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Guys have been requesting for me to do a mini guide on this, so here we go:
So what is flirting:
"Flirting or coquetry is a social and sexual behavior involving spoken or written communication, as well as body language, by one person to another, either to suggest interest in a deeper relationship with the other person, or if done playfully, for amusement."
behave as though attracted to or trying to attract someone, but for amusement rather than with serious intentions.
"it amused him to flirt with her"
So guys in my time of the community(10-15years) it sadness me the lack of good "banter, wittiness, flirtiness" I have been in chats were there have been women(community women in couple of different forums), and i have seen guys in the community trying to flirt/even get onitis through chat, and i noticed they are beyond horrible/pathetic when chatting with women via chats.... I have also seen audio, field reports, text screenshots, YouTube, in person meeting community dudes and now speed dating (pwf has a bunch of coaches doing speed dating, is the sadness most pathetic, embarrassing display of game i have ever seen in my life, sad is an understatement is beyond horrible, these are famous pua coaches, no wonder why we have the blackpill saying pick up is a scam, i dont blame them after watching so much patheticness)...
^ I have also realized why i may have been wrong about text to meet does not work vs my style open>banter/flirt/second gen/sext etc.. >at high point soft close>hard close in texting.... It saddens me that most guys think flirting/banter is some type of normal convo about work, life, sports, places, rapport seeking convos.... Also i have seen even guys advance in second gen. that misunderstood what i advocate to do on second gen. via text and go into some type of Shakespearean feelings poetry flowery texting and totally think, this is second gen via text is pathetic and horrible( i saw many members try this and i kept quiet years later never worked).... (more on this later)
So guys bare with me i need to write a lot, but you know me, i will make it interesting and practical so give me a few, this apply to all games from online, texting, day game, night game etc...
In any game medium no matter what it is we have stages in games we have opening> hooking> compliance/micro escalations/arousal/second gen etc..> then close... this does not matter much if you disagree or nitpick just making a point.... Ideally you want to flirt after the hook point in person and texting, obviously depending on situation/goal and how risk adverse you are, you can flirt faster in other stages.
My thinking and mental masturbation theory is "oh shit this girl is talking to me/texting therefore i don't want to risk it" but you are actually making a self fulfilling prophesy, there are ways to minimize the risk... Again the goal of flirting, banter, innuendos etc... is to gauge reactions by gauging reactions you know were you are in the seduction, so is actually super low risk vs playing it safe and then out of the blue show intent is going to cause asd/flakiness cause she will be confused "oh he has a dick he wants me, he is not my platonic friend/gay friend"
So lets get practical the main point of banter/flintiness is that it has to be MAN TO WOMEN, let me repeat it MAN TO WOMAN, one more time MEN TO WOMEN.
so skills how do you know a conversation is MAN TO WOMEN. Good question and i got you:
^ there was a good seducer (vel rip mentor Yareally rip as well) that used to say if you can have a conversation with me (a dude) then is not man to woman. I will expand to your mom, boss, sister, minister, teacher.
So i will give you samples on in person and text MAN TO WOMEN samples and concepts (i may be leaving some out, if i think of them will edit or add):
1.- Chase frames.- Going to give you an example of chase framing in person and in text so you get the idea
This is sample of what happened to me in person:
Me: ordering a pizza
Hot babe Blonde: she is next to me in the cashier ordering a pizza as i am getting my 2 slices and paying.
HbBlonde: Order and says, i am sorry to me, and tell the dude she will wait for me to pay. (she is just being polite, but i am fucking evil)
Me: Talking to the cashier, see how she came to hit on me, that is how women do it.
HbBlonde: what you are delusional i am not hitting on you.
Me: yea right, and you even order a chesse pizza which is what i am having, i am telling you guys that how women hit on guys they like.
HbBlonde: The guy is the one that is suppose to hit on the girl if you want me to hit on you and makes you feel better i hit on you. ( at this point i know i got her)
sample in text:
hb: diesel!
me: let me fix that for you(now i going to pretend i am her texting to me): "hi diesel this is Kelly you have been on my mind lately and i kind of miss you and wanted to say hi" better...
me: aww! kelly so sweet i miss you 3 (instead of too/2 the number 3)
2.- Sexual jokes grandmaster style.- I have a post, videos a million texts on this tired of repeating, forget about the original gm style, use mine is a million times better the dude that brought it to the community never got laid using gm, just anecdotal, and is all over the place is not good... However the theory legit...
example in person.- hb: who are you here with?
me: my best friend
hb: really, where is he?
me: grab my crouch and say right here....
example in text
hb: hey diesel what is up?
me: i would say my pipi, but that would be rude, how are you Carla, i kind of miss you! have you miss me?
hb: yes!
me: and where were your fingers when you did?
