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Intro
This is a B2B lay after a bad slump. I had a combination of like 4 different social circles and the main one randomly befriended this hot (but crazy) chick that I had cold approached just a few weeks prior. It felt a bit dicey since I don't want to create reputation issues, but I navigated it for the W.
After I banged the brazilian chick that same night I went out to do more approaching. I met a guy also practicing game (he made it clear through our conversation) to link up later at a pool party the next day. I was actually super fucking excited to approach with this guy, but then I got invited to a beach party with my rave social circle. I've been spending too much cash so I figured, well, as much as I want to just focus on cold approaching I can do that on the beach and save cash, so let's do that. Plus my roommate wanted to hang and it would have been hard to be like, "no bro I'm going to this expensive rooftop pool thing with a complete stranger instead" and I don't like sharing all my seduction knowledge with him (I'd love to but he can't handle it).
Beach Party
We get to the beach party (tons of canopies, a DJ set, slip 'n slides, boats, probably like 100 people or so) and I say hi to my central group at the SC, while kinda scouting the whole party for who I might take a shot at. I happen to see this girl, QB, that my roommate introduced me to (we know her BF) and go up to her. She's really cool and I can tell she's attracted to me, but I also love her BF and don't like messing with that type of shit anyway so we keep it cordial and cool. Then her very hot (HB 8.7-8.8) blonde friend, Lawful Raver, comes up to us, who I recognize but don't remember her name or much about her. I remember thinking she was dating some guy the first time and not talking to her much because of that. I'm also shirtless with my physique showing so that's always helpful. Get those fundies up gentleman it makes shit easier in those beginning stages. Better to deal with her thinking you get too many girls than to have you thinking you get too few.
Then, a girl that I cold approached 2 weeks ago (really strong open, number grab), then saw her again out in the wild (and she approached me so I flirted with her friend before ejecting) joins us. I had to slow my roll a bit because here we have a SC group.... that made friends with a girl who I cold approached. I just leaned into the pre-selection of her liking my approach while I kept my distance from any high level details or the fact that we've exchanged numbers. She's got crazy eyes too... so I'm extra cautious in the back of my head. SC shit like this, is when it's time to break out all the Robert Greene studying I did (mostly in the past 1.5 years).
My original approach was they were talking about some girl who cheated on her boyfriend / her boyfriend was into one of them and the girlfriend retaliated by fucking some other dude and burning bridges with her... so I came up and say.... "is this a serious conversation....? or just a really juicy one? ", and they all just ATE that shit up with my vibe. And then I texted Crazy Eyes about the juicy convo and got responses but we never reconnected.
I just keep it super cool and bring back the original approach energy best I can... I let her describe some watered down version of it that doesn't make her look bad, and then kinda pause and go, "You caught me, sometimes I eavesdrop (smirk), it was just such a JUICY convo though", and the girls seem to accept this answer as whatever I did being calibrated and cool. No bad vibes.
Once that's handled we chit chat a bit more and I eject saying I'll find them after I grab my roommate, who they know. I go grab him tell him the great surprise that our hot lady friends are present and then bring us all together. Crazy Eyes is into my roommate a little bit (she's definitely promiscuous and loves male attention) so I let him take the reigns on that for a second, while I just quiet down and chill out. I want to back away from the attention I just had regarding women and preselection so I don't trip anyone's "player radar". My roommate has good fundamentals and is a cool guy, also a fairly strong conversationalist, but his game is lacking any sort of process or transition and he has tendencies to oscillate between overtly acting mysterious only to start qualifying himself later on. Which, well we know how hard that breaks frame.
Preselection Boost
Anyway, I actually want to make sure my foundation with Crazy Eyes is okay and she's not gonna be a problem for me. I also recognize that I for sure just got a boost in attraction with her because she's met my hot friends, and understands I'm not just a loner who goes out by himself talking to girls all the time (when in reality I would pick that any day over talking to a bunch of normies getting drunk and gathering clout for clouts sake, lol). I float back over to her, and ask how she met my friends.
