Yo seducers I wanna know how do you guys feel about coaching, do you think it's worth it? And how did you guys manage to get your first lay, is it worth to have a coach? At point should you hire a coach, does it make sense to hire a coach as a newbie?
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like with all advisors - it depends on the coach. Mostly ninety percent of a field is meh imo in all fields.
I use good coaches and advisors all around areas i wanna improve in. But i spend quite some time analysing, assessing and finding refetences on the ones that are really good. I prefer to pay more for better. I ask key guys and girls that are smart mostly on their recommandations.
Often these are a bit secret. people dont necessarily share them too much so be vary with popular ones.
A good coach can support you progress immensely and the key is to develop a balanced collaboration vs passively receiving input.
also be vary of good pickup artists vs coaches.
PU is the domain of skill they may have.
But coaching is a whole other beast involving a variety of particular skills.
Pick one that knows both and find references that are alike you that say theyve gotten results and liked the one they recommend.
those are my thoughts to it.
- Glow
I use good coaches and advisors all around areas i wanna improve in. But i spend quite some time analysing, assessing and finding refetences on the ones that are really good. I prefer to pay more for better. I ask key guys and girls that are smart mostly on their recommandations.
Often these are a bit secret. people dont necessarily share them too much so be vary with popular ones.
A good coach can support you progress immensely and the key is to develop a balanced collaboration vs passively receiving input.
also be vary of good pickup artists vs coaches.
PU is the domain of skill they may have.
But coaching is a whole other beast involving a variety of particular skills.
Pick one that knows both and find references that are alike you that say theyve gotten results and liked the one they recommend.
those are my thoughts to it.
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Just because you can "do" something and have a set of skills etc that doesn't mean you can teach it, very often those that are good at something don't fully understand why they are better than others at it.
I was taught to teach a particular sport as a volunteer; I then moved into coach developement and how to improve other coaches so that their pupils improved. Then 10 years later I was taught to teach people to teach. I've then used my ability to teach and educate people in engineering skills based on my day job. I've since used the skills I obtained in the voluntry sector to mentor professionsal such as medical doctors to improve their performance in the work place.
In order to teach and coach you need to understand where you student sits on a number of skills/abilities, but you also need to idnetify their learning style, what works for them. Some people need a very practical application of skills, some need a highly technical understanding which they can then impliment. Using the wrong methodology with the wrong student usually results in poor results , frustration and poor results.
Therefore selection of a mentor/teacher is more about their abilities to undersatnd and work with you and less about the skills you are trying to develope. A good mentor will be able to improve any skills with a relatively limited knowledge of the subject.
In reality you can do a lot of research yourself and improve your understading. Whether you can improve without the use of an external mentor will be down to how good you can reflect on your own performance and understanings.
I was taught to teach a particular sport as a volunteer; I then moved into coach developement and how to improve other coaches so that their pupils improved. Then 10 years later I was taught to teach people to teach. I've then used my ability to teach and educate people in engineering skills based on my day job. I've since used the skills I obtained in the voluntry sector to mentor professionsal such as medical doctors to improve their performance in the work place.
In order to teach and coach you need to understand where you student sits on a number of skills/abilities, but you also need to idnetify their learning style, what works for them. Some people need a very practical application of skills, some need a highly technical understanding which they can then impliment. Using the wrong methodology with the wrong student usually results in poor results , frustration and poor results.
Therefore selection of a mentor/teacher is more about their abilities to undersatnd and work with you and less about the skills you are trying to develope. A good mentor will be able to improve any skills with a relatively limited knowledge of the subject.
In reality you can do a lot of research yourself and improve your understading. Whether you can improve without the use of an external mentor will be down to how good you can reflect on your own performance and understanings.
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yes coaching skills are key.
learning style can be important.
personality preferences also.
particular burn of the issue or aim too
But similarly if a coach doesnt have domain skills, if they cant do the area to use your verbiage, then theyre limited in providing essential input as a coach from my experience. Ive been with highly paid supposed to be excellent people here and the return is mediocre. This is my particular field experience and im no oracle but one i share with many successful professionals.
