High Energy vs Low Energy Game

[andersen09]

So I have a Caliberation problem when it comes to energy.

I am aware of the principle, always match the girl's energy and little bit higher.
With that being said, sometimes I'll watch guys of a opposite nature perform, and see how they do.

I'm naturally more congruent to low energy vibes and give off the "cute and sexy" type of vibe.
And when I'm high energy, it's either "TOO dominant -> Domineering" OR when I have fun I have the "Party Clown" type of vibe.
I know this because of the reactions I get from the women.

The thing is I watch guys from RSD infields, and it's always almost very high energy, which intrigues me as when I'm low energy, things go pretty smooth with women. But when I'm high energy it's when I have troubles.

I didn't masturbate or fuck a girl for about 1 month. I also strongly focused on fitness and building testosterone. And as a result, I naturally had VERY high energy. Non-Grounded High Frequencies

And I noticed certain differences as an experiment in my salsa classes.

1. I'm very high energy/ "LETS PARTY AND HAVE FUN"
Girls React: "Laugh Nervously" or Annoyed "You're not supposed to go that way"

2. I'm very low grounded energy "After sex type of vibes"
Girls React: "Giggles, Hi " "I like you"

My question is this. When you have testosterone pumping through your body, what is the difference between having "Fun" in a cool attractive way when you have VERY high energy versus coming off as a "clown" and being too much?

And does anyone know how to ground your energy when you have SO MUCH energy you're expressing "too much"

 

[Hue]

My question is this. When you have testosterone pumping through your body, what is the difference between having "Fun" in a cool attractive way when you have VERY high energy versus coming off as a "clown" and being too much?

I'm not totally sure I'm visualizing what image you're describing with "Fun" high energy, but I'd think it would be the guy who is being pretty touchy, but the girl is still receptive, and didn't kamikaze his way into the situation. Sure, you might start to spike the energy soon after getting in the zone with some rapid touch escalation or directly sexual compliment, but you still approached more or less on the same level as her with your voice, tone, and body language involved in the approach. I've pulled this off when I've been feeling myself, but not to the point of cockiness.

Ex. Guy bumps into girl while getting a drink at a crowded club. Getting a drink is difficult because of how crowded it is and the incidental touch is hard to avoid. Immediately opens, how's your night going? with a devilishly charming smile. He notices the IOI's and touches her arm/hand while he carries the conversation and finds out more about her, qualifying / teasing / sexual framing all the while. She responds accordingly so he moves the touch further, establishing the hooking point. They both get their drinks and he says "it's way to loud over here, come with me" and they walk over to a more secluded spot and start making out.

The very high energy is the "bouncing off the walls" kind of shit that is spiking way too hard. I just did this last weekend.
It's try hard. Arguably socially inept. It might work in a super high energy environment like a club, but is still polarizing.
Think yelling, being overly touchy, braggadacious, teasing to the point of insulting, etc.

Ex. Guy rolls up hot on a group of girls and says something outlandish like "how the fuck is everyone's night tonight?", some girls are into it mostly because of other fundamentals and some become dry as the Mojave (polarizing). The dude asks them where they've been, what they do, about some article of clothing and goes over the top in qualifying them. His touching is met with either freezes by the girl or no response as if it never happened. Flat out socially uncalibrated.

And does anyone know how to ground your energy when you have SO MUCH energy you're expressing "too much"

Meditate. That doesn't have to be drop everything you're doing and find a secluded area to post up and get your "ohm" on, it could just be focusing on your breathing, taking some deep breaths, walking away and coming back, or some quick thing you've taught yourself. I put my hand down and make the "A-okay" hand-sign and look at it with a few deep breaths. No one notices, I now feel much more in control of myself. Or if you don't care about your health go smoke a cig. Terrible habit but it does help.


Also one thing I wanted to acknowledge is that high testosterone doesn't have to equate to bouncing off the walls, it can be cemented in vibe / eye contact / posture. There's also plenty of data suggesting you literally give off a smell that is more attractive to women when you have high testosterone.


Polarizing is fun, huh?


