and spent time in Argentina exploring the metal scene with some guy whose name she couldn't remember.

I've always thought you need to work on her reptile brain with proximity, tension, and leading. Then plausible deniability and such is for her social conditioning level - not to trick her whatsoever, but to work purely with implication and subtext to give her the excuse to play along, knowing exactly what you're doing. I was in town for only one night with the girl who had a date, but should practice moving forward regardless. I guess I have been looking for ways around describing how the color of the sunset and gentle breeze we're feeling make me feel so free and in the present that she should fully immerse herself in the moment we're connecting in, since tomorrow we may die!

Ok so it sounds like what I need is strategy - find ways to wrangle a victory through calibrated means and lead her forward in her dance toward the bed. I guess that means constantly monitoring VAC and SAC like five gauges or meters, readjusting as I drive. I will keep the focus on finding ways to surmount obstacles while deftly maneuvering around resistance. Time to get more reference points! I'm just talking in circles while it's sunny out.

Edit counterpoint: if she's not worth spending seven hours with, move on... Depends on goal...

Another good one

 

[KJ Francis]

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[Karea Ricardus D.]

Are you setting sexual frames verbally as early as A2?

Yes, but very subtly, even in A1. My opener hints that I date casually, seeing someone but not serious with her. Then in A2 I start framing for sexual fracture, in A3 I start framing against jealousy and so forth. My entire verbal game is laced with frames throughout. But it's extremely subtle in the early phases. It just sounds like normal conversation if you overheard the convo and you're not familiar with framing and don't know what to look for, you'd think I'm just making chit chat. So it doesn't raise any ASD.

He says fast pulls stem from her naivete and lead to buyer's remorse?

Yeah, what I'm describing isn't for fast pulls. In my experience you can consistenlty pull a girl in 4 hours. Some will put out in 3 but I got a lot of LMR when I made every date 3 hours long (with sexual escalation at the 3 hour mark). After 4 hours almost no LMR.

Of course there are some girls who do need 7 to 10 hours, if they're very shy or inexperienced or religious or this or that. And some girls put out in 20 minutes, I've had I think 7 or 8 lays in less than an hour or so. But I found 4 hours to be the average for solid game, not 7 as Mystery says.

And I think that's because Mystery frames for "girl-friend" throughout while I frame for "friends" and "sex" throughout. (combined those two frames basically set a fuckbuddy frame... btw I don't say the word "friend" mroe than once but that's the overall vibe, it's not romantic, it's friendly and sexual.

Failed S3 basically, no lock-in.

I recommend you read my Mystery Method thread, you seem to be unclear about some things. S3 and lock-in have nothing to do with each other, S3 is literally just "sex". So a fools mate is not "failed S3". And lock-in comes very early, it's a very simple body language thing and could easily be part of a fools mate lay.

In a transient same day lay situation though, are you not the bird who drops his genes into her nest and bolts, or the spider who launches off of her before he can get eaten?

That all depends on the frames you set. You could have a transient daygame encounter and fuck her a half hour later in your downtown condo, or you could marry her two years later. Both could stem from a quick SDL.

I read Franco said the good girls leading from the heart will test for safety, but the adventuress may need to not feel safe with you.

Yeah, that's what I mentioned earlier... some girls will put out in an hour or less, but many won't. You should get most girls in 4 hours unless she's very religious or inexperienced, virgin, has a BF, those kinds of things.

If you are building a comfort level of protection of the nest, are you not signaling you do not have a million more to move on to?

Yes you do, especially if you do this early. I would not recommend this, it will slow down the lay and cause LMR. The reason Mystery gets so much LMR is because he constantly frames for "girl-friend" throughout. Mostly with his hijacked my brain campaign and being so non-sexual.

He will say going sexual early is a risk but it can be calibrated where you throw a bit of sexual vibe and see how she responds to that. Thigns can escalate VERY quickly that way. And if she doesn't engage with it, no harm no foul no penalty. I'm talking about subtle stuff, like a look or a raised eyebrow or a very subtle and classy comment, not groping her.

In my head, the ultimate speed seduction is starting at C2.5 and moving qualification to S4 when she is asking to see you again.

Lol C2.5 and S4? That's not part of Mystery Method but hey if it works for you! Moving qualification after sex doesn't make sense to me, unless you're qualifying for girl-friend, in which case, yes. But even in an SDL I qualify, but I qualify on personality (I think she's cool) and sexuality (I think she's sexy). That's qualification, and you can make her work for it (build compliance), which also really solidifies the frames.

Perhaps impossible, and I get you want her to be selling herself to you at the bar, but why would you not start with testing compliance as far as possible, move to arousal when you have to, and comfort through establishing attitude similarity only when you further have to?

