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Kvothe

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So met this girl towards the end of February, she's a flight attendant, and when I asked for her number, she said she wasn't looking for a relationship. I told her it was just drinks and persisted and got her number. Over text she became progressively warmer so I felt that it would be a solid night.

We met up nearby and I told her she looked cute. Talked a bit about her work and asked her what sort of trouble she'd gotten into recently. We talk about traveling for the majority of the walk to the bar, sharing favorite places, etc. I also tell her I dislike SF, and she tells me her thoughts. Once at the bar, I ask her what she wants, and she gets an IPA, I get a vodka tonic. The distance between us is good, but could be closer, so I find my favorite sitting place in the bar, which forces us to be sitting very close to each other. This allows me to build incidental touch and touch her leg and arm easily. She's super compliant to it. She eventually starts playfully hitting me back, which is good.

I asked her how she got into her field, and it wasn't too much there, since she just knew she wanted to be in the industry. She asked me about mine, and I told my doctor story about how I went to India and my uncle showed me an operation featuring an overweight 65 year old woman with pubic hair as long as Santa Claus' beard, but grey and dirty. I told this to make it a sexual joke, but I'm worried it may have set a frame that I dislike pubic hair, which could have caused an issue later. After I finished the story, I said that maybe if she'd been younger and more beautiful, I would have found it more interesting.

After that I go into why I dislike SF, talking about lack of fashion, all tech people, and a discretion frame about everyone knowing each others' business.

Conversation is pretty well distributed, I do deep diving on her hobbies, and lifestyle, and share some stories myself to relate back. I set premise a good number of times, for example: she said she loved crime thrillers and mysteries as a kid, so I said it was the perfect back story for a serial killer, and that she'd definitely take advantage of me if we ended up alone. Also while talking about how I dislike SF, I said that I liked our city because I could meet more diverse people, including extremely cute flight attendants. She mentioned she liked photography, so I should have misconstrued as saying, "haha it's way too early for you to try and lure me in for some nude portraits, but nice try ;)".

She mentions she had three weeks off, so wanted to go to her home country to see her family, but wasn't sure yet.

She asks me about my job, and if there's a lot of math involved. I tell her no, and she says she's not as good at math. I tell her I could tell that she's super into math nerds, and I knew from the start. Later she tells me she loves Chicago more than New York, so I tell her, "oh no, and here I thought we were going to get along", to do some push-pull. Same thing when I tell her I dislike one of her type of foods or something, except I pretend that I should just leave now.

While talking about books, I said I loved fantasy novels, and when I was younger I had always imagined traveling the world, seducing beautiful women, and fighting for good. Should have brought this back around to her, but the conversation moved on too quickly to do so. She asks how old I am and I tell her to guess. She guesses 29, and can't believe that I'm 23. I guess her age as 23, but she's actually 27. I get called so many different ages, that I realize girls will project whatever age they want onto you that they want to believe.

Set a decent number of sexual/chase frames that I don't remember at the moment, but she laughed and enjoyed them.

When I noticed our drinks running out, I told her we should head out after we finish. I ask if she enjoys mixing her own drinks. I tell her I have a lot of mixers at my place, and some really high quality ginger beer that she'll love. She is down, so I go back to our conversation. Once we finish our drinks, I tell her that we should bounce, and we head to mine.

Overall took 1 hour to pull home.

