How to differentiate attainability problems from value ones?

[Iceman]

Am I facing attainability problems or value ones?
Deciding if you’re having an attainability problem or value one, as a beginner is a big problem. I bet you also remember constantly telling yourself damn it shouldn’t have said that, too cheesy, too aloof, too needy or whatever it is. I have had trouble understanding situations that I am in.
Situations I had In college:
Girl 1 Pigeon(cause she has big eyes): In college cafeteria heard a girl talk(sexy voice) saw she was pretty (had seen her before too checking me out and when I turned to look at her she looked away and smiled to herself). When she was walking my way alone stopped her and told her that her voice is amazing. She said thank you. I asked her ‘Single?’ she said I was none of my concern in an uppity/princess way and walked away. I just laughed. Asked her couple of times more to come with me. She was polite now but still said she was too busy go anywhere.

Girl 2 Was all romantic with this one. Complimenting her always asked her out but didn’t take her anywhere thinking that I was being needy. Next thing you know. She gives me looks of disgust and flirts with another guy.

Girl 3 saw a girl (also a girl giving me strong eye contact for days) dancing with some loser in college. Went straight to her and asked if she is single? She said yes asked if she would like to get coffee sometime she said after she’s done dancing she had just started. But didn’t talk to her for about a month even though she kept looking at me. Then told her I didn’t because I was nervous I hope she is not pissed she said no she was not. Asked her another time when her guy friend was there if she even wanted to go and that I am cool if she doesn’t and said I’ll find some other girl she laughed and said no (Now in retrospect shouldn’t have asked her that in front of that moron). I thought I was a value problem but when I saw her later she was giving me angry looks am unsure now.

Would like to hear your views/opinions

 

[Danutzz]

You are going to have low attainability issues when your fundamentals aren't right. For the long term solution, work on your fundamentals and highlight exotic, colorful parts of your value. Short term, be more challenging (intrigue, screening, teasing, flirting etc etc). You are going to work to see for yourself where that "right balance" of attainability is .

Good luck brother

 

[Cacc]

You're showing interest in these girls and not doing anything about it. That's the issue

 

[Michal]

Hi,

I can tell only when I already interacted with the girl. Once I am more experienced I bet I could tell just from the way the girl looks at me.

When the problem is value, there will be certain, kind of unique level of respect missing AND she will not care about you as a person that much. Also it will feel like you are in some kind of barrier and you dont have much room to navigate. But because it is about shown value and not actual value, you can push this barrier closer or further with your behaviour. However, sometimes, having shit fundamentals automatically places you in "too low value" box for her and there will be limited opportunities for you to show her your true value. Just think about a girl who was never attracted to you. She treats you very differently than a girl who is attracted to you, because to her, you do not possess any mating value.

When the attainability is the issue, it seems the girl has something like "I am pretty cool myself" attitude. Because at first she views you as above her so she tries to do things that would project higher value. Maybe I am wrong about this part but high value people come across as less attainable. So when someone is too attainable, they are usually lower value, so they incorporate things and techniques that lower their attainability because it suggests high value. An example is being busy, which means the person emulates that by taking long times to reply.

 

[Greco]

Focus on your fundamentals to make sure some girls are attracted
(fascinated as noted on the article https://www.girlschase.com/content/attraction-either-there-or-it-isnt to you . )

Do things without chasing but also try to express your interest (with a compliment so she knows what you may want).
With enough exposure you'll start to learn when you need to persist and up your attainability. It's better to err on the side of low I guess.

That's what I try to do anyway.

Cheers.