Great Seduction Brings out the Best in Women

[James Cruse]

Great Seduction Brings out the Best in Women

This should go without saying but I think alot of men who are learning and implementing seduction lose sight of what they’re actual goal is with seducing women.

We’re not just here to have sex with women and potentially HAVE a relationship. That’s all well and good, but I view this as essentially a man that’s settled into a life of consolation for those who haven’t truly succeeded in seduction with women.

The goal of seduction is: to get the BEST of that woman.

The seduction inspiring her to elevate herself far above anything she’s every done in her life while being seduced or as a consequence of your seduction with:

- the BEST sex she’s ever given to any man (possibly never to be better with what she gives any other man)

- The most passion she’s ever GIVEN to a man or most passionate she’s been in a man’s presence

- The most emotional she’s ever felt with a man (or in any man’s presence)

- The nicest, sweetest, funniest & most charming she’s ever behaved

- The boldest, riskiest, sexiest & most daring version of herself she’s ever been with as many of her own rules broken as possible

- It brings out the highest compliance & submission she’s ever given a man, and possibly ever

- the most she’s ever tried to soak up the presence of ANY man she’s ever been with > e.g. not wanting to miss anything you do, not wanting you to sleep so she can continue to have the pleasure of being with you, just squeezing the juice out of every moment she has with you

- the most intense longing she’s ever had the pleasure of feeling when you’re not with her


All of these things are why you want to learn and implement great seduction - it’s not simply for women to have sex with you, but to have her BEST, most treasured experience with you and where she’s never behaved so charmingly, so sweetly, so sexually and so boldly with ANYONE ever in her life up until that point.

I think we all need to remember that that’s out REAL goal in seduction, not just simply sleeping with women and having average relationships with women.


These techniques and methods we learn in seduction aren’t ONLY to just GET the girl - but so much more.

This is why I think many men become disillusioned by women and by seduction itself.

They’re not getting the BEST of women or they’re not getting many women.


As a man, having an abundance of women giving you THEIR BEST EVER IN THEIR LIVES to you is a very different and much better life than simply being able to sleep with and have a relationship with w few women. Or even having simply an abundance of sex in your life.

Once you have slept with a number of women - you realise you want the best of women, not just sleeping with them.

I want to capture her at her peak behaviour, peak sexual arousal, peak passion - and not being able to repeat that or potentially repeat that with anyone else.

I think this is the reason alot ambitious men start learning seduction but unfortunately often don’t get close to that goal, either because they don’t learn & practice seduction enough or they date a few women, find a girlfriend and become complacent and think what they’re doing is good enough.

 

[Will_V]

Great Seduction Brings out the Best in Women

This should go without saying but I think alot of men who are learning and implementing seduction lose sight of what they’re actual goal is with seducing women.

We’re not just here to have sex with women and potentially HAVE a relationship. That’s all well and good, but I view this as essentially a man that’s settled into a life of consolation for those who haven’t truly succeeded in seduction with women.

The goal of seduction is: to get the BEST of that woman.

The seduction inspiring her to elevate herself far above anything she’s every done in her life while being seduced or as a consequence of your seduction with:

- the BEST sex she’s ever given to any man (possibly never to be better with what she gives any other man)

- The most passion she’s ever GIVEN to a man or most passionate she’s been in a man’s presence

- The most emotional she’s ever felt with a man (or in any man’s presence)

- The nicest, sweetest, funniest & most charming she’s ever behaved

- The boldest, riskiest, sexiest & most daring version of herself she’s ever been with as many of her own rules broken as possible

- It brings out the highest compliance & submission she’s ever given a man, and possibly ever

- the most she’s ever tried to soak up the presence of ANY man she’s ever been with > e.g. not wanting to miss anything you do, not wanting you to sleep so she can continue to have the pleasure of being with you, just squeezing the juice out of every moment she has with you

- the most intense longing she’s ever had the pleasure of feeling when you’re not with her


All of these things are why you want to learn and implement great seduction - it’s not simply for women to have sex with you, but to have her BEST, most treasured experience with you and where she’s never behaved so charmingly, so sweetly, so sexually and so boldly with ANYONE ever in her life up until that point.

I think we all need to remember that that’s out REAL goal in seduction, not just simply sleeping with women and having average relationships with women.


These techniques and methods we learn in seduction aren’t ONLY to just GET the girl - but so much more.

This is why I think many men become disillusioned by women and by seduction itself.

They’re not getting the BEST of women or they’re not getting many women.


As a man, having an abundance of women giving you THEIR BEST EVER IN THEIR LIVES to you is a very different and much better life than simply being able to sleep with and have a relationship with w few women. Or even having simply an abundance of sex in your life.

Once you have slept with a number of women - you realise you want the best of women, not just sleeping with them.