I talk most of the time during the walk home, keeping it light and fun. We get home, and my roommate is watching TV. I have her take off her shoes and her coat at the door. I give her a tour, then we both use the bathroom. I get us both some ginger beers, and then tell her that I need to show her my room. We go inside, and I close the door and lock it while she gazes at my view in amazement (I've gotten good at locking my door without anyone hearing). We sit on my bed and she shows me her planner which she uses to plan her trips and travels. I show a lot of different mementos in my room. During this time, I'm trying to find the best way to kiss, but she keeps turning her face from me. Eventually, we both stand up as I show her something, and I put both of our drinks down. Walk to the center of the room, and she's not facing me, so I pull her chin up, and kiss her, lightly. I pull back, and then do it again. I break it with some conversation throughout, and eventually we start making out. Some time into it, I go to pull off her sweater, and she says she doesn't want to have sex. I say "sex, who was saying anything about sex? I just want to take your sweater off. Sex is gross". I say all this with a smirking smile and laugh to show I'm joking, and she takes off her sweater. I continue making out, and when I try to take off her shirt she stops me again, I tell her I promise we won't do anything unless she wants to, but she still is not okay. Following this, whenever I go to remove an item of clothing, I ask her if I can take it off. This may have been an issue, so maybe I should not have started doing this, and just taken it off in a fit of passion. The reason I didn’t do this was because I felt that doing the passionate route would have scared her off. I keep escalating, moving my hands over her body. She gets really hot and heavy when I lick her neck and chest, so I do that, and while doing so pull down her shirt and bra to lick her nipples. I thought this would be enough to make her want to take the shirt off herself, but she still doesn't want to. Around this time she starts grabbing my dick, so I take off my pants and underwear. We continue, and I pull her skirt up to her waist, and I can feel the heat coming from her pussy onto my leg. She's moaning and stuff, but still isn't letting herself go fully. At one point I ask if she feels uncomfortable for any reason, and she says no. Continue making out, and I'm squeezing her ass and beginning to run my hands along the front of her pants in front of vagina. I feel what might be some hair, which is why I'm worried about the frame I set earlier. Maybe she's self conscious about pubic hair. I also see what looks like it could be a liner or pad, so maybe she's on her period. This continues for another 15 minutes and in between we've been stopping and sitting on the bed staring at each other. I can tell she really wants to keep going, but she is stopping herself.

Throughout this she mentions that my roommate is close and can probably hear. I dismiss it saying he can’t hear and the walls are thick. I should have started playing a movie instead and turned off the lights.

About 2 hours into the whole making out, she checks her phone (it's about 10:45PM), and says she should be heading out. I tell her she's welcome to crash at my place, but she says no thanks. She then proceeds to sit in my lap and cuddles there for a bit. After this she says it's time she heads out, so we put our clothes back on, and I walk her to the train station. She's more touchy and warm on the walk back, and when we hit the train station, she gives me a really strong hug, and we have a quick peck on the lips. I tell her if she ends up not going to her home country, that we should get together soon, otherwise maybe we can try after she's back, and she seems very receptive.

Some things I'm not sure about. She is on vacation from today, so there was no real reason for her needing to leave from my place early. The only thing I can assume is that she didn't want to lose control, and have sex, so she felt leaving was the better option. I say this because she was very comfortable with me and was clearly having a good time. I'm also not sure how to have dealt with the LMR, I couldn't figure out what her objection was, so it was hard to deal with it.

Overall, still a good time, and enjoyed her company. I do want to see her again, and she was really attractive to me. During the escalation at one point she moaned my name, and another time, just said, "sexy". Wish I were better equipped to deal with LMR, but it's a curve. Glad my cold streak is fading away with Spring, and I'm expecting a lot of fun in the future.
 
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BigPapa

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You moved way faster than her . She still had most of the clothes on her , while you took off your pants and underwear . That was the moment when she knew you want her more than she wants you :)

everything is about sex , except sex which is about power
 

Kvothe

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@BigPapa

I get this. I think a big part was definitely that I should have stepped back for a second and played a movie or something. Continuing to push after repeated resistance is needy and looks bad.

Taking off my pants was because she had started grabbing my dick haha
 

BigPapa

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Well it is better that you pushed , than not pushing haha

I would say the foul play was with taking your underwear off before she was naked . For sure she wanted something to happen but did not wanted to look like a slut first of all , and maybe also wanted to test you if you are really into her or just want to bang her , and you taking your clothes at a faster rate then her just made her change her mind about having sex with you
 

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Well an interesting update to this.

