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Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
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This is the continuation of this FR. The approach was this:

I missed my train due to talking with her, so I did one more approach.

Again she didn't understand German. I open direct and this time she doesn't hold hands because "we shouldn't nowdays" so I transition into fistbump. I ask her if she's going anywhere interesting (my go-to second question atm) and she says home. I go into some banter of what she has waiting at home, ending with, "Don't say it too loud! There are kids around!"

Cold read her as a spontaneous person, and thinks quickly and nods in agreement. "Yes, I am quite spontaneous," she nods in serious agreement.

"That's great," I say. "But listen, I have to get going. We should grab coffee some time."

She agrees but asks me during putting her number in if I have insta. I say no, and she's all sceptical. I tell her I like to connect with people in person.

All in all, she wasn't very receptive and I didn't do the 'home' part smoothly at all. I was also wondering whether to close so kinda fast, as I did, or spend more time talking to her. She had a train to catch, but I'm sure I could've gotten a few more minutes. The question is, would I be able to build I higher point in what follows? I'm not sure. Probably. Next time I'll find out concretely how much time I have an adjust to that. And then I have a better chance of hooking her harder.

I didn't expect her to text back, but she did haha! And might even go out again. I think that spontaniety cold read was the most powerful thing in that set.



The last date was on Thursday. Tuesday next week, I text her telling her we should watch that movie together, not hoping for much.

Me:
Hey, hope you're doing great :) We should watch that vampire movie you talked about - if you promise not to bite...

Her: Hey
Her:
Her: already saw that now
Her: you'll have to come up with a new one

Me: Hahaha well, then I'll even be nice and let you pick it ;) Be creative

Her:
Her:
you switch responsabiity in such a nice way
Her: responsibility

Me: Just following my heart... :)
Me: Don't tell me your creative juices are squeezed out!
Me: Actually, no matter what you pick, I'll be fine with it (probably). I'm not a picky watcher. Lucky you ;)

Her:
Her: I'm the kind of person who likes to choose the movie but I want to feel like you did the effort to make the watching of it possible

Me:
Yes, that's why we have this lovely back-and-forth here ;p
Me: Just don't pick anything tooo cheesy! Hold yourself back

Her:
Her:
you're funny
Her: hope you're joking
Her: most of the time

Me: What do you mean?

Her: nothing
Her: well, just one thing to be clear
Her: I LOVE that we can be so weird with each other
Her: and would love to be friends
Her: but don't expect something else from me

Me:
I thought we were friends already! I'm the innocent one here, you temptress
Me: <photo of crazy weather>

Her: gooood
Her: continuation of this, not so important

...

Me: I can be there at 17:21

Her: ooooor
Her: we can meet earlier and go for a short trip somewhere in nature
Her: the weather looks lovely today
Her: nice and sunny

Me: The weather is indeed fantastic☀️ Sadly, I'm busy in the afternoon..

Her: ok
Her: also, why don't we meet at your place?

Me: My place doesn't work, unfortunatly. Plus you have the great view :p

Her: why not?

Me: Longer story. I'll tell you later

Essentially, she was trying to friendzone me. I knew from the bottom of my heart though that I'd not stick around if we were 'just friends', because then I'd rather just go and meet new girls instead in that time.

She tries to change to something more platonic, I don't give in. Honestly, I went in there with not much expectations and admittedly some small anxiety, but I had to go anyway.

I call her when I arrive to have her give me directions again. She comes down to find/greet me and bring me up.

I have her show me around the appartment before we sit down on the couch.

Her appartment is essentially right next to the train station with a crazy beautiful view of the lake and mountains in the distance - in one of the most expensive places to live. Yeah, she's loaded xD

We sit on the couch and essentially talk for 2 hours. I don't feel it though.

I'm in far more control and smoother than the last time we met. I handle anything she throws at me calmly and don't shy away from calling her out on her BS and teasing her.

She has an unconscious habit of bulldozing over people and being dominant in conversation, and I'm having none of it. She calls me 'rude' when I don't go do what she says, and stubbornly insists, wanting me to do it (e.g. get us water). Silly thing.

She is met by my reframing and counter-compliance demands, and soon she realizes I'm not pushable.

It then turns into her saying we're 'so alike' because we do the same things and have similar views (control/dominance in conversation; me qualifying her on her open-mindedness and spontaniety, etc).

Anyway, her roommates come back at some point. And here I thought we'd be alone...

Some highlights:
  • Her saying 'stop that' → My intense eye contact. Assignment of the week, after all, and what a perfect time to practice!
  • Her at some points trying to get more out of me. I never realized this before, but the person asking and inquiring and 'screening' is the person more in control...
  • My biggest weapon in frame battles was one word: Boring. ("You say this/want me to act like this? Boring... don't tell me you're actually boring as well? And here I thought you were interesting" ←Underlying frame.)
At some point I initiate our movie-watching, but she 'hates her room' as she mentioned multiple times and we end up back on the couch under a blanket I got us.