There's some sparkly face gems on the table next to us (the sticky kind you use for parties and raves) and I tell her, "could you help me look pretty? I'm trying to freshen up over here and need some female touch". She places them on my face and I ask her if I'm pretty. "So pretty" she says. "Here, I'll help you be pretty too and we can go show everyone how pretty we are", I reply. She concedes and then I have to gently hold her face to firmly press the gems on her cheeks, and now we're kind of matching but with different colors. When I'm getting it on her face I say, "let me manhandle your face really quick... perfect", but I said it pretty privately lol. We go back to the group and I announce the breaking news of how pretty we've both become. Crazy Eyes goes, "yeah he did a really good job of manhandling my prettyness" lmao which was a fairly bold flirt on her end. "It's the least I can do for a new friend", I laugh back. Notice I do a physical touch that everyone can see, but keep my public verbalization very subtle. That's how you be discrete about preselection, and women pick up on it and appreciate it.
That popped up my preselection with the whole group because it not only confirmed but also raised my foundation with Crazy Eyes. Lawful Raver was eyeing me big time after this. In reality, I have 0 desire for Crazy Eyes at this point because while she's totally hot, I get a verrrrry "unpredictable" vibe from her. I avoid these girls like the plague because my history with them has been they are really sexually forward and exciting, until they turn out to be super toxic and undesirable in one way or another down the road. So, at arms length I moved it an inch forward in a very flirty way, and got even better results I was hoping for.
After this I slowly float to Lawful Raver who tells me a little more about herself, and I find out that she's really into EDM. Some of the ravers I originally showed up with have joined our group, and we have a fun discussion about it. Definitely boosted similarity between us. However, at this point I'm not actually even going for her. I'm not sure if she has BF and is just attracted to me or what the exact deal is. If she does, I don't want to be too aggressive with her, or frankly even attract her that much. Can cause serious drama when you do. I think the very fact I was unsure about her made her more like, "why the fuck is this guy not chasing me" cuz she's pretty fucking hot and definitely the hottest in the group. We both have interest in that music festival I was recently at, it's both our favorites.
At the peak of our conversation, and as I'm walking away from her, I say, "yeah we can exchange information I'll definitely be there next year." This basically plants the seed of "I'll get your number later" / more investment, followed by withdrawal. An easy push pull to make her mentally invest, and it worked.
The rest of the party I spent bouncing between groups. I lucked out a few times because, completely randomly, my old coworker shows up, runs up, and high fives me and we talk. Then a hot girl DJ (fucked her last year, low key forgot about it because I was mega fucked up and my buddy had been fucking her, kinda felt bad) I know shows up to our little circle, talks to me, and then one of the marketing dudes in the underground scene pops up on a jetski and waves me over. It was a huge flex just because of the way he slid up on the thing, stopped for me, and as we talked like 2-3 girls surrounded us. I was simply having a fucking hay day of social proof and preselection, I had no idea that any of these groups knew each other.
Quick MILF Cold Approach
During all this, I see a 9.2 MILF with huge tits sitting with her friend next to our party, so naturally I pop over and open them with something stupid about the seltzer brand they were drinking (it was super off brand so I used a playful curiosity). I had a great set talking about traveling and adventurous times to be alive. Had some shit test about the age gap, I think they were like 8 years older than me. I didn't care and said something about, "what were you doing at 28?" and she made it sexual. I leaned into it and thought we were really getting somewhere. Unfortunately the 9.2 tried to pass me off to her friend who was like a 5-6 with a belly. Not interested lol I give her my number promise to text them and don't. But it comes in handy later.
I glance back at my group a few times and noticed girls staring at me as I'm talking up this hot ass chick. Good impression for those who didn't know ya boy don't give a fuck.
I go back to the group after talking with the MILF and her friend for roughly 30-40 minutes, and my roommate has made like 7 friends, all dudes, to join our group of girls. One girl came up at the end and got my instagram haha I should probably follow up with her. A good cold approach looks great to a social circle full of men who would be way too scared to ever try some shit like that. Gotta be good though.