3.- sexual innuendos
example in person
hb: do you have any kids?
Me: I always pull out on time, my timing is impeccable, here i act like i am having sex with the air and as i am about to cum i jump back and with my hand say nah nah nah ----> this is something i do automatic every time if it comes during banter...
in text
hb: when are you coming?
me: i am Cumming around 6 pm (misspelled coming on purpose)
4.- sex talk.- I am tired of explaining to learn from teevester the 2 types of men, maddona whore complex and the 8 orgasms... Or any of teevester routines and replicate in your own words the dude already broke it down like a baby... All of you that try to be cute with flower/Shakespeare crap and the rest of the stuff, there is no need to reinvent the wheel teevester already knows all that shit and put the concepts into routines(they are already part of them),...
In person you can read how i do it in any of my lay reports, in text you can see how i do it in almost a lot of my lay text reports....
You can also do sex addict the dream routine in text (a bunch of dudes in mpua forum got laid from it)
^ back to make this practical, be yourself but use the principals i am teaching you here, don't force stuff, don't be robotic= this is not practical i know so i will give you a format:
Let me give you topics that you need to learn and try to steer the conversation towards(i will give you links):
Seduction topics.- zodiac signs ,bdsm, tantra, Kamasutra, break ups (this is a really good topic learn my post with the links), fitness(super minimally), massages, social dynamics (chase articles in your own words), yoga(super minimally, nutrition (super minimally), relationships and managing relationship expectations, dah sex (indirectly sexual authority and knowledge aka teevester stuff alek rolstand from chase stuff)
nicknames: sexy nurse or _____ in the blank profession instead of her name, a hair color in a different language, for example rubia to a blonde in spanish, mami, mama, boo, sugar, babe, linda etc... (careful with the mami, mama stuff is for sample purposes some women hate that)..
Topics to avoid: bodily functions, religion, politics, red pill, abortion, rape, talking bad about anybody, tate, trump and etc...
^ you also don't want to plow, so you NEED TO HAVE NORMAL CONVOS, if not it will be awkward, so you have a bit of a normal convo, you insert minimal banter/flirting etc... what you are doing with this is GAUGING REACTIONS OR WHERE SHE IS AT (this is the theory behind grandmaster style), but you don't need to do grandmaster so indirectly in GOOD TASTE you are pinging in person and text for reactions, and you will calibrate accordingly.... I can not emphasize enough no plowing...
for example look how i have normal convos:
hb: who is that handsome dude you are talking to?...(probably me texting myself form her phone)
me: aww thank you diesel, maggie that was fun last night, i usually can not dance more than 3 songs with a girl all they want to do is grind all night, dancing with you a lot of fun, i did not get bored like i usuall y do...
hb: lol, yeah that was fun
me: so what are you up to, besides thinking of me and smiling?
hb: blah blah
so my format is cool unusual normal convo, indirectly hitting on her with something witti (gauging reactions), back to normal convo. etc.... It is never try hard, i don't plow on humor, I am always calibrating etc....
^ guys nothing is a 100% but this style vs normal convos is still high odds... here is sample of one of a million text i receive for critique, now i am going to edit a bit just in case for privacy and the reason for this post( and this is one of the better ones i receive total caca all the time of boring convos a million times worst like this to review, and the girls are still game which i don't get it)...
hb: lol! omg yay! i told you it was a binge worthy after the first 2 minutes. love that experience for you
pua: yeah! i am almost half way for season 1
hb: omg! same thing happened when i did it
pua: my subscription will expired soon, i need to hurry up and finish
hb: yeah you better watch as much as possible.
^ the convos go on and on and switch to other convos that are very plain vanilla about again ordinary life and events.... And the girls are texting back cause they are interested but no man to women anywhere, at times we highjacked and pretend to be them and text for them, and tell them to text men to women stuff, and women go crazy and flip like pancakes... Is funny to watch (usually we have to beg to text men to women cause they are not comfortable). At times i had guys going on my site and take my convos out of context, they copy and paste from my reports totally uncalibrated and still get laid....
in person pua sample just generic convos
in person pua sample with flirtiness this guys is my vibe and style even if not that good at day game is just to prove point of men to women...
Disclaimer.- A lot of guys that play with apps for example @topcat @TomInHo and @DoWhatWorks can follow format with minimal banter, even no flirting throw out,, cause the girls are already green from app or in person encounter super strong interactions, so they just need to open>super minimal banter>soft close>hard close... In apps a lot of you can also do that since the girl may be green already, the thing is those guys are top 20% centers, good fundamentals, good experience, good at game, not a lot of you guys are and will able to replicate, my point is you need to learn how to banter/flirt cause most of your girls will be yellow... Also the soft closing in itself is flirting, in other words finding creating ways to hint a meet is in itself man to women flirting......
