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How do you know when to persist

zeroman2

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Hi Beginner Here

(sorry I been posting a lot on here as of late. It's just I fell my learning curve is a lot shorter when I post on here)


when it comes to persistence I'm bad at it. I have 3 main problems with it

1. I don't persist which leads to nothing (it's because I don't know if I should persist or let it go)

2. I come off as too pushy (like always trying to push for a date)

3. I come off as needy (just making idle chit chat and not getting to the point)

My Question is what to say or do to persist the right way. (Both in person and text)
 

Sub-Zero

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You will learn that in this game, you have to persist. Getting girls that like you is easy, but you wanna learn how to get girls who don’t like you as much, then you’ll be a beast.

Can you give some examples of your 3 problems ?

What do you mean exactly by always pushing for a date ?

Pretty much all your problems you already answered:

1. You must persist.

2. I’d like to see an example of you being too pushy. Just ask for a date like once a week. Don’t rush too soon for a date, but you will learn with experience on how to ask. If you cold approach a girl you have to set up a date to get her number, but you make idle chit chat at first, same with any kind of game. Talk a little then ask if they would like to go for a bite or drink, then set it up.

3. Get to the point then, don’t text girls all day or talk on the phone with no goal of a meetup.

As you do this more you’ll feel when you should ask her out and how to do it in a non needy way.

I would suggest reading the articles on persisting to get a feel on how to do it the correct way.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

zeroman2

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Thank you for the advise sub-zero as for examples of each. Here they are

1. There was a girl I meet through a social group a year ago and we seem to hit it off well at first. we do light flirthing (touching each other) make jokes, like and comment a few of my Facebook post. But after not talking to her in a month I try to ask her out over. text she didn't replay back I figure it was attraction expire so I didn't pursuit it any further.

Also just recently (like last month) there was the girl that gave me little signs that she like me. But Because I wasn't sure I didn't push

2. I only did this twice. The first time was with my former coworker years back. She gave me a ride to work one day and even invited me to her family thanksgiving party. After she got laid off I said there no reason we shouldn't hang out even if were no longer coworkers. Soon after I try to get a meet up with her. first time she said she was busy. second time her phone didn't answer. After Calling her 8-10 times over the course of a month with no answer I gave up.

Second time was last year (which I explain in better detail in my older post). Was also one of my former coworkers that got in touch with me through messenger. Asking me about some random question. After 5 days I ask her out she said "maybe" I said "alright just let me know". 3 days later I ask her out again and said did you meet up that day. She said "I would but my son has should tomorrow" I said we could do it over the weekend. Another 3 days later I ask her out again about meeting up that day she said "I would but I'm with my friend leave her". 3 days later I ask again about meeting up that day no responds.

3. There are so many examples and I think this is my biggest problem to this day (Because I don't know how to persist properly). One example was as recent as yesterday. I ask this girl out and she rejected me (it wasn't a no and she didn't make an excuse). And just a week later I just try to make idle chit chat with her and not getting to the point (mainly because I was afraid it would come off as to pushy like the ones on #2)
 

Sub-Zero

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1. Why did you wait so long to ask her out ? Why did it take a month ? You should aim to ask girls out pretty quickly, I don’t know if these are social circle girls or cold approach. Social circle is the only one where I could see slow game, but every other form of dating comes from you asking for a date, that’s how you get the contact details, you get it from asking if they want to grab something with you.

2. You want to switch your calling and texting. Chase has an article talking about this. He says if you keep texting or calling and she doesn’t respond to one try another method instead of building up the no responses from just doing one.

Maybe she would have answered you through text. If she couldn’t text, then yeah, I guess you had no option but to call.

On the other girl; don’t take a maybe. When a girl says that it means to drop her mostly. She should say she can or she can’t, no such thing as maybe.

After saying let me know, you should have never texted her out again, essentially you put the ball in her court and you texted her back.

Don’t accept “maybe” or “we’ll see” it means she’s bullshiting. She either can see you or she can’t that week. You ask them what their week looks like and when they would be free to grab a drink or a bite.. You should stop getting those responses, if she says that, you could either say what you said about letting you know and leaving it, or you just say cool and then you try to reschedule another week.

There’s different methods to handling this, you don’t have to cut them off exactly, but I would just not focus on women like that. Doesn’t hurt to try different methods tho to build up reference points.

3. No point for idle chit chat. You should have an objective mostly with asking chicks out. You hit her up and she will talk, but what is the reason ? The conversation could go no where fast and might bore her.

Is this girl from social circle ? If it is, then I could see no harm trying to just talk here and there if you’re not comfortable asking her out again.

But if a date doesn’t work out, you should mostly talk or text to get a date another time. If you want to chit chat, I think phone is better than text, you can feel emotions better.

It’s more of a mindset thing as well, girls know that meeting up makes the courtship go faster. I don’t feel pushy at all, I’m about my business.

If you truly feel pushy, do what makes you feel comfortable, but you should try to still ask her out a few times. Chit chat that goes no where doesn’t really do anything for you, but if this is a social circle girl, then it isn’t bad to chit chat and ask her out different times.

I recommend it in that situation, yes. If you see her a lot, you don’t want to keep asking her to meet up, if it’s over the phone, you should focus on the meet if you don’t see her in person.

There’s a lot of articles on here about persisting and how to do it the right way.
 

ElderPrice

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I never thought of persisting as applying to chatting/texting/trying to arrange a date. In those circumstances it can easily come across as weird or needy.

Some examples of what I think persisting is properly referring to:
- You ask a girl to dance. She has a big smile on her face but she declines. She's clearly nervous. She probably says many excuses for why she doesn't want to dance. But she's smiling. Her friends are pushing her to say yes. You smile and ask again. She says no, ask my other friend. You say no, I'm asking you, and you ask again. Eventually she takes your hand and agrees.
- You're cuddling and making out with a girl on your bed. She insists she's not sleeping with you. You say no problem and keep going as you were. Soon you start rubbing her pussy. She moves your hand away, but wasn't offended or turned off. You two keep cuddling and kissing. You try again. She moves your hand again. You two keep cuddling and kissing. You try again. Now she lets you finger her.

In these cases, IMO you're properly persisting because you can tell she's into it, but she just needs a little convincing. In an example like where you call a girl 10 times even though she's not responding, she's definitely NOT into it.

Another perspective that makes it easy to see if you're properly persisting or overdoing it: ask yourself what would James Bond do? Would James Bond call a girl 10 times asking for a date? Never. If he had a girl in bed that was tossing up some resistance, but she didn't stop or get out of bed, would he try a couple more times? You bet.

Just my two cents.
 
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