FR How I learned to stop worrying and love the Frame Grabs

[Lucky]

Introduction

Interaction went down in the smoking area in the club.
was more just looking for the next fun moment

was in a party vibe (need to regulate this and watch myself when feeling strong social momentum.)

also enjoyed this set a ton, gave me time to flow things and test things out, need to remember the goal here...

(just more on frames and verbals, had a time constraint so did what I could while enjoying myself...
probs a teachable moment in here)




Blue is me
Red/ orange is the HB
Green is the friends


Acronym Guide

CF= Chase Frame SF- Social Frame ES- Emotional Stimulation SA- Sexual Arousal SECT- Guns Sexual State/ Fundamentals Acronym (View his articles) S-Talk- Sex talk/ Prizing/Gambits DD-Deep Dive EC- Eye Contact

Outfit- Leather Bomber, Black V neck, Silver Eagle necklace, Black Jeans (slim), Chelsea Boots (the best)


Report Start

was talking to this group and having some fun with some chick's glasses in the smoking area before I got bored and decided to get some more approaches in

so I decide to walk towards the the stairs (body rocking) when i see some chick that looks like she's from X country
and I can't resist not calling out so....

Three Set, HB- Filipina
opened 1 in a three set counties again easy attention grab...

hey are you from X!?

then they started complementing my necklace and my jacket (either high interest or preselection from other group)

that jacket is sick! is it red?
no its tan...

I end up having to take a call to sort my ride home while the three of them are like holding my necklace

then once i finish i switch back to the three set and engage em

"where you guys from..."
use this time to decide on a target while they answer that...

then they reflect the questions back and I get them to guess. (countries stack)

I'm x
That's a red flag...

so I'm intrigued by how im totally a red flag cause of my race... so I do the obvious
call her out on it

you could be a heartbreaker too...
true...
what makes us a bad influence?
"idk most of you guys just seem to be off the rails"
"probs the strict parents and christian bringing"
"you get that?"
"no..." (gave minimal personal details on fam to bait her in a bit)

and she starts asking me all these SF questions like how old are u
, are u a player etc

so first I CF it

your asking me these questions seems like your trying to vet me, are you looking for love here...

running sect like crazy here...
she doesn't combat it

do you club a lot
a bit... I do stuff like language exchange and Salsa (I qualified here... think I was using this as an open loop for something)

then lead to spinning a story/ massive cold read on why shes here.

something among the lines of " let me guess your type who's looking for something special here even though you know the club is the worst place to do it...
(strong EC)
i get told that was smooth...

too smooth like your a player...
did your last few relationships came from clubs?

i imply i had a few, fluff on that for a sec then
HB then brings up how...

shes in a long distance relationship with someone back in her country...

i straight up call that a red flag long distance and in a club... (smirk and decent EC)

says she doesn't club often and that he'll move here to be with her in a bit

then i end up talking to her friend for a bit about where their third member is from i make sure to get in close
(didn't even realise i unconsciously did a jealousy plotline...)

then i get reengaged by the HB and she says she broke up with her long distance BF and it was pretty much already over when she moved here

i call her out on her BS

"did you say that just to fuck with me... you mentioned that like a second ago"

silence leading to a SF grab

where are your friends?
Are you alone?

i was with a few people but their likely gone by now...

then I CF em

by saying they were gonna try and kidnap me and spike my drink which they accept, then i take it further by accusing them of attempting to take advantage of me

which they accept and even play along with

"yeah we'll sooo spike your drink"

I mean I could probably fuck you all... like a foursome but only if i get protection... I dont want HIV
(Words just came out of my mouth, even I was like wtf in my head)

they just laugh and are pretty stunned

they push the red flag thing, so i switch gears, i focus on my ec on my mark and pull some tongue and cheek fun

maybe im here cause of you... maybe its fate that i showed here tonight and that you were here as well, destiny and all... is what a player would say (push and pull?)

yeah but even you said that it came out so smooth...

i say i picked up from a movie crazy stupid love (total bs but i like that movie also uncalibrated)
her friend says that's gay
you just lack good taste.../ fuck you (it was one of em.)


then i switch topic to the whole describing the lover dynamic somehow

think I said something uncalibrated like you enjoy the chase
nah I don't I prefer x
to lead into the lover vs player dynamic
(like I said earlier words were just flowing out)

then somewhere along the line I dropped this about player and lovers

"the difference with players is intentions, people get hurt because they promise things and dont follow through, everyone here is here for sex but its what cones afterwards that counts, but as long as you make your intent clear beforehand, then theirs no issue"

the three of them are pretty stunned and i catch the girl next to me giving the HB a look
guess i passed the test.


then i get a call- my ride will be at the casino soon so be ready to move and have signal (once i leave the smoking area my signal is limited)

the girls are getting ready to grab a drink and dance and i tell the HB I'll be out of here soon and i number close, lets grab a coffee sometime, maybe I'm really a red flag... but you can find it out
and she accepts.
and she asks me to grab a drink with her, which i decline due to needing signal then they walk away and i admittedly i forget her name...


interesting interaction though, whole thing was from the top of my head and unconscious knowledge



Next Section

end up asking another girl if she's Spanish before i ask another girl in super close proximity the same question...