Most coaching models contains a domain and a skillset in a domain or field which for example is needed in the educational part of the coachs role when advicing on particular capabilities and areas of engagement. same with others incl, mentoring and the likes. And when devising tactics or strategies. That part i have a hard time seeing someone provide much weight within without domain expertise by only driving the persons on thinking and resolve only provides for so much. Reference experience is an important key to even understand where the one being coached is at.
ofc there could be different types of coaching.
Am im missing something? Truly curious to your and other peoples experience here and angles...
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Think of coaching as a cheat code in a video game. Coaching is an investment. However right now you are looking at coaching as an expense. I recommend starting with changing your mindset to seeing coaching as a long term investment.
Which is better?
$1,500 to $20,000 in a brand new car (while still sucking with women), being overweight, and living paycheck to paycheck.
Or
$1,500 to $20,000 in seduction/financial/fitness coaching. Lets say you go on to make 6 figures or bang 12+ girls per year (or find a love of your life), get a 6 pack in record time.
Which looks like a better option? Successful people invest first, dine later.
One caveat though. Not all coaches are good. And not all coaches who are good, will be a good fit for you. I recommend spending some time researching for a good coach. Alek is a good coach on here. I dont work for GirlsChase or anything so I gain nothing from telling you the truth here.
Remember something is only "expensive" if the value is equivalent or less to what you paid for it. Here's my challenge to you @Bigjo . Take 30-60 days to think it through. Go to the GirlsChase Subscription page
www.girlschase.com
Sign up for a month plan and attempt to invest 2-4 hours per day reading the articles. Learn GirlsChase inside and out. Dont skip any days. If at the end of 30 days you find that you could not commit to that low investment of $21.95, then I would recommend working on developing strong consciousness habits first.
Hiring a coach is half the battle. The other half is being willing to do the work.
Which is better?
$1,500 to $20,000 in a brand new car (while still sucking with women), being overweight, and living paycheck to paycheck.
Or
$1,500 to $20,000 in seduction/financial/fitness coaching. Lets say you go on to make 6 figures or bang 12+ girls per year (or find a love of your life), get a 6 pack in record time.
Which looks like a better option? Successful people invest first, dine later.
One caveat though. Not all coaches are good. And not all coaches who are good, will be a good fit for you. I recommend spending some time researching for a good coach. Alek is a good coach on here. I dont work for GirlsChase or anything so I gain nothing from telling you the truth here.
Remember something is only "expensive" if the value is equivalent or less to what you paid for it. Here's my challenge to you @Bigjo . Take 30-60 days to think it through. Go to the GirlsChase Subscription page
Subscribe to Girls Chase
Pick any plan, and pay just 99¢ the first month Monthly $21.95/month Billed monthly Unlimited access to GirlsChase.com See details Choose plan Quarterly $18.65/month Billed $55.95 quarterly Unlimited access to GirlsChase.com See details Choose plan Annually $16.45/month Billed $197.40 yearly...
www.girlschase.com
Sign up for a month plan and attempt to invest 2-4 hours per day reading the articles. Learn GirlsChase inside and out. Dont skip any days. If at the end of 30 days you find that you could not commit to that low investment of $21.95, then I would recommend working on developing strong consciousness habits first.
Hiring a coach is half the battle. The other half is being willing to do the work.
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Totally agree with that but, how about rapport, how do you develop rapport with your dating coach?Think of coaching as a cheat code in a video game. Coaching is an investment. However right now you are looking at coaching as an expense. I recommend starting with changing your mindset to seeing coaching as a long term investment.
Which is better?
$1,500 to $20,000 in a brand new car (while still sucking with women), being overweight, and living paycheck to paycheck.
Or
$1,500 to $20,000 in seduction/financial/fitness coaching. Lets say you go on to make 6 figures or bang 12+ girls per year (or find a love of your life), get a 6 pack in record time.
Which looks like a better option? Successful people invest first, dine later.
One caveat though. Not all coaches are good. And not all coaches who are good, will be a good fit for you. I recommend spending some time researching for a good coach. Alek is a good coach on here. I dont work for GirlsChase or anything so I gain nothing from telling you the truth here.