So what is flirting:
"Flirting or coquetry is a social and sexual behavior involving spoken or written communication, as well as body language, by one person to another, either to suggest interest in a deeper relationship with the other person, or if done playfully, for amusement."
behave as though attracted to or trying to attract someone, but for amusement rather than with serious intentions.
"it amused him to flirt with her"
So guys in my time of the community(10-15years) it sadness me the lack of good "banter, wittiness, flirtiness" I have been in chats were there have been women(community women in couple of different forums), and i have seen guys in the community trying to flirt/even get onitis through chat, and i noticed they are beyond horrible/pathetic when chatting with women via chats.... I have also seen audio, field reports, text screenshots, YouTube, in person meeting community dudes and now speed dating (pwf has a bunch of coaches doing speed dating, is the sadness most pathetic, embarrassing display of game i have ever seen in my life, sad is an understatement is beyond horrible, these are famous pua coaches, no wonder why we have the blackpill saying pick up is a scam, i dont blame them after watching so much patheticness)...
^ I have also realized why i may have been wrong about text to meet does not work vs my style open>banter/flirt/second gen/sext etc.. >at high point soft close>hard close in texting.... It saddens me that most guys think flirting/banter is some type of normal convo about work, life, sports, places, rapport seeking convos.... Also i have seen even guys advance in second gen. that misunderstood what i advocate to do on second gen. via text and go into some type of Shakespearean feelings poetry flowery texting and totally think, this is second gen via text is pathetic and horrible( i saw many members try this and i kept quiet years later never worked).... (more on this later)
So guys bare with me i need to write a lot, but you know me, i will make it interesting and practical so give me a few, this apply to all games from online, texting, day game, night game etc...
In any game medium no matter what it is we have stages in games we have opening> hooking> compliance/micro escalations/arousal/second gen etc..> then close... this does not matter much if you disagree or nitpick just making a point.... Ideally you want to flirt after the hook point in person and texting, obviously depending on situation/goal and how risk adverse you are, you can flirt faster in other stages.
My thinking and mental masturbation theory is "oh shit this girl is talking to me/texting therefore i don't want to risk it" but you are actually making a self fulfilling prophesy, there are ways to minimize the risk... Again the goal of flirting, banter, innuendos etc... is to gauge reactions by gauging reactions you know were you are in the seduction, so is actually super low risk vs playing it safe and then out of the blue show intent is going to cause asd/flakiness cause she will be confused "oh he has a dick he wants me, he is not my platonic friend/gay friend"
So lets get practical the main point of banter/flintiness is that it has to be MAN TO WOMEN, let me repeat it MAN TO WOMAN, one more time MEN TO WOMEN.
so skills how do you know a conversation is MAN TO WOMEN. Good question and i got you:
^ there was a good seducer (vel rip mentor Yareally rip as well) that used to say if you can have a conversation with me (a dude) then is not man to woman. I will expand to your mom, boss, sister, minister, teacher.
So i will give you samples on in person and text MAN TO WOMEN samples and concepts (i may be leaving some out, if i think of them will edit or add):
1.- Chase frames.- Going to give you an example of chase framing in person and in text so you get the idea
This is sample of what happened to me in person:
Me: ordering a pizza
Hot babe Blonde: she is next to me in the cashier ordering a pizza as i am getting my 2 slices and paying.
HbBlonde: Order and says, i am sorry to me, and tell the dude she will wait for me to pay. (she is just being polite, but i am fucking evil)
Me: Talking to the cashier, see how she came to hit on me, that is how women do it.
HbBlonde: what you are delusional i am not hitting on you.
Me: yea right, and you even order a chesse pizza which is what i am having, i am telling you guys that how women hit on guys they like.
HbBlonde: The guy is the one that is suppose to hit on the girl if you want me to hit on you and makes you feel better i hit on you. ( at this point i know i got her)
sample in text:
hb: diesel!
me: let me fix that for you(now i going to pretend i am her texting to me): "hi diesel this is Kelly you have been on my mind lately and i kind of miss you and wanted to say hi" better...
me: aww! kelly so sweet i miss you 3 (instead of too/2 the number 3)
2.- Sexual jokes grandmaster style.- I have a post, videos a million texts on this tired of repeating, forget about the original gm style, use mine is a million times better the dude that brought it to the community never got laid using gm, just anecdotal, and is all over the place is not good... However the theory legit...
example in person.- hb: who are you here with?
me: my best friend
hb: really, where is he?
me: grab my crouch and say right here....
example in text
hb: hey diesel what is up?
me: i would say my pipi, but that would be rude, how are you Carla, i kind of miss you! have you miss me?
hb: yes!
me: and where were your fingers when you did?
3.- sexual innuendos
example in person
hb: do you have any kids?
