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Higher

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Omw back home from a puzzling short date.

Met her 2-3 weeks ago in the city. Shes a cute uni student. The initial interaction was very short and she gave me her number on her initiative. Weird already. She always replied very quickly and briefly to my texts and arranging the date was super easy. Thought ok, its never this easy but hey, she must be dtf.

So we met tonight at 8pm. She was wearing plain clothes and is the artist type. Quite interesting character. She really wanted to go someplace. I kept telling her, hey lets go to the place i had in mind (at the river), then we can bounce. However she insisted so much that we ended up were she wanted - a "quiet place that youll love". Already a mistake here on my part to follow her lead, but i thought fuck it, lets go.

So we sit in this secluded little courtyard, away from the crowd (in retrospect she maybe didnt want to be seen by people she might know). We chat a bit while i touch her arm, leg, ears and hair. Were on a bench, but she doesnt really lean back on it. Doesnt seem at ease, but we keep chatting. She draws really well and asks me to pose for her so that she can draw me on her notebook. I tell her, no thanks, not really into this. She says, fine.

At some point we talk about dating and she tells me, i have a particular approach to dating. I ask her to tell me, she tells me no, its personal. Hmm, suspicious.

Im not really feeling a good chemistry with this gal. Her attitude is in retrospect quite bad, i should have called her out on a couple disrespectful things she said, but in the moment i think to myself, were just like 30 mins in, ill have us bounce now and things will go better. However not too long after that she tells me, alright i gotta go, ill take you to the station.

This catches me a bit by surprise as it sounds like a very sudden decision, but i smile and say, dont worry, ill just go to X first and walk a bit, but you can go. She prob notices me closing up a bit and tells me, nooo lemme walk a bit with you, i didnt see X yet and im curious. So we walk a bit together and she asks me to teach her some words in my language, but its clear shes sorta tolerating me. I really wanna get her off my back now, so i decide to bid her farewell amicably and we part ways.

First thought was, maybe she took a better look at me and she saw im older than she recalled. Then i thought, hmm, if thats not the case, then whatever mistake i made musta been huge, as her decision to call the evening was really sudden.

Then i was like, wait a minute, what if shes a sugar baby? I usually tell girls im poor as soon as possible during the first meet. With this girl tho i only told her tonight, and indeed at one point she asked me, why are you poor?

No clue tho. Genuinely the weirdest date i ever had.

Any pointers from you gentlemen?
 
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Atlas IV

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At some point we talk about dating and she tells me, i have a particular approach to dating. I ask her to tell me, she tells me no, its personal. Hmm, suspicious.

Im not really feeling a good chemistry with this gal. Her attitude is in retrospect quite bad, i should have called her out on a couple disrespectful things she said, but in the moment i think to myself, were just like 30 mins in, ill have us bounce now and things will go better. However not too long after that she tells me, alright i gotta go, ill take you to the station.
If I had to guess, it sounds like she's socially inexperienced and/or has unresolved childhood trauma of some sort. That or she's just introverted and lives in her own head. Her leading the interaction like that is a sign she probably doesn't usually go on dates.

Then i was like, wait a minute, what if shes a sugar baby? I usually tell girls im poor as soon as possible during the first meet. With this girl tho i only told her tonight, and indeed at one point she asked me, why are you poor?
That seems unlikely to me. Sugar babies usually dress super sexy on the first date and/or prefer to meet somewhere fancy, not an empty courtyard at night... This girl just sounds plain weird.

I don't think you made any mistakes. In my experience, dates with oddball girls like this are usually a waste of time. They have chemistry with only a very specific kind of person - either a weirdo like them or someone who has a LOT of patience to get through to them.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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@Higher,

It sounds like she had different intentions than you did.

It will happen occasionally that you get dates with girls who want something from you but it isn't romance/sex. Sometimes they may just want someone to hang out with and talk to. If you're overseas they might want to practice their English. @PaulieFlyn10 has one where a girl wants him to give her business advice. A buddy of mine used to always get girls out on the pretense that he was going to advise them on their careers.

Normally on these dates you will get a "the vibe is off" feeling, because you will feel they want SOMETHING from you, but that what they want is not YOU (i.e., romance, sex, etc. with you). Whether you can still shag these girls or not depends on if they've made a decision about you or not yet: some of them decide in advance "I JUST want what I want from him, and am not interested in him like that" and are purely trying to extract value from you. In that case it's hard (but not impossible). Other times they aren't even thinking about what you want at all and are purely focused on their wants... so if you run a good date, use good game, and build up incidental touch, compliance, set sexual undertones throughout, etc., then handle logistics at the end, you stand a decent chance of laying them despite that not having been their original intention with you at all.