While she's failing to get screen mirroring to work, conversation moves to sexual fantasies of men and women.

The progression thread was: Me saying a phrase→Her asking where I got it from→It's from a gay friend of mine→Am I gay? (Because I make jokes like being swooned by the deep blue eyes of some random dude in the television)→No, but I wish I were bi...→Her too. Not in her fantasies...

This is a juicy topic, and I use it to display non-judgementalness and openness. What she likes 'depends' - I tease her about this week being 'rape season' and she says yes - for the guy. It takes me a moment and clarification to realize she meant the guy being raped... HAHAHAHAHA.

Well, in the future I must make sure to use more gambits like 8 orgasms and female suissiveness.

She asks about me (of course I'm the dominant one!)

Oh, I boyfriend disqualify here too. Tell her I'm a bad boyfriend. She asks why. Not ready for commitment and not fair to keep her if she wants more... so I let her go.

Eventually she gives up making it work, and we start watching Rick and Morty on her tablet, snuggled up of course. (Previously we were somewhat far apart with her trying to keep things platonic.)

To illustrate the full extent of her feisitiness and dominance streak, this shows it quite nicely:

She had gotten food before, the corn cracker things. She at some point wanted me to get water for her. I feel no need to. So when I make to grab another cracker, she grabs the ENTIRE thing and moves it away. "Water first," she says.

Heh. I'm stronger than her and overpower her pretty swiftly, and put it away from her reach on my side. So far so good.

But then I go grab one from the pack and she LUNGES at it and fights with all her power to prevent me from eating it, making an enormous mess of everything...

I'm still stronger than her and 'tut tut' her for misbehaving and making a mess.

"Look what you did!" I laugh, "It's all over the couch! We need to clean this up. Tell you what, I'll get us water while you clean this up."

She pouts for a moment. "You get water, and we'll clean it together," she attempts. I just chuckle and get up.

<Later in the evening, as we were lying in bed, she told me I was 'strong'. She was most likely referring to this moment>

Well, manhandling her makes her feel aroused. Not soon after, we're close again and our faces are close. I smile slowly, put my hand on the side her face/neck, and pull her in the last distance.

I was very, very concerned and had only one big thing in mind: PUSH PULL

With her acting like she likes control, I knew I couldn't into her pace. I needed to have control...

So when I kiss her, softly at first, I make sure to pull away first. Then move in... stop... act as if I'll kiss her again... then move back again... and then abruptly kiss her.

Sometimes when she moves her head to lean in I move away equally fast, not allowing her any opportunities. Don't worry, dear, I'll take care of you... but at MY pace.

This fear is perhaps unfounded, as I am surprised to find out. She falls into my lead quickly...

Making my way down her neck, I can feel her shiver in my arms. Beautiful thing. I once flip her over so she's on top of me, because I find it makes the girl think 'ah, I'm the one doing this and escalating - I must want this, then'. It works! She gets very into it and starts dry humping riding me.

This goes on for a bit, with me sloowly teasing and escalating, when...

BAM. Her roomate exits her room.

We both freeze, and she immediately jumps back into a more innocent position.

Generally, it's not looking good logistically though. Her roommates are home, and my girl can't keep quiet...

She tells me that's why she wanted to go to my place. But I live with my parents still, so that doesn't work...

She says she 'doesn't to one night stands' somewhere here too.

I do the 'every passionate relationship began passionately' and she doesn't have a refutation for that.

"Stop thinking so much," I tell her as she's leaning over my lap supported by my arms, "and FEEL". I kiss her right after and she moans into my mouth.

We continue watching the movie, but in a far more intimate position. I love teasing her with soft gestures on her neck and body, and she complains she can't concentrate... but that isn't my problem, is it now... ;-)

Soon she says she's 'tired' and we should go to bed. I missed my last train, so I'll have to sleep with her... how terrible...

We get ready and I change to sweatpants I had brought. Be prepared for anything!

She tells me she likes to hog the blanket and space. She's out of luck though - she met me. And facts would prove that later.

I have us snuggle really closely and have my arms around her. "You're so possessive," she says, not moving a milimeter to get away. "You love it," I shoot back.

I go back to push pull principle. Kissing her neck, her body, slowly working her up.

It's no surprise when at some point I notice her completely letting me move her body as I wish, so I get her under me and get to kissing and now grinding. This works very well - she's moaning and grinding her pussy against my pelvis and dick. I vary the tempo as I dry hump her.

Soon, I stop and continue kissing. This time, I make my way down her body, as slowly as I want. I somewhat skip her boobs and go from her stomach...slowly...agonizingly... down.

