Future Trends Of Seduction

[PaulieFlyn10]

Right now, the state of seduction is allover the place. @Skills wrote an excellent post here that accurately explains key findings that shaped seduction in 2024. I believe, the past is a good way to paint what the future COULD like. This is my attempt to do so:


>>> Relationships Become More Popular:

For a while, I noticed a trend. Many guys (probably the majority) in pick up have a long term goal of finding long term relationships. Even for guys living the fuck boy dream, at the back of their mind, forming long term relationships is BIG goal for them. This goes for guys outside the community (I had 6 friends from my social circle get into relationships from 2023 -2024 - And many more guys looking to get in one). I also noticed many red ill guys either going their own way to hustle & grind while having kids OR finding a way to "protect" themselves from female manipulation in relationships. Plus, we have loads of pick up guys transitioning relationships.

A lot of conversations and questions are also centered around relationship problems. Most of which are nuanced. I feel there's HUGE gap/hole to fill regarding relationships. I dont think i know any good course on that. As for online resource, besides girls chase, no other resource talks in depth about relationships for men. And it's such a HUGE market. @Chase and probably Franco the Italian natural are probably the only ones with good relationship material

In summary, most guys want quality long term relationships with quality women they actually like. And this will become more popular



>>> Archetypes/She's my type:

Men love hot women. We love good looking women. But i've come to realize, men have a type: From looks, to personality, to hobbies and even careers. This even goes to men having a type of woman they attract effortlessly. For me, I tend to do very well with cluster b, daddy issue girls and christian conservative women. In this thread, from 2020 you can see guys in the forum sharing the kind of girls they do well with.

All of the above makes a case for archetypes. Being able to effectively spot and seduce your favorite archetype of woman.




>>> Cold Approach NOT as Popular:

Day game & Night Game will decrease in popularity. Various factors are responsible for this: One, a steep learning curve. Most guys today would rather just improve their fundamentals plus looks money status then fuck girls that are super interested. Given the economy, and bad dating markets, cold approach wont be as appealing as it once was.

IMO, between the two day game will be a more preferred option compared to night game



>>> The World Goes Social Circle

Besides dating apps, social circle will rise as a preferred way to meet women. From parties, to cliques, to events etc. Social circles will become a go-to way for guys to meet women. Part of is it due to less pressure and anxiety as compared to cold approach. And another part is due to the increased possibility of finding relationship partners (friends of friends)


What do you guys think? And what would you add?

 

[Skills]

Though i am not into the architype stuff... Everything you said is not future is present... Though you left world goes virtual and social circle... But cold approach will always be there man, is not going anywhere... I am destroying competition at clubs... it causes a reality distortion "how is this possible at my age??" type of confusion... Cause guys are not proficient at cold approach...

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Though i am not into the architype stuff... Everything you said is not future is present... Though you left world goes virtual and social circle... But cold approach will always be there man, is not going anywhere... I am destroying competition at clubs... it causes a reality distortion "how is this possible at my age??" type of confusion... Cause guys are not proficient at cold approach...

Yeah.. most of the things have already started.

But I'm speaking on the general direction of the community: More and more coaches talking about relationships. More and more guys in the community looking and requesting for relationship material. Even more and more problems/post/ and questions referring to relationships.

What we'll see in the future regarding relationships and social circle will be WAY more than what we're seeing now. It will be similar to the alpha male kind of trend


For true pua believers like us, CA would still be a favourite and even easier. But for the majority of guys as a whole (both in and outside the community) CA would be less favourable to Social circle and Online (IG, dating apps). So basically if you're good in CA, you would beat the competition as a result of lack of proficiency among guys which is further as a result of their lack of interest in getting skilled at CA

 

[ChrisVirtue]

For true pua believers like us, CA would still be a favourite and even easier.

yes agreed that CA should be easier if it has less competition.

I think we should be glad that CA is less popular, since in certain cities/areas, it was a bit out of control in the 2018-2019 years.

I've seen before like 30 puas all at the same bar spamming the same girls with the same lines..!

 

[Chase]

yes agreed that CA should be easier if it has less competition.

I think we should be glad that CA is less popular, since in certain cities/areas, it was a bit out of control in the 2018-2019 years.

I've seen before like 30 puas all at the same bar spamming the same girls with the same lines..!

When you stumble into the bar where the Pickup Artist Lair meeting is being held...