Quick Dinner
Also, I love my roommate, but this is absolutely the most annoying thing about going out with him. He invites ALL these dudes he meets to just join in the group. This is stupid because and the girls aren't always down for a bunch of low-mid value dudes just hopping in the vibe. It's doubly stupid, even if we get high value dudes because they might just bring in unwanted competition / play dirty and not see life in the abundance that him and I do. Why are you bringing in distractions / dead weight / competition? The only time I'd want more dudes in the group is if I need to pass off a less hot chick to someone so there's less cockblocking. But he has no concept of that. Not that I have a scarcity mindset, I don't want dead weight slowing us down, and I don't want guys with game who DO have a scarcity mindset to come in and fuck our shit up. I only want guys to join if they're cool and show that they possess an abundance mentality too.
We make plans to go to some place and eat, and the guys all want some ratchet place that, well, guys like lol. I shoot that down and suggest somewhere that's better for what the girls want (and somewhere I might have social proof) and the girls all light up and let me take the lead in terms of suggestions. Shit's going perfect for my frames. We figure out logistics and go. Luckily some of the guys we're with start tapering off. I think I heard the girls say something about that "being okay". As we're walking over, I see the MILF, give her a big smile and go, "Hey! Talk with you soon!" and they smile back. I knew I wasn't going to be texting her gross friend, it was purely to boost preselection in front of the girls.
I use this walking time to isolate and deep dive Lawful Raver about why she loves that music festival we're both into. I'm literally wearing a one-of-a-kind shirt from that exact festival so this really boosted our alignment in her eyes. You don't see people in CA that even know about this fest, so this was great for my frame as a guy who she doesn't meet often / fate or whatever.
"Sold Out Show"
Once we're at dinner, my roommate invites yet another random guy to our table lol so now it's 4 guys and 3 girls. Not that big of a deal, but eventually Lawful Raver and Crazy Eyes reveal they're going to a concert downtown in a few hours. QB is not going. It's an EDM group that I love, so I consider getting tickets. Then, they all go to the bathroom, and when they come back QB says the concerts sold out, but we should try to get tickets anyways. Now... I'm not sure what happened here. Women lie all the time, for minor reasons.... so I try to use some deductive reasoning.
Maybe they picked up that I wanted to ditch the other 2 guys, I'm not totally sure. Maybe they wanted to ditch all of us, but that wouldn't make sense considering they've been leaning into my vibe more and more every interaction. It's hard to say, but it was a lie, so I have no problem lying to fit my agenda too.
My dark side was kinda taking over here and I got really quiet because I was annoyed that I had to sit at the table with these 2 guys I didn't know and I didn't consider high value at all. I used to not be like this, and I feel like I've closed off my warmth and my heart to people who don't necessarily "deserve" that sort of treatment. As time has gone on I really don't talk to guys in public I don't see as close to my level or above my level, unless I can use them to my advantage. At least I know these tendencies are something I do and I can do my best to temper it.
I walked away from the table to investigate the show details covertly. The concert wasn't sold out, I literally went to the IG page and immediately bought my ticket. It took me 3 minutes to get a ticket from a public social media page.
But I recognized that I could do 2 things for myself here, so I took the Machiavellian route.
Instead of coming back to the table and saying, "hey guys! It's not sold out! We can all go!", I went straight to Lawful Raver when I come back to the table and say, "hey - good news... I got tickets. what's your number?". She lights up and then there's a commotion at the table and all the guys are like "bruh how'd you get tickets" and I say, "I know some people in the industry, let me see what I can do" (which is total bullshit I didn't text anyone or anything. Literally just bought the ticket). I also didn't want to create any friction with the girls, since.... why would they say it sold out? What if one of these dumbasses, or even my roommate gets weird about the fact that it definitely was not sold out?
I'm indifferent towards what they actually did to arrive to the girls who's not even going to the concert, QB, being the one to tell us that it's sold out. Out of all the possibilities, my guess would be Crazy Eyes made it up and told QB to tell us, and QB just repeated it to us.