I got a butt dial from this girl, more than a year after we had met and the texts fizzled out. Most likely an attention grab, so I reached out and set up a FaceTime call with her.

Because it was a FT call, I recorded it, because I want to see how I sounded, and to take better notes. I'll transcribe the conversation here.

I wore a black t shirt, with grey sweatpants, since I was taking the call from home. She was dressed also in a black t shirt haha. She looked much the same from before, and still very attractive to me.

I'll mark the places with conversation points of interest, but I transcribed almost everything but stupid details below.



Introduction, a quick catch up of what's been going on

Me: Hey, what's up! How are you HBK? It's so good to see you again
Her: Hey, how have you been? Are you in the city right now?
Me: Yeah I'm here right now. I moved back like 2 months ago
Her: Oh really?
Me: Do you remember how in the summer it gets so humid you just have to turn on the AC?
Her: Right
Me: It has not been that way here. It has been so cold and I am waiting for it to get warm. How was your Memorial Day? Were you able to go out and do fun stuff?
Her: This weekend, no, just same, nothing special. You?
Me: I was hoping to. Just the way Memorial Day works it feels like everyone is looking forward to going out and seeing all their friends they haven't seen. And it was just cold. It was just raining every day, the entire day.
Her: I've heard everything is starting to open up.
Me: Yeah, I've heard the same for California
Her: Have you been vaccinated
Me: I did, I got it a while ago
Her: Oh yeah, so you were back home for a year?
Me: I think I moved back last March itself. There was a lot of stuff between COVID and family
Her: You're from CA?
Me: Yeah originally. But how are you liking LA? You look like you're dressed like it's very warm
Her: Yeah... it's LA. Day is warm, nights cool. I love LA so much, I love hiking. It's just so funny that my phone called you. I felt so bad. Especially since this is not the first time. And it's funny because your name doesn't even start with A, it's Kvothe right? And for some reason my phone always calls you
Me: No, I don't mind... It's such a pleasant surprise.
Her: Aw
Me: When did you move to LA? 5 months ago?
Her: Yeah, I got temporarily laid off and went to my home country for a few months. And 5 months ago the company called us back. So I moved back to the states, but I didn't want to move back to the East Coast, so I moved to the West Coast. So why not?
Me: That's really good. What I remember from LA is beautiful weather, palm trees everywhere.
Her: Yeah... it's just so expensive.
Me: You're still flying right?
Her: I'm flying, but not a lot. I actually have a training in near you, so I have to commute.
Me: If you were to fly back, do you usually fly back between LA and this city? What's your route now
Her: I have to go back to the city every time I have a trip, and then fly back to the city before going back to LA
Me: That's a long commute haha. How was your trip to your home country? I remember when we last talked, COVID was just picking up
Her: Really? It was so long ago. I don't even remember
Me: Was it two years? It feels like the winter and I remember reading news about COVID. And I feel like you might have mentioned something about your family back home
Her: Oh probably, definitely more than a year ago. What a year. You're working from home right?
Me: Yeah I was living from home, but there is just a level of independence you get that you can't from living with your parents. Like you just want to be your own person. Do what you want without worrying what everyone in the household is thinking of.
Her: Especially you're so used to living alone. And then living with your family, sounds crazy
Me: There were some perks. Living with you family is time you can't get back.
<some conversation about my dogs>

Discussing her move back to her home country. She asks me an Imagine question haha

Me: How was your trip in your home country?
Her: Just spent a lot of time with family. It makes me want to go back more. I really miss my familiy these days
Me: I mean it's really good to spend that time. I imagine you guys ate a lot of good food. I don't know how bad your home country was...
Her: They haven't even gotten vaccinated yet
Me: Did you get it?
Her: Yeah, I got it! Are you excited to travel again?
Me: I want to so bad. I haven't gotten to go anywhere in a while.
Her: Where would you go? What's your dream destination?
Me: Right now my dream would be Mexico. I want to go to a beach and spend all day in the yellow sand, the sun warming every part of me. Eat good food, meet new, exciting people. Like you don't have to worry about nosy, judgmental people. You can just do whatever you want.
<A vaccuum interrupts, so she goes upstairs so we can talk better>

