How to restore dating power in friend zone

[Whiteheart]

Dear all,

How to properly handle friend zone (i.e. to avoid validating girl without getting anything in return)? Problem with friend zone is that women always win because:

• If guy flirts, teases, builds good rapport, tells interesting stories, etc. (game her), no matter how good conversation is, he just gives her free attention, entertainment, i.e. good emotions and she just goes away when she fills her reservoir. This is core and heart of friend zone, she has interactions with him when she wants and doesn’t when doesn’t want.
• If guy treats her like anybody else she just mentally confirms that he is boring person and she did right thing because she friend zoned him.
• If he ignores her during meeting that is rude, after all there are plenty male people who act the same and we don’t ignore them.

Majority of friend zones I saw are that woman wants some superficial acquaintance with guy. She just wants to have some engaging conversation when she accidentally run into him somewhere and then to leave. She doesn’t want that he texts her later or wants if he is has good texting game but doesn’t invite her on any form of date.

As I said problem is that women gets what she wants (attention, entertainment or proof that guy is boring and should be friend zoned) while man doesn’t get what he wants (date and sex). Seduction literature gives some advices how to get out of friend zone:

• Cut contact for a long time and return later with different tactics. From my experience this doesn’t work very well. First, because she already formed opinion about him. Also, she doesn’t want to date him (often even to receive his texts) and another opportunity is limited to accidental meeting somewhere.
• When you accidentally meet her somewhere, create arousal and situation to take her to bed. This is somewhat better but this usually can be done in parties when she is half drunk, you two are alone and there are not external disturbing factors. So there is quantity problem.

What are your experiences about friend zone? Did someone get out or how he got laid despite being friend zoned? And most important, how to equalize dating power when you are friend zoned? (She just wants superficial acquaintance which is normal thing and if you ignore her that is rude and if you treat her like anybody else that is boring). @Chase, help!

 

[Zoro]

Women don't friendzone men. Men do it to themselves. They allow themselves to follow her lead into a uncomfortable situation.

Simply put, if she is not interested, move on. Don't waste time on an unavailable girl.

Ironically, that's one of the best ways to turn around a friend-zone situation...

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If for some reason she is interested, but is saying she wants to stay platonic. Find out why and address it if possible.

I recently had that happen to me. I noticed she was putting the breaks on intimacy and I straight up told her I can't do that. I respect my time too much, and I have genuine desire for her, and it's not healthy for anyone to pretend otherwise.

For her, it was not an matter of attraction, but of trust. And so I worked on building trust. I also made sure she really could trust me, that meant asking myself if I could deliver on what she needed.

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The way it feels for me is like this:

"Hey I'm over here and doing this, you're welcome to join me and I would really like that. If you don't want to that is fine, but I'm going to continue on my way." In the case of her being interested but hesitate- "Hey I see you want to come along, but are hesitant about something, what is going on? Oh I see well we can address that/Oh well I'm sorry but I can't budge on that" Depending if her hang up is something you can address.

Friendzone guys are like this:

"Hey I like what you're doing over there, can I join? Hmm, I wish we could be more intimate, but I'll just continue to tag along for your ride and hopefully you will let me in."

Lots of unattractive things going on for friendzone guy.

Lacking:

• his own direction
• a world for her to come into
• leading
• dominance
• options

If you've read Chase's recent articles on How Women Tame Men, you'll see how friendzone guy is pretamed. An attractive guy is like a wild stallion, he already has his own plans, and he's not likely to be swayed away from them, though he may enjoy some company.

 

[trashKENNUT]

What are your experiences about friend zone? Did someone get out or how he got laid despite being friend zoned? And most important, how to equalize dating power when you are friend zoned? (She just wants superficial acquaintance which is normal thing and if you ignore her that is rude and if you treat her like anybody else that is boring). @Chase, help!

Too many.

Female subordinates be flirting with you but be aggressive and angry when you put them in their place. Privileges of the Supervisor. Accountability of a toddler.

that's not friendzone but something I experienced. And there's more. A lot actually.

Now... Power dynamics is not as easily solved with just an article, or a post by any Girlschase members. It also needs the other half, which is the context of the situation, and rank and hierarchy and processes.

TLDR:
I don't know. I can't answer it for now because I'm putting pieces together. Ever since I 'reach Superman level, mentally', I seem to be hyperaware about a lot of why this Woke-ism, exist.

z@c+