How not to buy girls frame of I want a friendship first and what to do if you have brought it

[empath]

I generally end up meeting girls with low count or virgin, I don't upfront.

Sometimes they act like an angel say they haven't been in relationship or her family/ friends are pushing her to date.

Now I don't know if they are virgin or not.

But if a girl seems Iike she is risk averse or cautious.

I end up buying her frame, when I ask her home come she has not been with someone.

She says they wanted something casual and she was not looking for it.

I probe more and she says she thinks friendship is a good foundation for a relationship.


Now 1) what to do if you end up buying this frame, how to get back on track for fast seduction

2) how to not buy in this frame and treat it as soon as it arises

3) is there a Gambit to takle this?

Lastly is this girl actually looking for connection? Will date compression solve the problem?

If she is virgin and I end up building a lot of deep meaningful connection how to avoid post sex buyers remorse, what frames to set before sex?

 

[OldGuy]

Triendship is a good foundation for a relationship. Just don't get stuck on building a friendship instead of a sexual relationship.
Deep diving is a tool for building friendship, but you should also be building compliance and using sex talk and touch to build arousal. You are looking for her to feel a budding friendship that became sex (on the first date).

 

[empath]

Triendship is a good foundation for a relationship. Just don't get stuck on building a friendship instead of a sexual relationship.
Deep diving is a tool for building friendship, but you should also be building compliance and using sex talk and touch to build arousal. You are looking for her to feel a budding friendship that became sex (on the first date).

Well issue I am having is after she throws this frame, I end up assuming that girl is very naive or innocent or inexperienced.

Then I end up going in a social mode with her and not use tech or touch for ramping up arousal basically I want to take things slow with her not mess up

This goes against moving fast

 

[Chase]

Then I end up going in a social mode with her and not use tech or touch for ramping up arousal basically I want to take things slow with her not mess up

Then start using tech and touch with girls like this.

Problem solved.

-C

 

[empath]

Then start using tech and touch with girls like this.

Problem solved.

-C

1st issue is delivering tech it just feels weird to make sexual innuendo, while talking about dreams and all or normal stuff like movie etc. let alone be delivering a sex talk or story.

Especially if this is someone inexperienced.

So for example if I know she is experienced give me this bs. I would just laugh at her and say local saying in my language or something else so she know I am not buying it

Example:


She: I don't do hooks anymore or I really need go on 5 dates know a person etc

Me: After killing/eating 100 mice, the cat goes on a pilgrimage

Smiling

Then change the topic - this cheesecake is soo yum yk I had something similar toh xyz place blah blah blah.

So, I have not brought into her frame and then I can deliver my materials after 15-20 minutes

Now an inexperienced girl

Me: how has been your dating experience on this app
She: I wanted Different things but people here just want hook ups

Me: yeah that's true ... Before this app anything in college?

She: No nothing as such, actually my mom/friends asked me to go on dates

I don't want anything fast though

A good friendship is required

I Cut this thread I know I can't handle this treat at my skill level so talk about movie or something

Now if I suddenly try go for sex talk say

After 15 minutes I know how to read plam

She ok read my hand

Me: you have very good venus, u will be very kinky or ur fantasies are wild etc.

I feel she might react in some bad way or think I am just there for sex while she wants a relationship.

Chances for 2nd date ruined if she thinks I am sleezy

Especially because she ended up setting you are such a good guy kind of frames and i did not challenged them or atleast communicated I have not brought them (ex. I could have said don't be in hurry get to know me first with a sly smile)



I will meet her soon but I think old school romance, deep connection and short dates under 30-45 min until she is comfortable with me, this will be better but I really want to do this quickly because I fear more dates I go on more she will poke me and see chinks in my armour not the cool guy she thought me I am

 

[empath]

Had a date with a girl (hot one) she ended up coming directly to my room but again in initial conversation, she ended up mentioning her friends as sex addict and abnormal, she said she will never do it.

So, again i could not escalate with verbals

We focused on conversation about music, movies etc her relationship etc and I gave some perspective etc but could start any Sexual conversation

She was not coming near to me herself nor did she locked the eyes

How did i escalated, she pulled some lip balm i had it myself
then slowly compared feet sizes
Then hands but this was after building comfort nd she had to leave by then

Nd she seemed like someone with less experience one, she told me had one relationship only of 3 years

So it seemed very weird to ramp up fast and she left.

So, the question again is once she set a frame especially when she is not directly saying it but implying that she don't like casual sex

How to escalate in these scenarios fast?

Any routine or gambit someone have here?