An unexpected, but very pleasant non-sequiter

Her: Yeah so I'm still based in your city, so whenever I come back, maybe we can hang out?
Me: Yeah, that would be great
Her: Are you at the same place?
Me: No, I actually moved
Her: Are you in the same neighborhood
Me: So I really liked the old view, if you remember. But it was so far from everything. So we moved somewhere more central. It's more lively, there's more people. There's more energy in the air. But my roommate took the apartment with all the natural light.
Her: So now you don't get the light?
Me: Yeah haha, and it just makes it so difficult for me to wake up. I just want to stay in bed and... laze about.
<Some conversation on picking apartment>

Diving deep with richer verbals onto the joys of making new connections

Me: What about you, who are you living with right now?
Her: I have roommates, she's a flight attendant. I met her as soon as I moved to LA, and we just clicked so well, and we started living together.
Me: That's so awesome. When you meet someone new. Sometimes it doesn't click, and sometimes it does click immediately and you just feel so connected to each other. And other times, it can be like where you met each other and it did click, but then you disconnected for a little while. And you reconnect later, and that chemistry, that excitement is still there. Does that make sense?
Her: Yeah. Like you just never know.
Me: But it's always exciting, because it can take life down some very different paths. But it can make it better for having gone down them.
Her: Yeah. I'm just so lucky to have met my friend. She's super nice, and I can imagine if I hadn't met her, life in LA would have been much harder.
Me: I remember when I first moved out here. I didn't have that many friends. It's so difficult. You really have to put yourself out there. It's scary at first
Her: I knowww.
Me: It's scary, and you put yourself out there. But it's so important to do it, because you grow as a person. What do you do in LA?
Her: Besides working?
Me: Besides working
Her: I go on hikes. And I started rollerblading.
Me: That's exciting!
Her; Do you know?
Me: Yeah, when I was younger, my family friend actually taught me. It's probably one of my earliest childhood memories.
Her: Yeah, I used to when I was younger. But I haven't after growing up. I saw a lot of people in LA and thought that it was a good workout. And now I do it by the beach
Me: When you do it, does it remind you how it felt as a kid?
Her: Yeah, it's crazy, it feels like my body just remembers how to ride.
Me: That's awesome

Some qualifying and expanding on new chapters and new beginnings

Her: Hiking, going to beach. Lots of nature
Me: Yeah I miss that in the city. You never see it as good here.
Her: Yeah, I think I like CA more
Me: I left home because I was seeing the same faces over and over again. Everyone worked in the same industry. So I went where I didn't know as many people. Where I could make these new experiences, have these adventures. And be more spontaneous. Which is amazing that you're doing it too, just in a different direction.
Her: Moving across country wasn't easy.
<some discussion of moving>
Her: It's like a new chapter
Me: Yeah. Those new chapters are good because, they're just... new. They're something you haven't experienced before. When you start feeling in a rut, or that you're a little bored... those big moves can really give you a sense of rejuvenation... a sense of refreshment
Her: Especially with the pandemic. I really needed refreshment like you said
Me: I'm glad it was, you look like you're doing quite well

Conversation on family

Her: You too! How was your pandemic?
Me: It was tough early on... some family losses. That beginning part was rough, but it was mildly lucky to be forced to go back home for a year. It would have been really tough to have been in New York during that time. But once 2021 hit, I just needed to move out
Her: Yeah you just start getting on each others nerves
<some conversation on family dynamics at home>
Her: I was only home for 4 months, so not too many crazy fights
Me: It was probably different for you, since you hadn't seen your parents in much longer. And 4 months seems like that sweet spot where you can really enjoy every moment, but before you start getting annoyed with each other.
Me: At some point it was so strange being back. I was just like I don't remember how to talk to you.
<Discussion about my work from home vs work from office>

