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Have been dating a girl for 3 months, but no sexual spark

razir110

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Hi all, so to keep all of this VERY short:

I was living in Asia, met a girl at the start of January, she is Vietnamese. Had a nice first date, invited her home, she didn't want to go, had the second date and tbh I felt that the sexual spark wasn't really there. Still she was interesting.. Had a 3rd date scheduled and I wanted to cancel, but she insisted that since we had it scheduled I should stick to it and I was like "wow this is interesting" so we went on the date and here comes the curveball:

I suffered from pretty terrible childhood neglect from my parents and it affected my life in all sort of ways, especially relationships. I am in my 30's and I still never had a proper relationship. I worked a lot on this for myself, therapy, etc, I improved a lot internally and now I feel ready to be with someone but... Ofc I am not comfortable sharing all this with women.. but I kinda trusted this gal and though " F it, I'll share it all with her"

The common wisdom is that you shouldn't be so vulnerable with women, you will be perceived as weak bla bla. But her reaction was quite surprising, she said she really liked how I dealt with all the shit that happened to me and it was almost the first time in my life I felt understood by someone who can be a potential romantic partner.

So to keep this post to less than 350 pages, we started seeing each, but I just didn't feel any sexual attraction by her. I thought that this was a pretty clear sign we are just great friends and not lovers, but the thing is that, this had happened to me many times before. I met girls that were perfect matches on a personal level (hot as well), but I just couldn't feel any sexuality between us. On the contrary, if I don't see the girl as a potential soul match, I am sexually attracted.

It does bother me a lot that since I am with her, I find other women sexually attractive... But as I said this happened before, personal attraction = no sex drive; no personal attraction = sex drive.

Anyhow, we spent 3 months together like this, really nice relationship on personal level, a lot of trust to share everything, but no sex.. We even went travelling together and all. I always told her everything I feel, all my past problems, she told me a lot about herself as well, etc. We have great communication and a lot in common. We have very different cultural backgrounds, but I don't think it's much of an issue.. Like I am sarcastic, she isn't. Anyways, she is cool with the lack of sexual spark for now and said she can wait and see what happens. Again, most women would have left by now, but she is just so persistent to make this work!

Now it's been 3 weeks I came back to Europe and she is coming to visit me soon. I still feel uncertainty about our future together, the lack of sexuality bothers me. And now come the questions:

Have you guys experienced something like this? Do you think that the sexuality is something that can be developed between us? For me it's a crucial part of the relationship and I don't want to be in a position where I am taking advantage of her by "using" her care for me, just to be with someone, while having all these doubts about our future compatibility.

Usually these sex drive problems start after some time together, not at the beginning, so that's why I would like some experiences from you. If you are someone who suffered from abuse as a child, then your experience would be very much appreciated!

I understand that the obvious answer may be to leave her, but try to look at this from perspective of someone who had a lot of problems in the childhood and teens, was never really loved by anyone, so I simply can't trust my obvious instinct here.

PS: I have no problem to meet women, so this is not the case of settling for someone bc I can't get better. I am just not sure if I would be losing an amazing person before trying all possible solutions to make this work.

Cheers!
 

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I think since you revealed so much about yourself to her, your investment level is really high compared to hers. That's why you're so attached to that girl

Did you try to have sex with her and she turned you down? Or do you really just not want her at all

In both cases it's probably not really worth continuing the relationship imo... But I don't want to sound like those reddit posts that say "dump her!!" Just ask yourself, without coping, if she's your dream girl or not
 

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If it is just that you do not think she is interested, then try to make love to her. I had a woman that I dated for more than a decade that I never thought was really down for sex, than later she told me that she would have married me if we had had sex. (By that time she was married to someone else and their second child was on the way.)
 

TomInHo

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I'm shocked nobody else has said this

Date hotter women


I doubt there will be no "sexual spark" if she was your perfect 10 lookwise
 

razir110

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Thanks for the replies guys.

To clarify, I am the one with the lack of sexual spark. She is totally into me. For real, I admire the patience she had so far, 99% of women would have left long time ago.

@TomInHo the weird thing, she is pretty hot, like very solid 7.5 (I am quite demanding on my scale lol) Like she ticks all the f boxes seriously.. She is sweet, vey feminine, wants a family, a bit goofy sometimes that is also kinda cute, she likes for who i am, 0 drama, adventurous, spontaneous..