Hueman

 

[Michal]

Hi,

Energy is one of those abstract things which are harder to describe properly. A friend of mine, when he has high energy, he is just doing weird over exadurated gestures. He laughs as he speaks ( most likely because he cannot handle the energy). His jokes are more stupid because in the high energy states he wants to express himself in anyway possible. While the other friend, when he has high energy he is controlled but has more dominant body language than he normally has. He speaks a little louder with more resonance, he has slightly more swagger in his walk, takes slightly more space with his gestures and stance. His eye contact can be felt more, he seems more present, more open, positive and giving. While the clown friend is like that annoying little kid who has to comment everything when you are telling a story.
So to me, the difference is control. I am pretty much the same when I have higher energy but I seem more confident, assertive and self-assured. I have better posture but also I am more relaxed and less stiff. So I have more presence because of that.

 

[Richard]

If you're looking for high energy game that WORKS then I'd recommend you check out Sasha Daygame infield.

I'm not a high energy guy by any means (except for disc golf or pool) but Sasha Daygame is probably who I'd be if I was high energy; his style and approach is similar to mine, he's just a lot more high energy.

-Richard

 

[Drck]

Agreed with Richard, lower/normal energy level is IMO optimal

If you approach at high energy level it might be difficult to keep it high for you, expecially if you are introvert. You'll get out of steam soon, then your energy drops down, she'll get bored, and here the boot comes...

On the other hand, if you approach with lower/normal energy level, you won't set high expectations from her. You are just a guy who talks to her, as a person to person. If she likes you her level will rise automatically. You can then increase your level as well, and you can go back to normal level with no problems, she won't have high expectations from you...

Higher energy level might work well for you if you are rather extrovert, happy and outgoing guy. Which I think you are not, otherwise you wouldn't be here LOL

 

[andersen09]

Hi,

Energy is one of those abstract things which are harder to describe properly. A friend of mine, when he has high energy, he is just doing weird over exadurated gestures. He laughs as he speaks ( most likely because he cannot handle the energy). His jokes are more stupid because in the high energy states he wants to express himself in anyway possible. While the other friend, when he has high energy he is controlled but has more dominant body language than he normally has. He speaks a little louder with more resonance, he has slightly more swagger in his walk, takes slightly more space with his gestures and stance. His eye contact can be felt more, he seems more present, more open, positive and giving. While the clown friend is like that annoying little kid who has to comment everything when you are telling a story.
So to me, the difference is control. I am pretty much the same when I have higher energy but I seem more confident, assertive and self-assured. I have better posture but also I am more relaxed and less stiff. So I have more presence because of that.

You're right control is the answer. Because my body is so used to operating at a lower energy frequency, when there's such high energy levels, it doesn't know what to do with it. I'll meditate on this. Thanks.

 

[andersen09]

If you're looking for high energy game that WORKS then I'd recommend you check out Sasha Daygame infield.

I'm not a high energy guy by any means (except for disc golf or pool) but Sasha Daygame is probably who I'd be if I was high energy; his style and approach is similar to mine, he's just a lot more high energy.

-Richard

Thanks Richard, I'll look him up.

 

[andersen09]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dq9Ezlw-9g

This is such a nice contrast of game type I was looking for.

 

[Mr.B]

Okay,

I haven't been on the field for quite some time - any pickup things I do are me living life and striking up convos with girls.

When I am not trying to do anything different, new, matching the energy, etc. I have pretty similar energy levels to like a Derek Jeter, Jet Li. So I'm told.

I can totally relate, though.
When I have worked on the field as a salesman in retail stores where we're cranking upwards of 100-150* approaches an hour, energy would skyrocket because of:
1. Winning (closing a sale)
2. Building massive social momentum.
3. A huge fight or flight response from the mass approaching - I think anyway.

Some days I could keep my natural frame and stay grounded, which, were some of the best reference points I look back to.
Sometimes I'd get pumped with untamed high energy and any "no" I'd get would leave me borderline suicidal or like creepily smiling when I really wanted to punch the customer... Bizarre stuff.

So finally, the solution, every single time.

Drink 32 oz of water very very slowly and focus on letting water enter your mouth, breath out deep, water in your mouth, breathe in, repeat. I did this as I typed it and it works every single time, for me...

I enter a super zen state where you could be calling me the most horrific things, the world could be on fire, and I'm at total nirvana.

I will add, I'm obsessed with having 128 oz of water a day, I love breathing exercises, I could play with my nervous system all day for shits and gigs... some people may find my method to be ridiculous. I know that's only because of the angle they see it from.

I hope this helps, it's powerful stuff in my life.