Going out and gaming sober?

[Tie5o11]

Hey guys, been reading GirlsChase for sometime, first time poster here.

Has anyone else here had experience going out sober for extended periods of time? In 2019, I partied a lot, and while I still did well at work and what not, I realize the level of drinking is not sustainable. I am pretty discipline in most areas of my life, but alcohol is one where I seem to lose the discipline after a couple drinks.

I am early 30's, been drinking for a while, and love going out with my boys, going after the ladies, getting laid, etc. I am not an alcoholic in the sense that I need alcohol everyday, but more of a binge drinker. I can easily throw down 8-10 drinks a night consistently, while occasionally throwing down more on complete benders. I know a lot of people are going to say 'just go out and have a few drinks', but I've tried for years, and way more often once I start drinking I just end up chain drinking.

I made a pro's and cons list of drinking alcohol:

Pros:
Makes it easier to loosen into the night
The annoying little things about going out don't bother you (people bumping into you, loud annoying drunks, as examples)
It's simply fun to drink and party with the boys

Cons:
I often overdrink and hurt my game
I am less witty and less interesting when drunk
I go after and settle for worse looking girls
Limits quality of life around times of drinking (hungover weekends)
Hurting my job (I work in Sales, and drinking has effected my energy I can apply to my job on days after drinking)
Leads to bad discipline when drunk/hungover - fapping (I tend to only do it hungover), late night food, cigarettes, etc
Spending way too much money going out
Generally bad for health
Day after drinking, I don't have the bandwidth to do things I should be doing, such as cleaning place, meditating, reading, cooking healthy meals, etc
I am much sharper and game is better late night when sober

After making the list it became obvious to me, that I needed to do a sober January, to re-evaluate alcohol, and then make a decision after that. If nothing else, I think if I give my body a break, if I do decide to start drinking again, I might be able to phase in alcohol slowly so I have much more control over it.

I've been out sober before for individual nights, but never an extended time. What I remember, is that the beginning of the night I get annoyed by the drunk people and I can be a little stiff, but by the end of the night I tend to forget I am not drinking and actually feel quite loose.

I think its easy to get over being stiff early in the night by forcing yourself to take action, and joke around with the guys. Even doing some outside approaches before hitting the bars may loosen me up. In terms of my other 2 'pros' for drinking, Ill just have to suck it up and have a little less fun and deal with the bumping and drunk people- which is miles better than all the cons that come with drinking for me.

Is anyone else in this community sober? Has anyone else gone sober for an extended time? What are your experiences and pros/cons of going sober? Is it realistic to go out and enjoy yourself with your boys and do well with the girls, dead sober? Any advice / feedback is much appreciated.

 

[Chrance]

Yes, it is very reasonable. Alcohol is a sneaky crutch. It tires you out too.

But if you go out with your boys they may pressure you, which is annoying but bearable.

My experience is that alcohol dulls your intelligence, hence why you may experience more relaxed and fun. But this is like cutting off your arm because it’s weighing you down in a hike. The benefits of alcohol for confidence are greatly overrated. You get more confidence by being well rested, energized and in good physical shape before sarging. Alcohol on Friday guarantees struggling on Saturday.

Plus I know several alcoholics, real ones with alcohol tits, very sad to be around. You don’t want that no matter how much pussy you get

Lastly, I think alcohol actually makes you appear like an idiot; this may not be the case from the view of friends, but from the perspective of a stranger who is not as drunk as you, it is a pretty poor sight.

It is better to be nervous and 100% aware of what’s coming out of your mouth and hers (which I believe is a byproduct of your senses being in full throttle, as they should be) than be confident while blabbering and slurring, getting uncomfortably close to their face, etc; with the former, experience gradually chips away the nervousness, so it’s not like it is there forever

 

[Grand Pooba]

I do night game sober (and day game for that matter, lol...) - the main reason is that alcohol completely kills my vibe. If I have more than one drink I learned I turn into a completely different person, but in a bad way for seduction. Before that drink, I have a sexy James Bond vibe. After two drinks, I become too happy, social, and soft to be as attractive - and it slows my ability to pick up on a girls signs.

Most people drink to increase their confidence and loosen them up, but sometimes it can also hurt you. I definitely prefer sober game.

As far as drinks go, I usually have a diet coke in hand at the bar. It's cheap and looks like I'm drinking like everyone else. I ask the bartender to make it look like a rum and coke.

 

[Glow]

i drink for mood. not for getting drunk

To hit the bar and have my favorite drink makes me feel good and makes me acclimatise to a venue. This removes the initial natural fear and AA when done with feel like i do it. Cause im doing what i like. Enjoying my favorite drink.