HB Nurse (Journal Entry)



Aftermath
I send my ice breaker late the next day and this one is a girl to which I don't get a response back even with follow up a day later

My Personal thoughts
TBC- phone is about to off itself, in retrospect mainly I would say social frame issues, needed to watch my attainability here (player issue) as well.
will fix up tomorrow (half asleep state rn)
need to also double check how I deal with frame grabs in conjunction with SMMA

Conclusion
always willing to put stuff up to see what I may have missed otherwise maybe someone else can learn

PS- will make edits tomorrow based off phone formatting

 

[mist]

It seems you designed your game for something to happen and for it to happen fast.

With the way you spoke I'd expect you to fuck her in the bathroom rather than ask her out to coffee.

I see a fair amount of grandmaster/shock and awe in your verbals as well

In your last report you wrote about using Teev's sex talk, but imo your style reminds me more of Hector, Grandmaster, or Skills when he banters/trolls.

Might be worthwhile to lean into those three as Teev scripts and approach to sex talk doesn't account for the barriers, frames, and challenges you run into as his style is more considered, plausibly deniable, and I believe he has said he gives off "anti-player" vibes. If you saw him you'd have largely no idea until or if he makes a physical move he is wetting panties. Very discrete

You are larger and more direct in style which is workable but you must lean into and refine that or really dive into teevs style. As from the open to the bedroom there is a reason teev's sex talk reads different than pretty much everyone else's on here

ngl I don't think I've read a report where sex talk is done like teev, not that it isn't possible just that his whole approach has been designed with it and he's worked soooo many angles, responses, frames etc etc

 

[Lucky]

It seems you designed your game for something to happen and for it to happen fast.

With the Night Game set up I'm doing now, it's ideal
just need to push the limit more

but admittedly this was just a combination of what I've learned from the start, like the second this HB was like your a red flag, first instinct was just curiosity and tease to hook...

Then when i started getting all the frame grabs and such like idk i was kinda enjoying it, having to counter and use what i know to flip the script and when i was reframing things by just talking about my perspective on things (my frame), guess i was just enjoying playing the game

felt like the whole perspectives thing was a good hook as well which is why I decided to straight up use in the next set which came up

With the way you spoke I'd expect you to fuck her in the bathroom rather than ask her out to coffee

Looking back this is a fair point and very likely contributes to the lack of text back even with follow up + the potenial i have a bf/ dont have a bf thing...

I see a fair amount of grandmaster/shock and awe in your verbals as well

In your last report you wrote about using Teev's sex talk, but imo your style reminds me more of Hector, Grandmaster, or Skills when he banters/trolls.

This is more what I'm like when I'm just in that strong party state, tired or just bored at times
its neat but i tend to go off the rails, it needs to be more refined and controlled else it can be self destructive

The first teacher I zeroed in on when I started was admittedly Hector, a lot of his knowledge is what inspired me through my teenage years, related a lot to his story when i first found this site so it makes perfect sense

It's more so only last year when i started to get more serious about this and after some base field work i decided to balance it out with a more indirect style of play using cold reads to begin an interaction and mess around a bit due to the more tactical opportunities an indirect playstyle offered and I've incorporated stuff in like experimentation with sex talk, SOT's, different frames etc + reputation mangagement
so i can switch things up

but theirs always an element of playfulness to how i speak, in person at least which lends well to my chase frames

Might be worthwhile to lean into those three as Teev scripts and approach to sex talk doesn't account for the barriers, frames, and challenges you run into as his style is more considered, plausibly deniable, and I believe he has said he gives off "anti-player" vibes. If you saw him you'd have largely no idea until or if he makes a physical move he is wetting panties. Very discrete

You are larger and more direct in style which is workable but you must lean into and refine that or really dive into teevs style. As from the open to the bedroom there is a reason teev's sex talk reads different than pretty much everyone else's on here

Spoiler: My styles of play

Am using SMMA as a base structure right now and should be ideally sticking to it, feel like I can be pretty free flowing with it switching things up where I need
with social frame I mix Deep Diving with the rapport questions in SMMA to try solidify it where needed

Indirectly
Am just using sex talk to cover Emotional stimulation (ES) and Sexual Arousal (SA) typically... otherwise nudging topics towards SOT's
although should be really relying on my own canned ES's and tapping into them instead of relying on gambits mostly...