I had this thought to myself, if she were an onlyfans model, with 0 dating value, I would definitely be sexually attracted to her.

This happened to me before as I said, i met and slept with 8s plus and when things got more personal I'd just start losing the sexual attraction for them.

This is what is making me wonder if by ending things with her I would just make a big mistake instead of taking the chance to explore this relationship better and to try to develop the sexuality between us. Given my past I just can't trust my gut feeling here, my tendency is to stay away from relationships and that f sucks... I know I let so many great girls pass me by like this.

I think that a lot of advice out there is very binary, like she is the one or just dump her, but in reality the past of many people, like myself, make this more nuanced.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Wow, sounds like you got a lot of real trauma going on there. Like you feel she's too good for you and you deserve someone that doesn't meet your standards

It's an attachment (self esteem) thing and there's really nothing strangers on a forum can do to help you fix that

If you're therapist isn't helping you through it. . . fire him

Sometimes you will need to go through more than one therapist before you can find someone that's actually helpful

Or you could instead just wife up a raging slut and never open up to her emotionally to maintain your sexual attraction

It's your call really
 

razir110

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Wow, sounds like you got a lot of real trauma going on there. Like you feel she's too good for you and you deserve someone that doesn't meet your standards

It's an attachment (self esteem) thing and there's really nothing strangers on a forum can do to help you fix that

If you're therapist isn't helping you through it. . . fire him

Sometimes you will need to go through more than one therapist before you can find someone that's actually helpful

Or you could instead just wife up a raging slut and never open up to her emotionally to maintain your sexual attraction

It's your call really
Yep... you got it right, there is some really f up trauma here man.. My therapist is recent, it's my 5th therapist actually, I gave up on the previous ones pretty quickly and I really like this one.
She explained me a lot abut these dynamics, it's, as you said, all about f up attachment

So I am trying to explore this side of mine with this girl to see where we can take this.

And btw, I told her almost everything I shared here, except I find other women more attractive ofc.. but I guess in any realtionship the guy and the girl will constantly see other more attractive people around..

Tbh I'd like to exhaust my chances with a gal I see myself having a family with before moving on to sluts just for the pleasure, I guess I might end up there in my 50s or so, who knows 🤷‍♂️
 

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again, dating involves dick in pussy if there is not dick in pussy is a platonic friendship....

and again if you have not fuck a girl in 2 days max 3 dates, you got nothing...

If she is hot, if she is cool, but your dick is not wanting to fuck.... It is the wrong girl... i don't care how hot she is...

I had legit playboy model that i could not get hard on, she thought i was gay..... Same happened to style in the book the game with a porn start...

Now a lot of newer guys don't want to make a move "sexual escalation" because they think they are progressing and succeeding in the interaction for all the positive reaction that are scare to sexual escalate and get a rejection, and make in their heads all type of rationalizations..... I actually have strong suspicion is this by the way, and all the other rambling is a bit of cope... and again i have had this scenario as well, so i am talking from experience...

read this as additional complementary resource:

 

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This happened to me before as I said, i met and slept with 8s plus and when things got more personal I'd just start losing the sexual attraction for them.

@Skills read what he said. Dick in pussy won't solve his underlying issue
 

razir110

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Lads I am happy to listen to both worlds, the no sex=platonic, which I mostly agree with and other views as well.

I think her visit will clear out all doubts, if there is still no sexuality between us, I will have to call it a day, as sad as it would be for and for her. But again, for real I never had such a nice personal connection with anyone, so I'd hate to just discard her and potentially miss out on an amazing person

Regardless, this is very revealing experience for me, I am learning quite a lot about myself and how f up my upbringing was
 

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Lads I am happy to listen to both worlds, the no sex=platonic, which I mostly agree with and other views as well.

I think her visit will clear out all doubts, if there is still no sexuality between us, I will have to call it a day, as sad as it would be for and for her. But again, for real I never had such a nice personal connection with anyone, so I'd hate to just discard her and potentially miss out on an amazing person

Regardless, this is very revealing experience for me, I am learning quite a lot about myself and how f up my upbringing was
Your style indirectly is very attractive my brother is naturally like this due to being a religious dude, attracts a lot of women... indirectly this produces a brent Smith no chase style attractive but was the point if you don't want to put dick in pussy...
 