Remember something is only "expensive" if the value is equivalent or less to what you paid for it. Here's my challenge to you @Bigjo . Take 30-60 days to think it through. Go to the GirlsChase Subscription page
Subscribe to Girls Chase
Pick any plan, and pay just 99¢ the first month Monthly $21.95/month Billed monthly Unlimited access to GirlsChase.com See details Choose plan Quarterly $18.65/month Billed $55.95 quarterly Unlimited access to GirlsChase.com See details Choose plan Annually $16.45/month Billed $197.40 yearly...
Sign up for a month plan and attempt to invest 2-4 hours per day reading the articles. Learn GirlsChase inside and out. Dont skip any days. If at the end of 30 days you find that you could not commit to that low investment of $21.95, then I would recommend working on developing strong consciousness habits first.
Hiring a coach is half the battle. The other half is being willing to do the work.
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I've seen many guys get a ton out of coaching. I have also seen guys get very little out of it. The two parts of it are the coach and the student.
On the coach's side, it's as @Glow notes:
A guy who gets laid twice a month but is good at teaching it will tend to make for a better coach for most (non-advanced) students than a guy who gets laid double that but doesn't know how to teach. By the same coin, a guy who's a terrific teacher but terrible with girls is obviously going to be a non-starter, at least for seduction.
Once you get pretty good with girls, the calculus shifts on that former example though, as you are able to learn just by watching a guy in action or picking his brain with pointed questions and don't necessarily need him to be a good coach... so if you're already an expert, that 4+ lays-a-month guy who's bad at teaching it is typically going to be a better guy to observe, study, and model yourself after than the good-teacher-2-lays-a-month guy, whose level you've perhaps already surpassed.
On the student's side, you need a couple of things:
I've done a lot of coaching and had a bunch of mentors in whatever fields I've studied. I always see lots of gains from it, and it's easy for me to compare fields I've totally self-taught vs. fields I've had coaches, teachers, and mentors, and point to far more rapid progression in the latter fields. e.g., I totally self-taught myself music in college, and it took me 4 years to get reasonably good (and actually I can't even say that... I had piano lessons for five years in primary school, so actually I already had a base of coaching informing my music later on). On the other hand, with good teachers and mentors in seduction and sales, I had results I was pretty satisfied with within a year or so, and progress after that came fairly fast. In both those fields I have long felt like coaching and mentors shaved a decade off my learning curve.
If there's a field I want to learn and I don't have a mentor in it or can't find a good coach in it, I always feel like I'm stuck doing things the really hard, long, slow way until I can fix that situation. And generally once you have a good coach or mentor things pick up a lot... or at least do for me.
The flip side of that is coaching is not for everyone. I have watched students leave pickup bootcamps over the years (several of them) after deciding that flirting with girls in bars or on the street was simply not for them. I don't know how they intended to meet women otherwise, because they didn't say (I guess online or through friends), but there was clearly a wall of mental resistance they had there that they could not break through, nor could the coach. They came out to training, maybe seeing if they might be able to get through it, then decided that, nope, this is not for me.
I have also seen students who have taken multiple trainings with different teachers and companies but who did little practice in between and hadn't really made any progress. They seemed to be relying on the coaching to somehow gift them totally formed skills or mindsets... whereas what coaching is about is more opening you up to possibilities, correcting mistakes you are making in practice, and pointing you in the proper direction, to speed your progress -- but you still need to walk down that direction and make attempts and experience mistakes to make that progress.
If you have the right mindset and motivation for it, good coaches and/or mentors are the greatest boon you will experience in any field of study.
If you lack that mindset or motivation, coaches/mentors may just end up being another waste of time and possibly waste of money (if you're paying for it). I have even seen students who paid for coaching, did what the coach asked, then went out after and reverted to their old ways, while still saying they thought the coach's stuff was better, they just couldn't get themselves to do it.
There's a certain kind of open-mindedness I think you need to have to get the most out of coaching.