I want to capture her at her peak behaviour, peak sexual arousal, peak passion - and not being able to repeat that or potentially repeat that with anyone else.

I think this is the reason alot ambitious men start learning seduction but unfortunately often don’t get close to that goal, either because they don’t learn & practice seduction enough or they date a few women, find a girlfriend and become complacent and think what they’re doing is good enough.

Good post.

I don't really even see the point of sex if it isn't something special for both of us. If I'm just going through the motions I start thinking about all the risks, what she could give me, what if I knocked her up etc, lol.

But when she's looking at me a certain way like she never realized life could be like this, I forget about all of that.

No point to anything really in life if you aren't going to try and do something extraordinary.

 

[James Cruse]

I don't really even see the point of sex if it isn't something special for both of us. If I'm just going through the motions I start thinking about all the risks, what she could give me, what if I knocked her up etc, lol.

I mean I want to aim for her to be Her greatest of all time in every way when I inspire her with my seduction to be that.

Women having sex with you is, in itself special to her (mostly) - but I want to inspire her to give her BEST sex ever and best, sweetest personality than she’s EVER been or ever could hope to be again.

I want her to reach for the stars to bring her A-Game because my seduction of her has her understanding I’m a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for her.

 

[KJ Francis]

Totally agree. More memorable and meaningful than any positive comments about sex I've gotten was "here I was just minding my own business and you breathed life back into me". Unfortunately it ended with "I will not show my soft side to another man for many years".

 

[WierdDough]

What a post!

I´ve been passively reading on the forum for the past few weeks, browsing for something to answer this very question. It´s been on the tip of my tongue, but couldn´t quite formulate it for myself. This is how being a great seducer benefits you in more ways then just sex. You get the most, or as you put it, the best out of women, and all the special treatment and benefits that it entails.

So in essense, I agree wholeheartedly. The goal of seduction is getting the best of women, and for her to have that too.

Nice!

 

[Chase]

I’ve noticed from talking with a variety of different seducers over the years that there are different intrinsic motivations for seduction.

This one is probably what we’d dub “emotional impact.” Or perhaps “emotional conquest.” The seducer aims to seduce the woman’s mind so deeply and thoroughly that he elicits a powerful, ideally unmatched response from her and leaves an indelible mental mark no other man is able to match.

There are other motivations, and this one isn’t going to resonate at the same level with every type of seducer.

But it’s a fun one, it is a very COMPETITIVE one (it aims to one-up all her other male suitors and lovers; to elicit and be THE BEST), and it’s one that’s very appealing for a wide spectrum of guys.

-C

 

[Will_V]

I’ve noticed from talking with a variety of different seducers over the years that there are different intrinsic motivations for seduction.

This one is probably what we’d dub “emotional impact.” Or perhaps “emotional conquest.” The seducer aims to seduce the woman’s mind so deeply and thoroughly that he elicits a powerful, ideally unmatched response from her and leaves an indelible mental mark no other man is able to match.

There are other motivations, and this one isn’t going to resonate at the same level with every type of seducer.

But it’s a fun one, it is a very COMPETITIVE one (it aims to one-up all her other male suitors and lovers; to elicit and be THE BEST), and it’s one that’s very appealing for a wide spectrum of guys.

-C

Curious to hear what some of the others are you've heard about?

I enjoy having a strong emotional impact, but it's not so much I care about that fact, but that when she really lets go, it brings out a sort of harmonious feminine beauty in her that to me is one of the great wonders of this earth. To see it come out in response to my presence in her is the reason I do it.

When it comes to women and sex, I'm not competitive at all, in the sense of wanting to one-up other dudes in general. I don't have any idea how valuable this experience I'm talking about is to anyone else, nor do I really care. All I know is that it's extraordinarily satisfying to me.

 

[Chase]

@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

Which driver is driving a man can change over time. Men can also have multiple drivers, but typically one is uppermost. When all the drivers fall away and the guy no longer has any of them motivating him, that is when he stops practicing pickup.

Chase

 

[Will_V]

@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

Which driver is driving a man can change over time. Men can also have multiple drivers, but typically one is uppermost. When all the drivers fall away and the guy no longer has any of them motivating him, that is when he stops practicing pickup.

Chase

Yeah, I can various types of personalities going for each of those things.

What about seduction as an art form - that is, to get the same pleasure/satisfaction/meaning you would from painting, writing, or various other creative pursuits?

The only guy I can think of who seems to be in this vein is Zan Perrion, and I say so because he writes about women as if they are a muse.

 

[Chase]

What about seduction as an art form - that is, to get the same pleasure/satisfaction/meaning you would from painting, writing, or various other creative pursuits?

The only guy I can think of who seems to be in this vein is Zan Perrion, and I say so because he writes about women as if they are a muse.

That's an interesting one!

I could see Zan treating seduction as art.