Nightclub Rave
So now I have Lawful Raver's number. One of the guys gets my contact and dips out. I tell him I'll message him and never do. The other guy is like buddy-buddy with my roommate now, but the more he talks the more his weird antics and low value reek out of him so I kinda start tuning him out while remaining cordial. I split off and go home before them so I can change mental gears, we're now going into a Vegas-style nightclub with a very big headliner coming in, and we were just at a beach party. All that friendliness with everyone is about to change into a ego-driven, clout driven, sardine can packed environment and I have to hit the ground running for that. I shoot her a very low key text directly and avoid the group chat. My roommate engages the group chat while I remain aloof and don't reply at all.
We pregame and pop back out. Luckily this new guy is driving us so it saves us the cost of an uber. At least he's good for that (lol I'm suck a dick).
Finally at the nightclub, things felt pretty easy and natural for me from here. Working in a nightclub for 2 years gives me an edge in these environments whereas everyone else gets lost in the chaos. I wait around in a somewhat high traffic area scouting for new girls, but keeping our SC chicks in mind. I approach one girl on the top floor to try and break into a VIP bottle service table. She tries to get me in and introduces me to some guy and a bachelor party, who immediately bean dips me while saying, "yeah man come through". I should have known immediately that this guy saw me as a threat and a problem from how he bean dipped me, lol. As soon as the girl gets into the table he tells security to kick me out. I hardly fight it, lmao and walk away laughing my ass off.
Then I hit the pit and that 9.2 from SC sees me and invites me to a table, saying she'll text me. She never did - this was just to try and make me chase. I think she saw me almost kissing that girl from Thursday night and saw the preselection, so now she wants to get me chasing her. Nice try cutie I don't chase you or the clout you're surrounded by.
My texts with Lawful Raver are super simple and aloof:
Me: Name
2 hrs later
Me: Hey Lawful we're about to head in
Me: Stopped at this rooftop and then ubering over
30 min later
Her: Hi! I'm here
Her: Let me know when you are in
7 min later
Me: Walkin in
Her: Im gonna come find you (instant text back)
Me: We're at the main bar (2 min later)
Lawful Raver approaches me and we hug and chat. They get invited to a bottle table through Crazy Eyes while my roommate and the random dude to in the pit next to their table. I guess they're all microdosing shrooms. I don't and just drink. I pop into the pit by myself and dance to this song about breaking up with a girl and to dance on, take a video and flip off the camera while thinking about my MLTR (and low key hoping the 9.2 I saw and/or Lawful Raver saw me.)
Oh - You're Single
I go back up to get a drink and Lawful Raver approaches me again - with this level of attention, I just ask her, "are you still with that guy you were dating... back in like April?" (when we first met) and she smiles and says no she's totally single.
Immediately in my head I'm like, "well what the fuck have I been doing?" and increase touch significantly. She's totally responding well to it, so I quickly go from touching arm to the small of her back to grabbing her ass gently and she's getting turned on by it. I'm also getting hard, which is basically my magic compass to whether or not I could fuck this chick right now. When girls are turned on, I get turned on.
Now I just need to handle Crazy Eyes. Lawful Raver and I talk about how this venue is "too Vegas" for us because the staff keeps yelling at us to get out of the main walk way unless we buy a table lol and basically acting way to hardcore for the chill crowd we have in there. At this point I realize that her and I are brewing a good "Us versus The World" frame because of the strong similarity framing I was doing earlier, showing it's face again with the venue preferences.
Crazy Eyes loves the karaoke spot we met at so I say, "let's leave now before the concert ends and they start pushing us out like sheep" and after a little bit of inertia with Lawful Raver, since apparently she hates karaoke, but eventually we all agree. Crazy Eyes helped here a bit because it's like her favorite place in town.
At the karaoke venue (I'm leading and they're lost on the way over, good frame) we sit down and Crazy Eyes helps me IMMENSELY... just..... without trying to lol.
Crazy Eyes goes up to sing karaoke and does something really fucking weird for social circle, while I sit with Lawful Raver.