I deliberately hold low attention span sometimes and just do this to cater for my self. Immersing myself in my own pleasure. Closing out the environment.

Helps my presence be much more attractive.

I mostly just have one or two myself. Never above tipsy.

 

[Mr.Rob]

See my replies to this post: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/sober-night-game-tips-and-tidbits.19825/#post-97772

 

[Mr.Rob]

Ive learned and gotten all my results exclusively through sober gaming. Has many powerful upsides if you can make the jump.

 

[Tie5o11]

I appreciate the comments, this is very helpful to me. I think the hardest part of making the jump is that I feel as if I would be the only one sober. Pretty much all my friends drinks, and especially the ones I wing with. I also live in Manhattan where people like to work hard and booze hard.

I agree with the comments it dulls your intelligence, and can make you to happy go lucky which isnt the sexiest vibe. It also hurts your testosterone. I work out hard and eat very clean, and the difference in testosterone within 48 hours or so of drinking, versus going 4+ days without, is noticeable.

Going to make this plunge for January (and maybe longer). Ill report back my feedback.

 

[Grand Pooba]

I think the hardest part of making the jump is that I feel as if I would be the only one sober.

You have to find out if drinking works for your game or not. For me, I've learned it doesn't. For other guys, some kill it when they drink. We have a friend named "Blackout Romeo" because for whatever reason whenever he blacks out drunk, he goes home with a girl - and otherwise he rarely picks up women. It's the weirdest thing.

I also live in Manhattan where people like to work hard and booze hard.

Yes correct, Manhattan is full of drinkers, and the culture heavily tilts to work hard party hard, meaning lots of drinking.

However, don't let other people's behaviors influence yours either. Most guys drink because they're afraid to talk to women sober, and they feel it loosens them up. Liquid confidence, as they say.

It's also interesting to see what happens to a lot of guys when they drink - most times in bars in Manhattan you'll see the drunk guys flirting with, dancing with, and making out with women HARD - but rarely do those guys actually go home with those same women. The drinking makes them more aggressive, but far less calibrated. Most times I've seen this, the girls get ASD and they'll go along with the make outs, but they don't accept the invite home.

Don't be fooled by how it appears on the surface - girls like healthy guys that give good dick, and most times alcohol interferes with this. Girls also know that. If you were to ask a girl to choose between fucking the same guy him being drunk or him being sober.... well, what do you think she actually wants?

Girls drinking on the other hand, different story.... haha...

 

[Tie5o11]

One quest

See my replies to this post: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/sober-night-game-tips-and-tidbits.19825/#post-97772

Thanks for this- the responses to people who ask why you are sober are helpful. Last time I went out sober a few months back I just drank soda waters w lime and told the one girl who asked it was a vodka soda, I didn't feel like explaining why I was sober. But there is a lot to work with in your post.

 

[Tie5o11]

You have to find out if drinking works for your game or not. For me, I've learned it doesn't. For other guys, some kill it when they drink. We have a friend named "Blackout Romeo" because for whatever reason whenever he blacks out drunk, he goes home with a girl - and otherwise he rarely picks up women. It's the weirdest thing.

Ha, I have a buddy like this as well. He's already one of the most naturally alpha guys Iv'e ever met, and he goes out and rips 15+ drinks and somehow he becomes even more alpha. He ends up with something most nights out. But he is that exception that doesn't make the rule.

I've gone on many dates sober (I like outdoor dates in the Summer), and dont really have any AA by simple virtue of being in my 30s and having done thousands of approaches. My favorite types of venues, lounges and non-clubby bars tend to work well for more sober game.

Yes correct, Manhattan is full of drinkers, and the culture heavily tilts to work hard party hard, meaning lots of drinking.

However, don't let other people's behaviors influence yours either. Most guys drink because they're afraid to talk to women sober, and they feel it loosens them up. Liquid confidence, as they say.

It's also interesting to see what happens to a lot of guys when they drink - most times in bars in Manhattan you'll see the drunk guys flirting with, dancing with, and making out with women HARD - but rarely do those guys actually go home with those same women. The drinking makes them more aggressive, but far less calibrated. Most times I've seen this, the girls get ASD and they'll go along with the make outs, but they don't accept the invite home.

Don't be fooled by how it appears on the surface - girls like healthy guys that give good dick, and most times alcohol interferes with this. Girls also know that. If you were to ask a girl to choose between fucking the same guy him being drunk or him being sober.... well, what do you think she actually wants?