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Hi all, so to keep all of this VERY short:

I was living in Asia, met a girl at the start of January, she is Vietnamese. Had a nice first date, invited her home, she didn't want to go, had the second date and tbh I felt that the sexual spark wasn't really there. Still she was interesting.. Had a 3rd date scheduled and I wanted to cancel, but she insisted that since we had it scheduled I should stick to it and I was like "wow this is interesting" so we went on the date and here comes the curveball:

I suffered from pretty terrible childhood neglect from my parents and it affected my life in all sort of ways, especially relationships. I am in my 30's and I still never had a proper relationship. I worked a lot on this for myself, therapy, etc, I improved a lot internally and now I feel ready to be with someone but... Ofc I am not comfortable sharing all this with women.. but I kinda trusted this gal and though " F it, I'll share it all with her"

The common wisdom is that you shouldn't be so vulnerable with women, you will be perceived as weak bla bla. But her reaction was quite surprising, she said she really liked how I dealt with all the shit that happened to me and it was almost the first time in my life I felt understood by someone who can be a potential romantic partner.

So to keep this post to less than 350 pages, we started seeing each, but I just didn't feel any sexual attraction by her. I thought that this was a pretty clear sign we are just great friends and not lovers, but the thing is that, this had happened to me many times before. I met girls that were perfect matches on a personal level (hot as well), but I just couldn't feel any sexuality between us. On the contrary, if I don't see the girl as a potential soul match, I am sexually attracted.

It does bother me a lot that since I am with her, I find other women sexually attractive... But as I said this happened before, personal attraction = no sex drive; no personal attraction = sex drive.

Anyhow, we spent 3 months together like this, really nice relationship on personal level, a lot of trust to share everything, but no sex.. We even went travelling together and all. I always told her everything I feel, all my past problems, she told me a lot about herself as well, etc. We have great communication and a lot in common. We have very different cultural backgrounds, but I don't think it's much of an issue.. Like I am sarcastic, she isn't. Anyways, she is cool with the lack of sexual spark for now and said she can wait and see what happens. Again, most women would have left by now, but she is just so persistent to make this work!

Now it's been 3 weeks I came back to Europe and she is coming to visit me soon. I still feel uncertainty about our future together, the lack of sexuality bothers me. And now come the questions:

Have you guys experienced something like this? Do you think that the sexuality is something that can be developed between us? For me it's a crucial part of the relationship and I don't want to be in a position where I am taking advantage of her by "using" her care for me, just to be with someone, while having all these doubts about our future compatibility.

Usually these sex drive problems start after some time together, not at the beginning, so that's why I would like some experiences from you. If you are someone who suffered from abuse as a child, then your experience would be very much appreciated!

I understand that the obvious answer may be to leave her, but try to look at this from perspective of someone who had a lot of problems in the childhood and teens, was never really loved by anyone, so I simply can't trust my obvious instinct here.

PS: I have no problem to meet women, so this is not the case of settling for someone bc I can't get better. I am just not sure if I would be losing an amazing person before trying all possible solutions to make this work.

Cheers!

I'm not a psychologist, but this definitely comes across to me as a trauma thing, where the part of you that you need to uncover is connected to a feeling of powerlessness.

Sexual drive and libido doesn't function as a simple mechanism on its own. It's tied to a man's concept of himself at all kinds of different levels, all the way from his core self-worth, to his confidence at moving around and dominating his physical environment. Everything about his psychology is built upon, in a more or less abstract way, his sex drive, and works in tandem with it. In a certain way, everything he does is a sublimated sexual expression, emanating from his libido, processed into something 'civilized' - sometimes more than sexual, but nonetheless sexual in origin, fueled by it.

It seems to me that your experience of psychological intimacy is, right now, tied together with something that inhibits your self-concept and your sex drive.

Like I said I'm no expert, but I believe the most important thing here is to work to remove your sense of self-worth from all people, and place it where it belongs in the spiritual realm. Questions of self-worth, in my opinion, belong between a man and his God, and never between a man and his woman, or his parents, or his peers.

Once you successfully extricate your sense of self-worth from your relationship with this girl, I believe you will be able to place her in the position she belongs, your subconscious will be able to absorb the understanding that she is 'just' a girl, a pretty, silly, sexy female companion who stirs you in all the right ways, without reaching all the way into your core and pulling on threads connected to your identity.
 
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