On restarting

Her: I'm not ready to go back to normal life. I need more time to be mentally ready
Me: It's tough adjusting back. For so long you've been staying in your own circles.
Her: Yeah, I was depressed. I gained weight.
Me: Me too
Her: You look the exact same
Me: I gained a lot, I've started losing it again. You also look basically the same by the way
Her: I've lost some, but I still have some ways to go
Me: Same
<Some conversation about going to the gym>
Her: I'll go to gym, but I prefer working out outdoors
Me: I never do cardio in the gyms. If I'm going to do cardio, I'll go outside
<Conversation about good running routes where I used to live>
Me: When you go running there, there's a fresh breeze from the river, so you never feel hot. and the sun is coming down, so you feel warm, and energized. How is the hiking in LA?
Her: So every weekend, I go somewhere new. So amazing, so pretty.
<Conversation on hiking spot, she shows me some hiking pictures>
<Conversation about where she lives in LA, she lives near the beach>
Me: It sounds like a very fun area. I know if I were to ever move, I'd live by the beach
Her: Just come visit me in LA
Me: Of course, I would love to
Her: I'll visit you
Me: That sounds great. I would love to visit LA, it's so cold here, and I'd do anything to go somewhere warm. Visiting LA would be fun. Spend the day by the beach laying in the sand, getting a good tan.
<What she misses about NY>

An extremely unexpected non-sequiter (this is an important part that I think I handled okay, but could have been handled better)

Her: How's your dating life?
Me: It's the normal I mean. It goes on you know. I think people are still making their new connections. It's interesting, because everyone feels a little more open these days
Her: Really?
Me: In a way. Some ways they're closed off, in others they're more open. With bars closed down, we start looking more to make genuine connections with people. It becomes less superficial. You really like to talk, develop those sparks, that chemistry and passion. That feels a little different than last year. But other times, you end up running into a new connection, and you reignite some chemistry that was there before that you never got to explore to its fullest. And events like that can be super exciting as well

I specifically said the above and transitioned to a frame of what the two of us were doing as being reigniting something from before. Maybe I should have just said something simple, like "Yeah, I'm single".

On dating apps, and dating during the pandemic, and dating in general:

Her: Are you on dating apps?
Me: Nah, I deleted them a while ago. You?
Her: I use Hinge, but I never go on
Me: Yeah, so how is it for you?
Her: How's my dating life?
Me: No, like how are the men you meet? Do they tend to be more strange, or more normal? I feel like I've heard a lot of negative things from my friends, who say that it's not very good to be a girl on a dating app. It's just a bunch of creepy guys
Her: From my experience, I don't have any crazy stories. But I don't know if dating apps really work for me. I haven't found some chemistry
Me: It's difficult to find
Her: And as you get older, it's more difficult to find
Me: Yeah, someone who you look into their eyes, you feel this flutter in your stomach, some excitement you didn't really expect, but it just makes you feel a little bit of a shiver. And that's not something I've experienced from a dating app.
Her: And in the pandemic, you're all by yourself. So I got used to be single.
Me: It's difficult to be in a relationship when you're living with your parents.
Her: Right
Me: In a way though, it lets you build up that independence. It helps you realize you can be your own person. It becomes more important that these connections you make are more genuine and real. Rather than something more shallow that you just find yourself falling into. But that's why I like meeting people organically, where you can talk to face to face, hear their voice and get their 3 dimensions. <She turns her head during this part, I think unconsciously showing me her three dimensions>
Her: Yeah, and if you're on apps, there are so many choices. It's so weird that there's technology to make it easier, but it makes it even harder. So many matches, but you can't force relationships.
Me: Yeah, I think we both have the same sort of views. We prefer genuine, real connections where the sparks are there... where the passion is high and you just see each other... and you're just full of passion for each other. Those are the kinds of relationships that I find best, where there's a fire to them. They're not just something you sit in because they're there. You want to be in them and see this person. And being around them just sets you a little bit on fire.
Her: For some people it works well, it doesn't for me, and it looks like it doesn't for you either
Me: I have a lot of friends who swipe all day. It just seems so unromantic, but maybe I'm just romantic
Her: I get what you're saying. You want to find something organic. But it will come if it's meant to be