Yeah, I agree, I would just caveat that it has to be done very subtly in the beginning in case she doesn't bite, the set is safe. Then if she bites, you can ramp it up. Gradually, step by step. Nothing abrupt. HTH!

 

[KJ Francis]

@Karea Ricardus D.

Wow that is advanced. This was all very helpful, thank you. I will do some more searching through your posts. I do like the idea of using subtle frames rather than explicit sex talk. It seems more seductive and suave to work with implication.

Oh by lock-in I meant mate lock-in, like "conversion" as a partner after three lays minimum.

Lol by C2.5 and S4, I mean like if you start at an "it's on" moment and skip rapport until the pillow talk. Like if you open a hotel room door and there's a girl eye fucking you walking in the empty hallway. Say she's a hedonist, very high partner count. This is like a teenager fantasy, but hypothetically, if you want to retain the option of making her a medium term casual partner, I was wondering if you would slow it down to backtrack and hit all the steps.

I guess if I meet a potential mother of my children during day game, I never really thought you could be shooting yourself in the foot by moving too fast. I still want to start as the lover and a same day lay ideally, but I hope attainability and ambiguousness of long term potential is enough rather than four hours of comfort building. Keeping the set safe through gradually ramping up does sound like a good strategy though.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

@Karea Ricardus D.

Wow that is advanced. This was all very helpful, thank you. I will do some more searching through your posts. I do like the idea of using subtle frames rather than explicit sex talk. It seems more seductive and suave to work with implication.

yes, start subtle and gradually get more explicit.

Oh by lock-in I meant mate lock-in, like "conversion" as a partner after three lays minimum.

ah, gotcha.

Lol by C2.5 and S4, I mean like if you start at an "it's on" moment and skip rapport until the pillow talk. Like if you open a hotel room door and there's a girl eye fucking you walking in the empty hallway. Say she's a hedonist, very high partner count. This is like a teenager fantasy, but hypothetically, if you want to retain the option of making her a medium term casual partner, I was wondering if you would slow it down to backtrack and hit all the steps.

this is a very good question. and very interesting to discuss. i've done that once. it's kind of a funny story.

i had met this girl and talked to her for all but 10 minutes, she was showing me an apartment for rent. afterwards i called her back cause i liked her, i had no reason to call (i wasn't going to rent the apartment),

so i called to tell her that i'm not going to rent it, and stacked into some chit chat... we hung up and she texted me "so Karea, where are you going to sleep tonight? maybe you would like to sleep with me?"

i slowed her way down because of what you just wrote, I wanted to fuck her more than once so I was worried that jumping at the sex right away might end up being only a ONS. This was in 2007.

A few years later when I was way more sexual myself in my game, I always joked about this lay. Like "she gave me an IOI... so now I move into A3." when clearly she was like "hey S3 let's go?" It was pretty funny.

I'm still not quite sure what the right answer is because this only happened to me once in my life. Maybe some of the hotter guys here can chime in because it tends to happen more frequently to them.

Maybe if you jump at it and write back "sure I"ll sleep with you, what time do you want me to come over?" She'll start playing hard to get and cock tease you and be like "I was just joking" or whatever else and start to make you chase. Like her comment was just bait. That's one risk

ANother risk is that you go over there and fuck her and then right after sex she gets dressed because she was just ovulating and needed a good fuck but she doesn't know like or trust you, so she wants rid of you quickly.

SO maybe I did the right thing then, slowing that girl down, moving her back from her "let's sleep together tonight" to A3 and a normal drinks date and then fucking her after chatting for a few hours. She became a solid fuck buddy after this.

There's another factor involved as well, the more you get laid, the less you want repeats. When I was fucking 10-15 girls a month, I was utterly disinterested in doing any repeats with any girls. MAYBE one repeat, if she was very very good, but that was it.

And to have that kind of sexual vibe where sexual encounters happen super fast like this, you do need some serious abundance going. Now that we're talking about this, I'd like to field test it some more, but right now I'm busy... ha. maybe next year.

I guess if I meet a potential mother of my children during day game, I never really thought you could be shooting yourself in the foot by moving too fast. I still want to start as the lover and a same day lay ideally, but I hope attainability and ambiguousness of long term potential is enough rather than four hours of comfort building. Keeping the set safe through gradually ramping up does sound like a good strategy though.

Yeah, just make sure you get enough qualification and comfort in before you split, whether that be before sex or after. You don't want her to leave the interaction with insufficient qualification or comfort to see you again. But that's about it.

You don't need to worry about framing when she moves so fast. She knows the score in that case. What you do need to worry about is having enough of a connection that she will call you again. But you can do that after sex if you do it right I guess.

Bit of a rambling rant but maybe some useful ideas in it for you.
-Karea

 

[KJ Francis]

@Karea Ricardus D. I know you aren't around so much now, but you could ramble about literally anything seduction related and I'll read it three times.