When I reach her pussy, I completely ignore it and continue kissing the length of her legs. I start with one, move back, lightly skim over her pussy, and move on to her other leg. Rinse and repeat, but every time I stimulate her pussy more.

When I decide to take off her pyjama panties, she's panting and takes great initiative to help me get them off. Heh. Good girl...

I continue my earlier game. Her pussy is DRIPPING. Absolutely soaked and fully engaged.

I had just rewatched Hectors 'How to Eat Pussy' video and his tips were swirling through my mind.

Starting off gentle, I increase the intensity as I go. Then back off completely to redo my hair (I have long hair that started to get in the way) or going back to focusing on her legs. I keep this up and she's going crazy.

Enthusiasm beats technique, Hector said. Very well. It's exactly what I do - and honestly I'm having fun doing it. I don't hesitate to let her know, either.

"Whatever you're feeling is just a side-effect," I say, "I'm just enjoying myself."

I also don't hesitate to let her know how 'beautiful she looks like this' and 'delicious her pussy tastes'.

Soon, I tell her she's only allowed to say 4 words: Higher, lower, harder, softer. No one knows her pussy better than her, after all...

Normally, this would be 'harder, softer, faster, slower' (per advice of Stirling Cooper, I believe. But in this case she reacted the best when I went lower)

I quickly find her most pleasurable spot and speed, which is actually me somewhat tongue-fucking her. Finding the rhythm she reacts to the most, I keep at it until she can't anymore.

She later tells me she came close many times and when she finally did, it made her be in a totally warm, relaxed and blissful state.

I go back to cuddling/kissing her, and grab a condom as well.

Here is where something I didn't expect happens.

I don't get fully hard...

And let me tell you, I was hard almost the entire evening and night, and never have problems with this. But for some reason, it being so late and the condom desensitizing everything... I'm not 100% erect. And this is terrible.

I slip inside her with having her guide me, but it's not so easy when not fully hard... we get fucking for a bit and that was fine, and I felt it get better, but at some point I slip out and there it goes. Can't really slip back in with the condom...

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

I play it cool and she's super understanding, and she's tired and satisfied, so is fine with continuing another time...

I put the condom away and grind my dick on her pussy from spooning position, her slick juices making everything quite hot. But still not 100% again...

This is quite a shock to me. I'm 20, have ZERO problem getting hard (and indeed, could have fucked her without... but I'm not risking rawdogging this chick, plus she was in the middle of the month fertile territory... so doubly hell no!). But apparently the condom and culmination of everything made my warrior not keep up.

Weird as hell.

Well, I decide to not overthink it and go to sleep while holding her naked body close. She's still in her post-bliss, and opens up quite a lot. She tells me lots of personal things she didn't mention before and really bonds.

I decide to try something I saw someone on the forum using, but he used it for hooking girls after the approach: I have her tell me three (3) things she likes about me.
  1. Our conversation is interesting
  2. How well she can relate to me, how much we have 'in commen'
  3. Interesting: How I have an 'inner peace' that nothing can touch, that no matter what happens I can react to it calmly and not have it affect me. This I imagine is how I deal with her BS and brush it off... and she read deeper into it. Fascinating.
She also tells me how 'unexpected' this is and how she accepted my offer because she wanted to make friends here. Exactly as I assumed.

At all times we had to be quiet, as her roommate was sleeping right next door...

We go to sleep far later than expected.

In the morning, she's back to her super feisty, wannabe-bossy self.

It's interesting how she's like that 'normally', but when it gets down to actual physical escalation and sex she fell into my lead. I imagine this is because I let her feel allowed to do so, and because I'm just better at being physically dominant when it counts. Push-pull here really worked its magic!

Analysis​

Things I did well:​

-Never gave in to frame-control and dominance battles

-Always led the interaction forwards

-Used push-pull successfully for escalation: kissing and more

-Successfully applied Hectors tips on oral sex. First time I ever really did it, too!

-Kept my calm no matter what and let her feel allowed to express herself

Things to improve:​

-Staying hard with a condom. This is really weird. I'll have to rethink my fapping habits and mood control in greater detail

-Better, smoother introduction and expansion of sex talk and related conversation

-More pacing during the bedroom and sex itself, as I see my fellow warrior hero @Lofty does. I get inspired seeing how he does it.

-All the points I already mentioned in my FR.

Conclusion​

Second girl I got together with. What a ride, haha - I don't expect to meet many girls like her. But it's a great learning experience and awesome practise for frame-control, and generally pushing yourself to lead even when you're uncertain.

No matter what, I had a lot of fun! It fuels me with drive just thinking about how I managed to take it from street approach (in the busy train station) to here... and I want to replicate it and develop my skills to be able to do it consistently.

Onwards!
 
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