On traveling:

Me: If you were to come back, when would you plan to come back?
Her: I'll be back in July, and I have a training next week there. I don't think I'll fly in June
Me: Are you excited? I know you said you're nervous, but is it an excited nervous?
Her: Yeah, I just need to find a place to stay
Me: Yeah it's exciting... because you get another chance to start
Her: Yeah
Me: Where would you go if could travel somewhere?
Her: I'd go to Italy
Me: Let me ask you this. Imagine you fly to Italy, and your plane has landed, and you drop off your luggage. What's the first thing you see yourself doing?
Her: Probably a nap first
<She gives me a full routine of her plans, getting very immersed in the description>
Me: I remember I went to Italy a while ago. Everyone wears colorful clothing.
Her: Where did you go?
Me: I went to Florence and Milan, and the food was so good.
<Some convo on food>
Her: I want to go to Tuscany
Me: I think that's a much more rustic area. Good for hiking and nature, so right up your alley
Her: I can't wait
Me: It'll be amazing. If I were going to Europe, I'd go to Spain
Her: It sounds like you travel a lot
Me: I used to.
<I show her a map which has all the places I've traveled marked>
Me: You can look at the map and think back to fond memories
<I show her the map more closely>
Me: You hang it somewhere where you can see it as you fall asleep. It reminds you of all the good times, the good memories, the friends that you made, and the friends you traveled with along the way
Her: Did you travel with your friends?
Me: I do... both. Traveling with friends is fun and exciting because you're making new memories with these people you've spent so much time with before. While traveling alone allows you to meet new people, and learn more about yourself. So I think it's better to have a mixture of both.
Her: You said you want to go to Mexico next? Where?
Me: I think I'd want to go Tulum
Her: And it's so close to Cancun
Me: I know. I love the beach, and I love spending time in warm water. I moved to New York because I wanted the city, but whenver I travel, I want to be out in nature

A cold read on the type of person she is, and how she's not the type to stay in one place:

Her: Do you think you're going to stay there
Me: Yeah, I think for a while anyway
Her: But with your job you can work from anywhere
Me: Yeah.
<Some convo about my work environment>
Her: People you work with are the most important
Me: Do you work with the same crews every time?
Her: No. Every time I meet new people
Me: Are there some who are less exciting than others
Her: If I meet a good crew, we become friends forever
Me: It seems like being in the flight service is an amazing way to meet new people, travel, and do those things that everyone says they want to do, but don't. If you ask people what they want most, it's always "travel", "meet new people", "have adventures"... and it looks like you get to that automatically from your work. Which is just so awesome.
Her: And you can be anywhere. You just have to commute
Me: You have to have that spontaneity, that zest. And it's what I like... You look like you have that spontaneity, that desire for adventure. You probably get bored of being in the same place for too long.
Her: Same place, yeah. I don't know. I've been like this my entire life. I can never stay in the same place
Me: I mean, I like that. It's such an exciting and vibrant way to live. Because you just do so much more. You have so much more life experience, and you've seen so much more of the world. And it's just so big, that being able to discover those things, like new feelings, new passions within yourself. Those are just some of the most unbelievable moments you can have in life.
Her: And especially, I don't have kids, I don't have family. I'm single, so I can do whatever I want until I settle down
Me: And you can do so without feeling any fear of being judged. Because yours is the only opinion that matters to you. And that is such a good way to live

By this point it's been about 45 minutes of talking, and I want to leave her wanting more, so that when she is in the city, she hits me up.