When it's the case that girls want something from you other than you, they tend to be more aggressive about pursuing/setting up the date and may try to handle more of the details. You are the one they are "courting" for whatever it is they want from you, so just like how you try to give a girl a good experience on a date before you shag her, they are trying to give you a good experience to get whatever they're after.

Maybe this girl wanted to draw you. Maybe she just wanted to talk.

On the date location -- try to figure that stuff out in advance. Better not to be haggling over who gets to pick the spot at the time the date starts.

First thought was, maybe she took a better look at me and she saw im older than she recalled. Then i thought, hmm, if thats not the case, then whatever mistake i made musta been huge, as her decision to call the evening was really sudden.

Then i was like, wait a minute, what if shes a sugar baby? I usually tell girls im poor as soon as possible during the first meet. With this girl tho i only told her tonight, and indeed at one point she asked me, why are you poor?

No clue tho. Genuinely the weirdest date i ever had.

Any pointers from you gentlemen?

Nah. You'll get thoughts like that: "I can tell she wants something, but not ME... but I don't know WHAT. What could it be? (!) Maybe she wants my money! Is she a whore?"

I had thoughts like that with a girl I approached in a foreign country who said she wanted to learn English (but every girl says this) and asked me for my number immediately, just like yours did, and then proposed meeting for coffee herself before I could even text her an icebreaker. The whole date she ate up the deep dives and told me all about herself, but she was unresponsive to both touch and chase framing/sexual topics. I couldn't figure out what her deal was. Her plans after the date fell through so I invited her to go watch a movie, took her up to my place, and Hail Mary'd a kiss with her after failing to get any kind of vibe going -- to my surprise, she went for it, and we shagged.

Later on (I kept seeing her -- she was really hot) it was bugging me and I asked her what was going on that day and why I felt like both when I approached her and on the date that she wasn't really attracted to me but wanted something else from me. She laughed and said she wasn't thinking about me like that at all... she JUST wanted to learn English + have someone to talk to because she was struggling at work and her roommate was awful and she was feeling lonely.

And I was like oh. That's pretty mundane.

Here this whole time I was trying to decide if she was a secret hooker or trying to scam me in some kind of long-con or some other nefarious plot.

(it didn't help that immediately before meeting her, I saved a buddy from some chicks who were indeed trying to scam us... he had no idea. Then I meet this chick who immediately asks for my number, then texts me on her own initiative to ask me out. Hmm!)

My radar kept telling me, "She wants something from you, but it isn't your body!" but it turned out to just be English lessons and a friendly ear.

(I told her, "Well, you got everything you wanted... plus a little something extra!" lol)

Chase
 

Higher

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@Atlas IV, @Michael Chief, @Chase,

Great feedback as usual from all of you. A few things I didn't think about.

She might indeed be problematic / autistic.

Or she might have been lonely and looking just to have a chat / draw people's faces. Indeed there were a few male portraits in her sketchbook - maybe that's what her "particular approach to dating" is!

She's definitely not an average gal - she's quite nerdy and has nerdy interests. Pretty cool and worth getting to know if it's not too much of a headache. And if the frame is non-platonic.

I always assume my vibe is enough to make it clear to girls what the deal is, and apparently it didn't work right from the start this time. Never had this happen before, but good to have this experience in the bag.

By the way, she reached out this morning thanking me for yesterday and sending me a blog article I might find interesting. I don't see much potential here, but I'll try to clear things up and see if she's down for a real date.

Thanks guys!
 
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Michael Chief

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At some point we talk about dating and she tells me, i have a particular approach to dating. I ask her to tell me, she tells me no, its personal. Hmm, suspicious.
Also, I just want to point out that this is a red flag.

You were on a date, right? You had the intention of dating/seducing her, and she was there on the date with you. Her "particular approach to dating" directly involves you. The fact that she was unwilling to divulge what this approach was when you were clearly a potentially involved party demonstrates that she isn't respecting your agency as a human being (and maybe needs to learn a thing or two about consent). If you're trying to buy something and ask the salesman a question about the sale, but they purposefully try to hide something from you, it's gonna ring some alarm bells.

"No, it's personal?" Well, at that point it's "personal" to you, too.

It's one thing if she doesn't tell you because it never came up, but this is something you asked her directly. Maybe it's because she's a manipulative psychopath or narcissist who objectifies everyone who isn't her. Maybe it's because she's autistic and doesn't know how to express empathy. Maybe she has a very avoidant attachment style that's stunting her communication skills.

Or maybe you're one of those "nice guys" who always hides his romantic/sexual interest, making every woman think that you're just trying to be friends instead of lovers, and it never occurred to her that this was a date. If that's the case, ignore all that other crap I said.
 

Higher

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Or maybe you're one of those "nice guys" who always hides his romantic/sexual interest, making every woman think that you're just trying to be friends instead of lovers.

Not at all.