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

The TLDR

Guys that are looking to learn PUA are going to keep going to TikTok (or whatever replaces it) and get very bad advice on running Day Game -

Which is almost always low density and the ladies aren't generally interested in socializing right then and there. Which means getting phone #s and social media contact details needlessly drags out a seduction that should happen in a few hours into days and weeks.... (WIA, Resident Day Game Hater)

The Too Long Part

Gen X Men (45+) - using in person seduction will continue to be as "easy" as it's always been. We might have created the digital age, but we're still analog. And unless you're trying to talk to college girls, the women we are talking to are more open to actual in person interactions.

Staying in shape, dressing for your target market, and having some coin is basically what we prepared for, so enjoy it.

Older Millennial Men (36-44) - If you caught the tail end of in person/offline seduction, things will be as "easy" as they've always been. But you're seeing a smidgen of what younger guys see.

Easy? = seduction has never been "easy" per se - but once you get your side of the equation down, and understand any given's female's typical behavior - you can screen or convert - seduction is a straight forward proposition. Can't pull every chick, but we can spark a whole lot of fires.

Gen Z (13-28) - Those guys grew up never knowing a time before the internet, before Iphones, before social media, before tinder, before texting.

The Young Man's Game has always been different from the Veteran's Game - but the "internet/social media" first and "offline" second aspect of the larger culture....

We're all just coping with a new cyberpunk reality.

They might also be coping with something else.

Young people don't have as many friends, don't drive, don't drink, don't do as many drugs, don't have as much sex - etc.

Seduction is very much a contact sport, and being good at it - imo - usually means social skills and LIFE EXPERIENCE...but also some of those "animal" drives that make us do things that are 1) out of our comfort zone, 2) not good for us.

So their "self" imposed rules are messing up their ability to connect with each other.
And sometimes the rules are preferences enabled by Uber, UberEats, IG, Tiktok, Youtube, Samsung and Apple - folks can get these experiences they crave...virtually.

In a sense, Gen Z seems to have it the worst but....

Younger Millenials (29-35) - IMO, you have it the worst.
Because your likely target market - (24-30 year old women)

1) Chronically online - listens to serial killer podcasts, watched the Tinder Swindler with her GFs, MeToo#, TradWife, "Soft Girl Era", consumed "Who did I marry" - her being "one with her social media feed" - means her thoughts and moods are at the whim of the algorithm - and fear/hatred drives clicks!

2) "Hates" offline and has zero social experience in comparison to women her age 10-20 years ago
^^ which all of us are dealing with to some extent

But

3) That age = Long Term Relationship and/or Baby Crazy

It's the worst of all possible outcomes.

At least Gen Z guys are dealing with Annoying Gen Z girls that feel like they have all the time in the world to be young, to be in their "brat era".

A year or 3 post college, when her career is not going where she wants it (or worse, it is) - a guy just can't be fun anymore. (which he of course can, that's the aim of the game)...but she's impossible to break through because she's never had to learn in person social skills or relationship skills outside of TikTok.

Throw in the macro-factors

• Personal Income and Wealth in a freefall, even before AI
  • which affects the night life and social life (less clubs, and more clubs with bottle service)
• Social/Media/Culture Wars
• Political Unrest and Upheaval
• Global Warming, Ocean Acidification, etc...

It's making the "mental hurdles" to hollering at broads higher.

Other Trends and predictions.

Passport Game - (fly to a different country where you're considered a hot commodity - not chex tourism!!!!) - Was in its hey day in the 2008, when it was just RVF/Naughty Nomad etc. We're more than 15 years from that time and the Passport "Bros" have basically ruined the scene online. Offline? Who knows? Country by Country Basis.

Folks in the "travel to meet broads"-sphere, have been talking about the death of "true" passport game for years now. Such and such place is played out - i.e. there's not foreigner/Westerner/Nubian God/Norse God bonus.

And if I just focus on social media since COVID, a lot of guy's "passport game" is really a) Pay for Play Game or b) the girls's "green card" game.

Social Media/Dating Site Game - This is the dominant thing that most people practice - but most of them play straight up. They take pics, make a profile, write a bio and get to swiping.

As individuals, guys can learn how to take better selfies/portraits, how to compose shots, how to edit photos.
That might involve props (dogs and cars and toddlers), costumes, travel,

Then they can learn how to write better profiles, better first messages, and how to text.

They can pay other people to do it.
They can use AI.

Here we have 2 people using their own AIs to talk to each other, evaluate, and then put the 2 real people in touch (straight outta black mirror)

Social Circle Game - More powerful than ever, and less utilized.
Again Neil talked about having a social funnel.
Mystery talked about linking up with people they meet in the night life.
Luke talked about lifestyle design - and having people be your "agents" bringing you what you want

On many levels, this is how society always worked, and other levels, it's never worked like this.

The Urban gentleman of means and social skills did this and still does this - but most of us did not/do not.