Crazy Easy Close
Once it was just us, I say something to Lawful Raver with my arm on her leg, and kinda nudge my face closer to hers, and she grabs my face and kisses me. You could tell I was just driving her crazy at this point lol. We stop making out and look to the stage and screen for Crazy Eyes..... who has screenshotted some VERY old picture of Lawful Raver's family and put that the screen for her karaoke background.... which totally weirds Lawful Raver out because she met this bitch 2 weeks ago. So she's like "what the fuck bro - why does Crazy Eyes have that up there. That's like deep deep in my instagram... I barely know her".
Robert Greene told me to destroy my enemies when given the chance so I tell her about how my roommate and I fully agreed that she "has Crazy Eyes" and tbh creeps the both of us out, but promise to keep that secret because I don't want to wake up with my apartment burning down.
This created a deeper "Us versus Them" frame which made my pull much easier. Cuz now she trusts me way more than the girl she came with. It's wild how just not being a fucking weirdo at the right place right time can do wonders for you, lol.
Lawful Raver also mentions again how she hates karaoke and to never take her there again. I see my plausible deniability out and say it'd be better we just show each other good house music at my place, with a better view and a good speaker. She's down.
I predicted that she'd be fine with us leaving, because 3 much older gentlemen were giving her a lot of attention and she's an attention whore, and basically bet her that when she asks her if it's cool that we leave she doesn't care at all.
My bet was on point because she then went into detail about how great these older men were (like 50-60 year olds) lol and how much fun she's having. Lawful Raver says, "well Hue and I were just making out so I think we're gonna go". I buy us a drink and move us, isolate and escalate touch more, and then call the uber.
No resistance at my house, texting her for round 2 right now. Pretty solid fuck, very hot naked, but I need to turn her a little less vanilla if we make this into some form of a LTR. She's SC so I gotta be careful with how invested we get. I bet you she wants a BF (hence her being lawful and conventional, she also has a serious career in law) whereas I probably just want FB or MLTR with her (cuz I'm a wild man and like to fuck many hoes).
Conclusion
- When cold approach and social circle combine, you gotta play it cool, but also not deny or downplay the fact that you totally had the balls and the interest to cold approach a chick. There will always be randomness to this depending on how the approach went, what you said, in what context, etc., but just be chill about it, agree that it happened as a pleasant experience, and move on.
- Since I kept flirting with her, I successfully bumped preselection for both her and in my friend group - neither would have happened if I hadn't played it cool.
- For social circle events at nightclubs, use withdrawal to your advantage. Girls can't find you as easy so they go into desperation mode to find you faster - they will assume you're probably with something new and exciting or with new girls
- *This is not the case for cold approach in nightclubs unless you can easily draw attention to yourself for social proof / preselection. I've read reports of Teevs going closer to cold / bitchy babes with new women surrounding him and then ultimately going home with the cold and bitchy ones.
- In cold approach, you are much more likely to lose the girl for good if you lose her once. Chaos, guys with game, and wild cards are everywhere.
- I'd even add, use withdrawal at your own risk during social circle. I had Lawful Raver very attracted here before we even got to the club, so it was practically her mission to find me again.
- *This is not the case for cold approach in nightclubs unless you can easily draw attention to yourself for social proof / preselection. I've read reports of Teevs going closer to cold / bitchy babes with new women surrounding him and then ultimately going home with the cold and bitchy ones.
- With girls who are 8+ I think it's really important to not be too high investment in the beginning, and then as you find ways to qualify her, and she starts to qualify you / outline things about you she likes.... increasing her mental investment, then you can lean in a bit more. The fact I didn't try with her early on because I wasn't sure if she was single or not helped me a ton.
- Us versus The World is a great plant to nurture throughout the seduction, not just once. It can be great to step into that safety zone of comfort after you've boosted attraction... to bring your attainability up too.
- That said, don't overdo it or try to forcibly introduce / reintroduce frames about it. Keep it subtle, don't overwater a healthy plant.
Back at it baby
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