Me: All right I think I may have to go soon. It's the first warm day of the weekend, so hopefully we can go for a rooftop bar. I haven't gotten to go in so long.
<Convo about my friends>
Me: You said you're coming back next week right?
Her: Next week, yeah
Me: Okay, well why don't we try getting together in person next week then if you have time
Her: I would love to, but I think after I finish training I'm going to fly to Michigan to visit my friend. Next time
Me: No worries, next time you visit, just let me know and we can figure something out
Her: Sure
Me: So good talking to you
Her: Same, good to talk to you again, intentionally!



Riker Analysis:

I was very happy listening to my tone of voice. It felt warm and resonant, as well as expressive. However, I did talk too fast, which hurt the sexuality somewhat. But the verbals I used were far better than previously used, and I found myself feeling levels of arousal while talking to this girl. I felt she vibed with what I said as well, and resonated with the points I made of freedom, passion, and chemistry.

Adjectives and adverbs were something I was happy with. You can look over and see a large variety in words used, and it helped paint a better picture in her head.

Trance words were less used, though I did use some scattered about.

I used weasel words/phrases to change subjects and soften the blow, like when I asked when she would be visiting the area so we could meet.

SMMA Analysis:

Social frame was strong, after all, she had butt dialed me and had wanted to talk to me. It also was a second date I guess, so that's there.

Emotional Stimulation was also strong. The descriptions and what I was saying seemed to really resonate. I didn't allow it to get too low, and brought it back up. She was completely focused on me, and (dare I say it) it felt almost liminal. Or as liminal as it can be over a phone call.

Sexual Arousal: Needs work, though not entirely absent. On the section where I discussed feeling fire in relationships being important, I thought it painted a good picture that upped sexual arousal. I also tried to make my voice tonality warm and rich, and slow speech at points, though I could have slowed my pace even more. I also tried to make my eyes more bed-roomy, and gave some piercing eye contact over the screen.

Other:

I wonder if my attainability was off. She brought up me visiting her, or her visiting me, but I had a very mild response to that. I'm not sure if I should have been more enthused? But I do think my handling was good, as I made sensual plans for the two of us to go and lay at the beach all day if I were to visit.

I wonder if her question about my dating life I answered poorly. Maybe I should have replied more simply. To be honest, it was unexpected and I wasn't prepared to answer it. Would love to hear feedback from others regarding this.

I wonder if I set myself up as a provider though? I think I avoided any discussions of money. Also we live far apart, and I made it clear I had no intentions of moving, so rationally, I don't think she would slot me into a provider role. But the provider role is something I'm always worried about, as I have this weird connect in my head between talking about girls wanting genuine connection being associated with providers. Maybe there's something in my verbals that also communicates this. I do wonder if I'm talking about connection wrong. Maybe there's a way I can discuss it more in a way that is more conducive to fast hookups?



She really wanted me. I could tell she's been feeling the sting of this quarantine and pandemic. And I'm a big fan of this girl too. She's feminine and cute and sweet. We actually are pretty similar, she doesn't live in my area so at best it would be an irregular fb situation (which would be perfect), and we're both adventurous and love to travel.

I'll update this thread with any future updates as well.
 
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Kvothe

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So about 3 weeks ago I was on a flight, and this girl was my flight attendant. I went up to talk to her right after take off, gave her a hug, and told her that if she found some free time, to come and find me so we could catch up. I did this because she was working, so she had to be polite to customers, and I wanted her to not feel forced into a situation where she had to be polite/nice for her job. This would also give her plausible deniability if she didn't want to talk with me. After going up and saying hi, it turns out she had recognized me to-so me going up was definitely the more dominant choice, and I think letting her take time to decide whether or not to come talk added comfort and security.

She does end up pulling me, and initially is going to talk to me at my seat, but this has too much of a customer-employee vibe, so I get up and we go to the back of the plane. We chat, and it's very awkward, as she's flaked on me a couple of times in the past and it's also been six years and she's working so has to deal with other customers.