You'd have to talk to him about it to know if that's really his driver, or if he just tends to frame things in artistic ways (but is being driven by a different motivation).

 

[Skills]

@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

Which driver is driving a man can change over time. Men can also have multiple drivers, but typically one is uppermost. When all the drivers fall away and the guy no longer has any of them motivating him, that is when he stops practicing pickup.

Chase

^ this is soooo great, what is funny you have soooooo many stupid fights among seducers, cause they fail to see the motivation of one is not the same as another...

 

[empath]

@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

Which driver is driving a man can change over time. Men can also have multiple drivers, but typically one is uppermost. When all the drivers fall away and the guy no longer has any of them motivating him, that is when he stops practicing pickup.

Chase

Mine are pleasure, validation and recognition.

I don't think they are most useful/productive for successful pick up though.

Any idea how to use these drivers to successfully and efficiently lay girls.

Not productive because if it is not feeling fun you will end up giving too soon, and if people around you don't think its nice to pick girls soon you will rationalize yourself out of it.

Sporting is something I think will come when you are over with skill building phase and at an advance level already.

 

[Chase]

^ this is soooo great, what is funny you have soooooo many stupid fights among seducers, cause they fail to see the motivation of one is not the same as another...

Yep.

And they all argue that "my motivation is better than yours" lol.

(for a few of these, like approval-seeking, that is definitely true... or revenge, ick... you want to get out of that ASAP... but many of these are just a guy's default wiring)

Mine are pleasure, validation and recognition.

I don't think they are most useful/productive for successful pick up though.

Any idea how to use these drivers to successfully and efficiently lay girls.

Not productive because if it is not feeling fun you will end up giving too soon, and if people around you don't think its nice to pick girls soon you will rationalize yourself out of it.

Sporting is something I think will come when you are over with skill building phase and at an advance level already.

So long as you have the motivation, you're good.

Validation & recognition should subside once you achieve what you need to with them. Once you're validated enough by the right chicks and you get enough recognition from people. Then you'll just start feeling like "Eh, I don't need that anymore."

But while those are drivers, might as well milk them.

Find sexy girls, invite them to things so you can parade them around in front of people and wow them with how hot your girls are, make yourself an amazing lover who knows how to get girls addicted to him so you can enjoy girls gushing all over themselves about how amazing you are, etc.

Chase

 

[James Cruse]

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@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

Which driver is driving a man can change over time. Men can also have multiple drivers, but typically one is uppermost. When all the drivers fall away and the guy no longer has any of them motivating him, that is when he stops practicing pickup.

Chase

I believe the post I made does contribute, in the short or long term, to several of those goals (consciously or unconsciously) for men.

But it certainly is not applicable to all of those motivations for men in seduction.

I do believe that not aiming to get the best out of women, especially when you develop actual seduction skills - seems like a man is settling.

That settling seems sad and a great missed opportunity with life in general.

If you’re going to spend alot of time learning and practicing seduction (and getting rejected along the way) - reaching for the stars (for her best) makes sense, it’s something that not many men EVER will be able to achieve with many women, in the history of the world, without being skilled in seduction.

 

[Chase]

I do believe that not aiming to get the best out of women, especially when you develop actual seduction skills - seems like a man is settling.

That settling seems sad and a great missed opportunity with life in general.

Perhaps. But keep in mind: humans have vastly different values, and these values often conflict, especially when people attempt to state that their values are superior to others' values.

Cases in point:

• "The greatest joy and achievement in life is to have children and not having children is the greatest lack and missed opportunity in life" vs. "The greatest freedom and liberty in life is to live for oneself without needing to put oneself in the backseat to raise a family and never being able to live one's life to the fullest due to family obligations is the greatest tragedy in life"
  
  
• "Life is about maximizing one's happiness through comfort, pleasure, and enjoyment; work should only ever be in service to leading a happy life" vs. "Life is about achieving monumental things, and not being distracted by fleeting pleasures and happinesses; true happiness comes from creating a lasting legacy and building things that matter"
  
  
• "The most important thing in the world is to care for other people and avoid harming other people, because in the end really what matters is that we are all connected in one great human family" vs. "The most important thing is to protect one's group and traditions, especially from those seeking to destroy that which generations of humans have built, to replace with their own idealistic, misguided ideas that will surely lead mankind to doom"

People believe passionately in all these things, they all KNOW that they are right and that those who disagree with them are wrong, and in fact a lot of this is actually down to genetic wiring in the brain (not all of it, but something like 40-80% of values is genetically determined).

This is why the ol' "my values are the best and everyone else's values are inferior" stuff launches such heated debates -- because everyone you're arguing with knows that he is right and that you are wrong every bit as much as you know that you are right and the other guy is wrong, and no amount of arguing will tend to change anybody's mind.