This Style (mostly riffed)
otherwise shock and awe is easy to get ES then fractionating into something like frames/ unique perspectives on sex and relationships to balance it out covers parts of (SA)
otherwise getting more SECT down and capitalising on this should cover this aspect more

also still got the second gen verbal stuff to ensure i cover as well.

although still need to be aware of the whole patchwork seducer thing, which this is likely bordering on...

ngl I don't think I've read a report where sex talk is done like teev, not that it isn't possible just that his whole approach has been designed with it and he's worked soooo many angles, responses, frames etc etc

He's on another level, the way he writes things in his articles is easy to understand and implement and similarly to Hector his philosophy has greatly influenced how i view things
his direct game and indirect game series was what initially led me towards more influence based stuff.

 

[mist]

With the Night Game set up I'm doing now, it's ideal
just need to push the limit more

but admittedly this was just a combination of what I've learned from the start, like the second this HB was like your a red flag, first instinct was just curiosity and tease to hook...

Then when i started getting all the frame grabs and such like idk i was kinda enjoying it, having to counter and use what i know to flip the script and when i was reframing things by just talking about my perspective on things (my frame), guess i was just enjoying playing the game

felt like the whole perspectives thing was a good hook as well which is why I decided to straight up use in the next set which came up

teev once wrote for nighttime the meta is SDL

if you want a solid number your aim should be PIV

This is more what I'm like when I'm just in that strong party state, tired or just bored at times
its neat but i tend to go off the rails, it needs to be more refined and controlled else it can be self destructive

The first teacher I zeroed in on when I started was admittedly Hector, a lot of his knowledge is what inspired me through my teenage years, related a lot to his story when i first found this site so it makes perfect sense

It's more so only last year when i started to get more serious about this and after some base field work i decided to balance it out with a more indirect style of play using cold reads to begin an interaction and mess around a bit due to the more tactical opportunities an indirect playstyle offered and I've incorporated stuff in like experimentation with sex talk, SOT's, different frames etc + reputation mangagement
so i can switch things up

but theirs always an element of playfulness to how i speak, in person at least which lends well to my chase frames

I can fall into a similar unrestrained unfocused style. It's important to clarify that you can have that, imo I'd choose venues where you want to game and venues you want to just let loose and have fun. In game locations be focused

This is necessary for me and you as we have not internalized the game done right. We're attractive options, social, and eventually we'll get girls, but it might not be THAT girl you want and you'll be a less efficient natural.

Fuck that take the game into your hands and hone into what your outtings purpose is. We'll develop fluidness between our seductive, social, and business mode eventually, but first thing first you gotta push the mode you want to the next level before blurring willy nilly.

He's on another level, the way he writes things in his articles is easy to understand and implement and similarly to Hector his philosophy has greatly influenced how i view things
his direct game and indirect game series was what initially led me towards more influence based stuff.

I was discussing this in chat

Simply stated, Things stated simply ≠ simply done

I have literally never read a report of a teevster clone. If not told I would see great game, but not a teevster student. His style is a masterwork, and honed in tight.

I have not even seen a poorly done version of teev as when you look at their actual work it violates his tenets of sex talk and indirect game

Take a chance to listen to his podcast or reread his writings on calibration and sex talk and you'll see what I mean.

He's 1/1 in my mind. Great insights, but it's a tall task to read teevster and think you're going to tailor what you do, see, and how you move infield to him without study and respect to the craft he's put into it. You must FULLY become his student to see the fruits of what he gets

Closest I've seen to using teevsters tech, written pretty much to a T as him, would be Skills...which is fucking hilarious

although still need to be aware of the whole patchwork seducer thing, which this is likely bordering on...

all this to say many great gamers can and do tap into many styles and merge principals from gamers that may seem diametrically opposed

Gun, Skills, Karea all come to mind in gamers who hit what seemed to be the peak then went to the drawing board and patch worked

in their cases though they really learned their gameplay, styles, and common objections/sticking points holding back from the consistency they want.

you and i are not there yet

All this game is great and as we both have seen can get tremendous reactions which when tempered allow for even more fruitful results...ontop of that there must be respect to the craft

You sorta are at a crossroads as all the different things you do in set are not congruently leading to the results you'd like

so what do you want, who's getting that, and what will you do to make it work

cause this patchy seduction/frames ain't gonna cut it for us anymore

you fucking in the bathroom or getting a day 2 for fucking later

wassup