At the end of the flight I go up to her and ask her if she's single. She isn't, so I tell her that's a bummer, because I would have loved to grab drinks with her in the city. Then I give her a hug and go my separate way
 

Kvothe

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So interesting thing...

She did text me after the flight saying how nice it was to reconnect. I didn't think much of it, but did send her some nice messages back and also a photo of where I was traveling.

Then she keeps texting me. I start lowering my investment because she's not single and I don't want to put my attention on things I don't see happening.

But then earlier this week, she asks me to meet up on Saturday night, because "she wants to see me again". Incredible.

We meet at a bar near my place. She gets there first. She's wearing a soft top and a denim skirt. I still think she's beautiful, though she's three years older than me. We go inside and I grab us a place. She sits a little far from me, so that our legs aren't touching, but I figure I can improve the space a little bit.

I'll be honest the initial conversation still has awkward phases. It's weird trying to get to know someone you've already gone through and gotten to know multiple times already. But eventually we find our rhythm. I'm using touch more sparingly but it does get more overt as we get more comfortable with each other. The skirt has a slit up the side so at some point I'm running my hands along the skin of her leg-which is basically the point when I know what's going to happen.

I'll be honest, the conversation was more straightforward getting to know you. This girl just wanted me, and wanted me a lot. I just needed to lead, avoid setting bad frames, and move fast. She set lots of frames that she is into fast sex, whirlwind things, and moving quickly from thing to thing.

I did do some sex talk, specifically purity gambit, and discretion frames. Didn't really need them, but always nice, and it moved the conversation into a more sexual direction, which also got her to talk about how she is religious but not really. Basically just more frame reinforcing.

Really I just need to keep it exciting and stimulating. I have her flex for me, grab her leg, she grabs mine, I pull her up and dance with her. At some point I go to use the bathroom, then she goes, and soon after I suggest we get out of here. I don't mention where we're going, though I've seeded various things at my apartment.

We hold hands on the walk to mine.

Once we get home, I give her a tour, pour us some wine, and then it's a very straightforward escalation. I'm just fully an animal though. Like I'm manhandling her throughout, and I go straight for her pussy, don't even take off her top. And she's so fucking wet. I just pull her off the couch throw her on my bed and pull on a condom. It's animalistic for the first 20-30 minutes, and I'm so dirty with her it's incredible.

It was amazing sex.



I don't really know how much of this is really transferable to new lays. The conditions around the situation are so happenstance, that this LR feels like a spiritual successor to https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/fate-intervenes.16815/.

The main things I think that are worth taking away were how I didn't hesitate to reopen the girl on the plane. I'd been rejected multiple times by her, and ghosted via text, but I just didn't care about it, and went up and had a conversation that was very awkward. I asked her out, and then I thought that was that. The important thing here is that I took into account that she was in a professional setting, that pushing her comfort zone in a situation where we would be stuck with each other for a long time would be extremely bad, and that I approached her before she came up to talk with me.

This also I guess was technically our fourth date. So I mean there's also that perspective.

I don't know man. Life is weird, random, and wonderful sometimes. This was a lay up with a girl I find incredible gorgeous, with whom I had amazing sex.

I'm just grateful for those moments when opportunities come knocking and you're able to seize the moment and let life hand you a gift.



On another note, it was so weird re-reading my initial FR, because I am so different now. In some ways I still have a lot of basics to master, but in others, my game has become astronomically smoother.




Oh and also I'm changing the FR designation for this whole report.
 

Lobo

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Interesting to note how she rejected you a bunch and ghosted. i think it goes to show that when girls reject us it can sometimes not be about us and more of where the girl is at herself. Maybe back then was just bad timing
 

DarkJedi

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Inspirational man. I so easily get turned off by resistance, autoreject. It's cool to see how you remained warm despite her flakiness and did the right things without expectation.

Btw, you mention she set quite some sexual frames herself in the last date. Could you elaborate?
 
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