Chase

 

[James Cruse]

@Will_V,

Based on my conversations the various primary motivations appear to be:

• Emotional conquest: what @James Cruse talks about in the OP.
• Sexual conquest: this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.
• Pleasure: the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.
• Validation: the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by (sexually) approving women.
• Recognition: the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.
• Revenge: the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.
• Connection: the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.
• Skill-building: the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.
• Gaming/sporting: the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.
• Mission-driven: the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife (or some other mission) and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.

I’m seeing that my original post on this has clearly been misinterpreted, and almost taking as a targeted accusation for the motivations (or lack thereof) of people practicing sediction.

Perhaps I didn’t completely imply or link the implications of “bring out the best in women through seduction” and what that means and looks like for the seducer himself, and his life with women.

So, here’s how bringing out the best in women will affect the various motivations you have in seduction to help achieve those motivations in the best way possible - using Chase’s listed motivations above to do so:

Emotional conquest: (bringing out the best she’s ever had or given to any man) means she’s felt the most emotions, the most variety of emotions with you, more than any other man has ever before. This means she’s more likely to want to continue to be in a relationship with you, give you her best behaviour she’s ever given, best sex she’s ever given, and when you break up - she may still be an option later down the track due to not being able to be as emotionally dominated or influenced by another man since you.

Sexual conquest: (this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.) Seducing that woman and being her absolute best with you means = you’re more likely to get MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF SEXUAL CONQUESTS.
Women tend to sleep with men that make her feel more and higher emotions than any other man (or woman) she’s ever met, especially if he leads her to feel this faster and more intense than any other man ever.

Pleasure: (the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.)
A woman giving you her best ever = She’s giving her her BEST SEX EVER that she’s ever given or likely to give to anyone else. The maximum or best sex she can ever give is the BEST you will ever get from a woman. She can’t give you more than this, especially of she has never given anyone else close to this (her best).

Validation: (the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by sexually approving women.) The MOST sexual approval you can get from any woman you seduce is getting her best - there’s literally no more validation that can be gotten from a woman giving you the best she ever had. And as per the volume of women to validate a man with above - you can get validated by a high volume/amount of women if you know how to best seduce women for each one to give you her best ever.

Recognition: (the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.) Again, as per volume above. Recognition as being the best guy - if you’re getting the BEST of a woman, and can be recognised in comparison to other men she’s been with compared to you and the treatment and behaviour of other women around to their men - that recognition by others is MOST strong when a woman is giving you her absolute best and others know about it.

Revenge: (the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.) While I think this is an odious & destructive motivation for seduction of women - if you’re looking for revenge and to TAKE from women - how much more can or would you have the ability to take if you seduce a woman into giving you her best behaviour, best sex, best everything? There’s no more she could give you.

Connection: (the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.)
If a woman is giving you her best = She feels most spiritually connected to you more than anyone else. If she’s feeling that - it’s much more likely you’ll feel the same way towards you than if you were not seducing the best out of her.

Skill-building: (the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.) If you can successfully seduce a woman, every woman you seduce, into giving you her absolute best - or you’re at least aiming for that, how much more skill can you theoritically build? That’s the theoretical highest limit for seduction you could reach.

Gaming/sporting: (the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.) Seducing a woman into getting the best she’s ever given a man IS A HUNT. It’s difficult and the highest level of seduction you could possibly acheive or master. Like taking all your lifts and sets to complete failure - you’re leaving nothing in the tank.

Mission-driven: (the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife [or some other mission] and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.) The only way we should be aiming to meet our future wives and mothers to our children is aiming to get the best out of her when we seduce her - this results in a much better relationship, more likely to have more relationship longevity, higher quality relationship, lower likelihood of divorce ans much lower chance she’s been alpha widowed by her ex (not possible when we’re the best she’s given to, and given us her best and most).
Less likely to return to her ex, less likely to be seeking greener pastures (as the reason many women break up or divorce), less likely to be seeking or accept a “bigger better deal” - all when we’ve seduced her into giving us her best.


Conclusion:

None of these goals listed above for seducers are in any way mutually exclusive from the goal of getting the best out of a woman in every seduction, using your seduction skills to get the best.

Getting the best out of women in a seduction and using seduction = Helps you ACHIEVE all your other seduction/dating/sexual/relationship motivations, because it’s the primary driver for helping you to acheive those motivations from her side.

If you’re not getting her best or at least aiming to get her best - then you’re settling for less than that, her average, her top 10 best or just whatever she’s willing to give us, as long as it includes sex.

And I don’t think that’s conducive to bettering her life, bettering and enhancing our dating life as men and our long term futures with any of these women with seduction.

Now I see seduction as a tool not just for merely sleeping with women - but for going MUCH FURTHER, aiming much higher and improving my life in a much more significant way, with women.