I predict a resurgence in this, mostly because humans are social beings

A modern Western economy and culture like the US (and prolly like Canada, AUS, UK, NZ and the anglosphere) is very and deeply anti-social.

A lot of guys just need FRIENDS. Not a GF, and not a massive notch count, cats to play video games IN PERSON with. A mixed group of folks that wants to go to the local pizza place. If you older cats want to get depressed/cherish your youth - look up when kids stopped playing outside...

In a sense, we were socially atomized in the late 90's/early 00's - and that trend of isolation has only gotten worse. The height of isolation had to be the pandemic. I don't doubt that there's even lonelier times ahead for a lot of folks who shouldn't be lonely.

Social Circle Game is something that should take off - but my sense is that a lot of society has been made INTO INTROVERTS*. And if we see any movement along these lines - it will be a "handful" of guys - not a mass movement.

*My sense is that most people prior to the internet were functionally introverts, but they thought of themselves as extroverts - and "a man is what he thinketh" to some extent.

The Red Pill Grift - It's not over, but it's on its last legs.

The Red Pill - which basically states that women are cooperative....if it benefits their ever changing emotions - is just not going to change.

But the podcasts and other media surrounding how women often* behave and the doom and gloom message - is not nearly as popular as it was, only a few years ago. Tate, Fresh and Fit, Rollo, Kevin Samuels (RIP)...those channels/personalities don't seem to be growing. (*not all women, and not all the time)

New Seduction Tech Predictions

AI Pics and AI Chatbots

I've already seen a Chinese guy on reddit take his on pics, run it through a generational AI and pump out really great pics of him in all types of great backgrounds. It's him, but face and body optimized (within reason), and exotic locales, people, etc optimized for the dating service.

With the chat bots - guys have been running these for years, but now they're more sophisticated and can be trained on your individual body of work. (I wonder if there's a WIA chat bot out there right now...hmm)

Old School Offline Seduction - ? As much as I'd love to see it come back (as a popular thing), the principles are already there and were refined damn near 20 years ago. And the dense gatherings of women on a regular basis - i.e. clubbing - it continues to die.

Rave Game (aka big event game) only rewards peacocks. They're also infrequent...

We'll see

WIA

 

[Bill]

I think long term societies are splitting into a secular monoculture and more religious traditionalist subgroups. A Seduction community won’t work in the secular monoculture because VR porn and sexbots will remove most male drive for it, and the atomization of society + reduced attention spans will make complex social interaction uncomfortable for people. In the traditionalist subgroups it won’t work because they will only sustain by having high birth rates from maintaining a cultural ecosystem that values chastity and monogamy.

 

[Skills]

I think long term societies are splitting into a secular monoculture and more religious traditionalist subgroups. A Seduction community won’t work in the secular monoculture because VR porn and sexbots will remove most male drive for it, and the atomization of society + reduced attention spans will make complex social interaction uncomfortable for people. In the traditionalist subgroups it won’t work because they will only sustain by having high birth rates from maintaining a cultural ecosystem that values chastity and monogamy.

can you translate this to like basic English

 

[POB]

Plus, we have loads of pick up guys transitioning relationships.

Because they are getting old.

I feel there's HUGE gap/hole to fill regarding relationships. I dont think i know any good course on that. As for online resource, besides girls chase, no other resource talks in depth about relationships for men. And it's such a HUGE market. @Chase and probably Franco the Italian natural are probably the only ones with good relationship material

BD had 2 good books about it, one for open-relationships and another for open-marriages.
They pretty much cover everything if you don't want to be monogamous.

IMO, between the two day game will be a more preferred option compared to night game

Agree.

Besides dating apps, social circle will rise as a preferred way to meet women. From parties, to cliques, to events etc. Social circles will become a go-to way for guys to meet women. Part of is it due to less pressure and anxiety as compared to cold approach. And another part is due to the increased possibility of finding relationship partners (friends of friends)

Which is how I grew up in the 80s/early 90s lol.
Really interesting how it's coming full circle from the apps.

 

[Adventurer]

Passport Game - (fly to a different country where you're considered a hot commodity - not chex tourism!!!!) - Was in its hey day in the 2008, when it was just RVF/Naughty Nomad etc. We're more than 15 years from that time and the Passport "Bros" have basically ruined the scene online. Offline? Who knows? Country by Country Basis

I agree with most of your observations but Passport game is still very good, especially online. I just travelled for a year and in most countries, you get a huge exotic boost. It's not completely free, you still need a good process and quality pictures but if you get laid once a year at home it will be once a week in Thailand or Africa. It's probably still the best way to get a lot of positive experiences as a beginner/intermediate