Me: I always pull out on time, my timing is impeccable, here i act like i am having sex with the air and as i am about to cum i jump back and with my hand say nah nah nah ----> this is something i do automatic every time if it comes during banter...
in text
hb: when are you coming?
me: i am Cumming around 6 pm (misspelled coming on purpose)
4.- sex talk.- I am tired of explaining to learn from teevester the 2 types of men, maddona whore complex and the 8 orgasms... Or any of teevester routines and replicate in your own words the dude already broke it down like a baby... All of you that try to be cute with flower/Shakespeare crap and the rest of the stuff, there is no need to reinvent the wheel teevester already knows all that shit and put the concepts into routines(they are already part of them),...
In person you can read how i do it in any of my lay reports, in text you can see how i do it in almost a lot of my lay text reports....
You can also do sex addict the dream routine in text (a bunch of dudes in mpua forum got laid from it)
^ back to make this practical, be yourself but use the principals i am teaching you here, don't force stuff, don't be robotic= this is not practical i know so i will give you a format:
Let me give you topics that you need to learn and try to steer the conversation towards(i will give you links):
Seduction topics.- zodiac signs ,bdsm, tantra, Kamasutra, break ups (this is a really good topic learn my post with the links), fitness(super minimally), massages, social dynamics (chase articles in your own words), yoga(super minimally, nutrition (super minimally), relationships and managing relationship expectations, dah sex (indirectly sexual authority and knowledge aka teevester stuff alek rolstand from chase stuff)
nicknames: sexy nurse or _____ in the blank profession instead of her name, a hair color in a different language, for example rubia to a blonde in spanish, mami, mama, boo, sugar, babe, linda etc... (careful with the mami, mama stuff is for sample purposes some women hate that)..
Topics to avoid: bodily functions, religion, politics, red pill, abortion, rape, talking bad about anybody, tate, trump and etc...
^ you also don't want to plow, so you NEED TO HAVE NORMAL CONVOS, if not it will be awkward, so you have a bit of a normal convo, you insert minimal banter/flirting etc... what you are doing with this is GAUGING REACTIONS OR WHERE SHE IS AT (this is the theory behind grandmaster style), but you don't need to do grandmaster so indirectly in GOOD TASTE you are pinging in person and text for reactions, and you will calibrate accordingly.... I can not emphasize enough no plowing...
for example look how i have normal convos:
hb: who is that handsome dude you are talking to?...(probably me texting myself form her phone)
me: aww thank you diesel, maggie that was fun last night, i usually can not dance more than 3 songs with a girl all they want to do is grind all night, dancing with you a lot of fun, i did not get bored like i usuall y do...
hb: lol, yeah that was fun
me: so what are you up to, besides thinking of me and smiling?
hb: blah blah
so my format is cool unusual normal convo, indirectly hitting on her with something witti (gauging reactions), back to normal convo. etc.... It is never try hard, i don't plow on humor, I am always calibrating etc....
^ guys nothing is a 100% but this style vs normal convos is still high odds... here is sample of one of a million text i receive for critique, now i am going to edit a bit just in case for privacy and the reason for this post( and this is one of the better ones i receive total caca all the time of boring convos a million times worst like this to review, and the girls are still game which i don't get it)...
hb: lol! omg yay! i told you it was a binge worthy after the first 2 minutes. love that experience for you
pua: yeah! i am almost half way for season 1
hb: omg! same thing happened when i did it
pua: my subscription will expired soon, i need to hurry up and finish
hb: yeah you better watch as much as possible.
^ the convos go on and on and switch to other convos that are very plain vanilla about again ordinary life and events.... And the girls are texting back cause they are interested but no man to women anywhere, at times we highjacked and pretend to be them and text for them, and tell them to text men to women stuff, and women go crazy and flip like pancakes... Is funny to watch (usually we have to beg to text men to women cause they are not comfortable). At times i had guys going on my site and take my convos out of context, they copy and paste from my reports totally uncalibrated and still get laid....
in person pua sample just generic convos
in person pua sample with flirtiness this guys is my vibe and style even if not that good at day game is just to prove point of men to women...
Disclaimer.- A lot of guys that play with apps for example @topcat @TomInHo and @DoWhatWorks can follow format with minimal banter, even no flirting throw out,, cause the girls are already green from app or in person encounter super strong interactions, so they just need to open>super minimal banter>soft close>hard close... In apps a lot of you can also do that since the girl may be green already, the thing is those guys are top 20% centers, good fundamentals, good experience, good at game, not a lot of you guys are and will able to replicate, my point is you need to learn how to banter/flirt cause most of your girls will be yellow... Also the soft closing in itself is flirting, in other words finding creating ways to hint a meet is in itself man to women flirting......
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