Girls drinking on the other hand, different story.... haha...

Fair points. I do pretty well at game, but without question Ive been that guy making out and not taking the girl home. Sometimes after too many drinks I simply forget to try to pull, or miss the window. When Im sober (usually on dates) with girls, that rarely happens.

 

[Skills]

Hey guys, been reading GirlsChase for sometime, first time poster here.

Has anyone else here had experience going out sober for extended periods of time? In 2019, I partied a lot, and while I still did well at work and what not, I realize the level of drinking is not sustainable. I am pretty discipline in most areas of my life, but alcohol is one where I seem to lose the discipline after a couple drinks.

I am early 30's, been drinking for a while, and love going out with my boys, going after the ladies, getting laid, etc. I am not an alcoholic in the sense that I need alcohol everyday, but more of a binge drinker. I can easily throw down 8-10 drinks a night consistently, while occasionally throwing down more on complete benders. I know a lot of people are going to say 'just go out and have a few drinks', but I've tried for years, and way more often once I start drinking I just end up chain drinking.

I made a pro's and cons list of drinking alcohol:

Pros:
Makes it easier to loosen into the night
The annoying little things about going out don't bother you (people bumping into you, loud annoying drunks, as examples)
It's simply fun to drink and party with the boys

Cons:
I often overdrink and hurt my game
I am less witty and less interesting when drunk
I go after and settle for worse looking girls
Limits quality of life around times of drinking (hungover weekends)
Hurting my job (I work in Sales, and drinking has effected my energy I can apply to my job on days after drinking)
Leads to bad discipline when drunk/hungover - fapping (I tend to only do it hungover), late night food, cigarettes, etc
Spending way too much money going out
Generally bad for health
Day after drinking, I don't have the bandwidth to do things I should be doing, such as cleaning place, meditating, reading, cooking healthy meals, etc
I am much sharper and game is better late night when sober

After making the list it became obvious to me, that I needed to do a sober January, to re-evaluate alcohol, and then make a decision after that. If nothing else, I think if I give my body a break, if I do decide to start drinking again, I might be able to phase in alcohol slowly so I have much more control over it.

I've been out sober before for individual nights, but never an extended time. What I remember, is that the beginning of the night I get annoyed by the drunk people and I can be a little stiff, but by the end of the night I tend to forget I am not drinking and actually feel quite loose.

I think its easy to get over being stiff early in the night by forcing yourself to take action, and joke around with the guys. Even doing some outside approaches before hitting the bars may loosen me up. In terms of my other 2 'pros' for drinking, Ill just have to suck it up and have a little less fun and deal with the bumping and drunk people- which is miles better than all the cons that come with drinking for me.

Is anyone else in this community sober? Has anyone else gone sober for an extended time? What are your experiences and pros/cons of going sober? Is it realistic to go out and enjoy yourself with your boys and do well with the girls, dead sober? Any advice / feedback is much appreciated.

i have gamed all my life sober....

The main pros of no drinking is very simple:

-less money to spend

- following the less money to spend translates into more nights out

-following more night out = more references experience

-following more references experience due to more night outs and since you are sober developing true confidence = more game

- more game + more night out = more lays and more confidence (true confidence)

cons the opposite of the pros...

the only pro i see in drinking is gives you proximity at the bar, but you can do the same ordering a glass of water giving the bar tender a dollar (in usa glass of water is a dollar with ice) and hiding the fact of water with a natpkin around it...

so ^ by doing this drinking pro is nothing at all that i can think of....

 

[naturalmikey]

i went out sober for close to a year, basically because rsd said to. i learned a lot because i was very clear. then i started drinking and wow. my reaction time lowered like crazy. everything i learned went on autopilot. game became a lot easier.

then i got into a relationship that lasted a year. we had a pretty rough breakup and i became depressed and was drinking a lot. so a couple months ago i completely quit drinking and dedicated myself to the gym. i’m sure i’ll start drinking again but for now i’m trying to focus on just being okay being me.

the main difference i’ve found is that sober you have to loosen up. just going out an hour before close and expecting to be on is foolish when sober. so is waiting until the end of the night to start approaching. for me going out sober means starting early and spending time in sets that will likely go nowhere to warm up. once warmed up though i’m more on top of things.

my biggest problem is i don’t enjoy going out as much sober. spending time in meaningless sets just to warm up for the end of the night is tiring, maybe because of my age. this is why i’ve started using tinder again. sober gaming is a grind. going out once a week sober is about all i can handle.