You also really need to be able to set your own resistances and preconceptions aside... if that's too hard, it's probably not going to go well, because all coaching really is is taking the mentalities and experiences of someone else into yourself and making the effort to adopt/absorb them.
Chase
On the coach's side, it's as @Glow notes:
- Is he good at the skill itself?
- Is he good at teaching the skill?
A guy who gets laid twice a month but is good at teaching it will tend to make for a better coach for most (non-advanced) students than a guy who gets laid double that but doesn't know how to teach. By the same coin, a guy who's a terrific teacher but terrible with girls is obviously going to be a non-starter, at least for seduction.
Once you get pretty good with girls, the calculus shifts on that former example though, as you are able to learn just by watching a guy in action or picking his brain with pointed questions and don't necessarily need him to be a good coach... so if you're already an expert, that 4+ lays-a-month guy who's bad at teaching it is typically going to be a better guy to observe, study, and model yourself after than the good-teacher-2-lays-a-month guy, whose level you've perhaps already surpassed.
On the student's side, you need a couple of things:
- The student must be sold on whatever method the teacher is teaching, or at least open to being sold on it
- The student must want to succeed enough that he will continue to implement the teachings post-lesson
- The student must come in with a reasonably open mind and be willing to set aside preconceptions and do as instructed
I've done a lot of coaching and had a bunch of mentors in whatever fields I've studied. I always see lots of gains from it, and it's easy for me to compare fields I've totally self-taught vs. fields I've had coaches, teachers, and mentors, and point to far more rapid progression in the latter fields. e.g., I totally self-taught myself music in college, and it took me 4 years to get reasonably good (and actually I can't even say that... I had piano lessons for five years in primary school, so actually I already had a base of coaching informing my music later on). On the other hand, with good teachers and mentors in seduction and sales, I had results I was pretty satisfied with within a year or so, and progress after that came fairly fast. In both those fields I have long felt like coaching and mentors shaved a decade off my learning curve.
If there's a field I want to learn and I don't have a mentor in it or can't find a good coach in it, I always feel like I'm stuck doing things the really hard, long, slow way until I can fix that situation. And generally once you have a good coach or mentor things pick up a lot... or at least do for me.
The flip side of that is coaching is not for everyone. I have watched students leave pickup bootcamps over the years (several of them) after deciding that flirting with girls in bars or on the street was simply not for them. I don't know how they intended to meet women otherwise, because they didn't say (I guess online or through friends), but there was clearly a wall of mental resistance they had there that they could not break through, nor could the coach. They came out to training, maybe seeing if they might be able to get through it, then decided that, nope, this is not for me.
I have also seen students who have taken multiple trainings with different teachers and companies but who did little practice in between and hadn't really made any progress. They seemed to be relying on the coaching to somehow gift them totally formed skills or mindsets... whereas what coaching is about is more opening you up to possibilities, correcting mistakes you are making in practice, and pointing you in the proper direction, to speed your progress -- but you still need to walk down that direction and make attempts and experience mistakes to make that progress.
If you have the right mindset and motivation for it, good coaches and/or mentors are the greatest boon you will experience in any field of study.
If you lack that mindset or motivation, coaches/mentors may just end up being another waste of time and possibly waste of money (if you're paying for it). I have even seen students who paid for coaching, did what the coach asked, then went out after and reverted to their old ways, while still saying they thought the coach's stuff was better, they just couldn't get themselves to do it.
There's a certain kind of open-mindedness I think you need to have to get the most out of coaching.
You also really need to be able to set your own resistances and preconceptions aside... if that's too hard, it's probably not going to go well, because all coaching really is is taking the mentalities and experiences of someone else into yourself and making the effort to adopt/absorb them.
Chase
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Totally agree with what you say, but what is your opinion on compatibility or rapport how do you realise that a coach is worth investing based only the factor of compatibility plus the coach sometimes happened to be in an another country that makes it difficult and increases the chances of misunderstanding. So how do you asses if the coach is right for you just based on COMPATIBILITY. And say if I were to hire one of the coaches off GC, what process should I use to select the right coach?