I usually have a strong, intentful vibe on first meet and i compliment girls right after the opener, or at the latest (way less common and usually due to us being in a rush) right after the icebreaker - which was the case this time.

[3/19, 13:14] Ciao X ☀️ thanks again, found the place. Cool to meet a fellow jackrussel lover!
[3/19, 13:33] Hey! Thanks 🙂
[3/19, 13:33] Did you found X and Y?

[3/19, 13:51] Found Y, its really well hidden
X i didnt find (had to go back to my city)
[3/19, 13:51] Btw u have a cute smile, didnt tell u earlier
[3/19, 14:15] Thanks
[3/19, 14:49] Would love to grab a drink and chat sometime (dunno yet when tho)
[3/19, 15:02] I am now working in X
[3/19, 15:02] next time yes

[3/19, 15:32] Sure, i didnt mean today
Ill text u
Have fun
[3/19, 18:53] Thank you
[3/21, 16:27] Ciao ☀️ how are u cappuccino-lover?
[3/21, 20:52] Thanks
[3/21, 20:52] I am wonderful 🙂

[3/22, 09:47] You are wonderful 🙂
[3/22, 09:47] U like wine?
[3/22, 12:14] I don’t drink wine, but can make a good advertisement or picture 🙂
[3/22, 12:32] Ok ill stay out of ur pic 😜
Tonight or tomorrow?
[3/22, 12:35] Studying
[3/22, 12:35] busy
[3/22, 12:35] unfortunately
[3/22, 12:36] Let’s plan meeting after 3.04.2024

[3/22, 13:02] Cool, ill ping u after the 12 then X
Slay those exams and enjoy the we (she reacted with 👌)
[4/8, 10:40] Ciao X ☀️
[4/8, 10:49] Heyyyy
[4/8, 10:58] How are u? Passed those exams?
[4/8, 10:58] Yes
[4/8, 11:00] Awesome, gotta celebrate then
Im in X now, got back earlier then expected
Wanna go for a drink these days? (she reacted with ❤️)
[4/8, 11:01] Yes, sure
[4/8, 11:03] Cool, might do tonight too (she reacted with ❤️)
[4/8, 11:46] Where?
[4/8, 13:35] My city or ur city, depending on how adventurous u feel
Either way we could grab a drink and sit somewhere at the lake/river and chat (not the best frame here, shoulda told her, if i come to your city, drinks are on you)
[4/8, 13:36] My city
[4/8, 14:36] Cool X, ill be around and free at 8pm (she reacted with ❤️)
[4/8, 14:43] Ok
[4/8, 19:01] Let’s meet at 8 at X?

[4/8, 19:25] Yeah
[4/8, 19:43] Ill be here (gmaps link)
[4/8, 20:02] 5 m
[4/8, 20:02] I almost there

Lemme know your thoughts on these.

I concede that she might have missed my cues on first meet due to our interaction being very short (she was in a rush). And that my compliment might have been "weak" - again, first time this happens, but ok.

In any case, as soon as she experienced me one more time in person and fully tuned-in with touch, eye contact and proximity, and not fully giving in to her lead, i think she immediately realized what the real deal was. The "date" woulda lasted much longer than 30-40 min otherwise.

What struck me were her leading skills. She always wants people to follow her and do things her way. She makes requests and expects compliance. More than once there was tension between us because of this - as i said, i shoulda called her out on it openly instead of just resisting. But if thats not "game", i dunno what it is.

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[4/9, 10:55] Hey
[4/9, 10:56] Was nice to talk to you yesterday
[4/9, 10:56] (link) If you have a time make an audio what are you thinking about this article
[4/9, 10:57] it’s relevant to what you are doing

[4/9, 13:47] Hey, thanks
Look X, ure a cool gal, but i have the feeling ure looking for a platonic friend
If thats the case, nothing wrong with it but i cannot be one for u (wouldnt be genuine)
[4/9, 13:48] I see
[4/9, 13:48] No friendship then ok. Feel free 😇
[4/9, 13:49] Yes, that’s true. I am looking for friends now (i reacted with 👌)

So at least were clear now.
 
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Michael Chief

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Look X, ure a cool gal, but i have the feeling ure looking for a platonic friend
If thats the case, nothing wrong with it but i cannot be one for u (wouldnt be genuine)
Making more female friends is always advantageous. Imagine going out to the bars/clubs with a huge group of pretty girls and you're the only guy. Preselection on steroids. Just one of many benefits.

Alternatively, you could have used that as a chance to SOI. "I cannot be friends with you because of how attracted to you I am. I'd be flirting with you too much." Depends on your style, of course. I can't know what your vibe feels like since we never met in person, but yes, your compliment over text could definitely have just been taken platonically, too.
What struck me were her leading skills. She always wants people to follow her and do things her way. She makes requests and expects compliance. More than once there was tension between us because of this
I definitely would have been turned off by this, though.
 
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