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How to Continue Through Determination?

Ken

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In PUA Lingo, Beginner's Hell as "The first 6 months of getting into the game and the difficulty of the learning curve that affects most guys." Well, it's been more than six months, in fact almost a year since I started doing Pickup (if those are the right words to use). I feel like I'm still in Beginner's Hell. I haven't been on a date with a girl, and I haven't had a girl that I Cold Approached give me her number or said yes when I asked her out on a date. Most of the time, when I Cold Approach a girl, they fizzle out after I introduce myself or before I can ask them out.

I'm not posting this so I can complain about why I'm not getting what I want. In fact, I hate complaining and whining, but I felt that this was needed. So, I ask, how do I continue with pickup and get out of the Beginner's Hell?
 

Skid

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Hey man ,

I totally feel your pain. I feel like 6 month rule you mentioned only applies to people who started with average or maybe above average social skills. Some of the guys on here got into pickup after being married and divorced so they had the basics and knew many many things subconsciously. Then there is me : when I got into pickup I had zero experience with women I'd never had a conversation in person that lasted more than 30 seconds. In my first year of cold approach I got one date in total. I suspect you might be in a similar boat. Some things that helped me stick with it and not wash out were:

-Breaks : if you ever feel like your ego is just totally destroyed and crushed take a break for abit take a week or 2 off. I escaped into video games and then got back into it after my emotions had healed (maybe not the healthiest way to distract myself but it worked)

- Read regularly and try your best to find articles here that relate to your problem : there is pretty much at least one for everything. When I was feeling like you are describing now this article really helped me : https://www.girlschase.com/content/what- ... o-you-give .

I was really determined not to be one of the guys that washed out. I had a choice between trying to be good with girls or going back to sitting at home and crying because I didn't have a gf. I wanted it so bad - I wanted to be the guy that girls get excited about and think about at night. Yeah , true you can't affect every girl like that but I'd rather make a negative impression than none at all. And if you want it bad enough you will stick with it.

As far as what you can actually do to improve. You really need to carefully look at what is happening to you and try and relate to to things you've read field reports can help you here.

Here is a summary of how my learning has sort of worked over time:

I'm going to assume you've worked on your fundamentals , from what you've described here girls are not hooking at all or showing interest. The biggest thing I've realized when first starting cold approach is that girls really fear awkward (or threatening) interactions with men approaching them. And when you first say hi to her in 3 seconds she makes a judgement on whether this is going to be awkward (or dangerous) or not.

First thing remember to smile warmly (makes you friendly so she isn't scared and puts her at ease) - don't show teeth that can freak people out if you smile huge when you are talking to a stranger.

The first BIG thing you need to work on in seduction is your social skills sometimes its looked over but you NEED decent social skills - FORGET trying to seduce her just have a slightly fun and normal conversation. Once you can talk with a girl from a cold approach for 5-10 minutes on a semi regular basis without a large presence of awkwardness THEN you can move on. How do you do this? Create a conversation frame work for yourself as a safety net (Ie After I say hi to a girl I'm going to ask her if she has run anybody over with that crazy walking pace THEN I'm going to ask what she so s doing to make her walk so fast ). Also don't forget to make statements or share your opinion on things she says its quite easy to keep asking questions then run out of questions to ask. You need to add value to a conversation with statements / stories and then take value by asking questions.

Now later on in your career in seduction you will learn that really good reactions (girls laughing and flirting with you CAN be bad signs) however for now GO GET THOSE REACTIONS. Try to make girls laugh tease them etc. Say hey I saw you walking and you gave me a funny look (cheeky smile) - Hey I saw you and you looked very lonely . Poke fun at girls like you would your siblings or close friends.

Once you've got this down the start working on trying to get compliance from girls and show intent (direct openers , use sexy smile , strong eye contact). Ask them to move to the side so you aren't in peoples way . Ask her if you can see the book she's reading and so on. This and your fundamentals are the two things that will "hook" girls and they will show interest. However they are meaningless without the social skills needed to carry a conversation.

Then you can work on identifying when girls show interest in you (being excited/shy) and signals they give to show they like you like investing in you asking questions being impressed genuinely and also during this time you can work on moving her or making other transitions (like asking her home) when she does these things that show interest in you. Chase's latest article on signs girls are a waste of time is easily my favorite for this topic , his flirty girl one is good too.

Hopefully it helps you dude , good luck!

Skid
 
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