FR I Keep Struggling to Overcome LMR

[TSRaven]

I keep struggling to overcome LMR. I had a girl over from Hinge to play pool and hangout last night.

When she came over we sat on the couch and talked for a few minutes. Then we played a few games of pool (vibing, flirting, and some touch sprinkled in).

At one point, I showed her how to properly hit the ball while guiding her through it (a good excuse to get physical).

At one point in our conversation, I made a joke about why Karens are the way they are (they suffer from GDD - Good Dick Deficiency). She laughed and agreed, which led into her mentioning that she had a friend that was asexual, which led into us talking about sex a bit more. Prior to this, she asked if I was spontaneous and I asked her if she was as well. We talked about some things we’ve done in the past that were spontaneous (non-sexual things).

After we finished playing pool we sat on the couch and started kissing. We did that off and on for a few minutes then I gave her a tour of my studio and led her to my bedroom afterwards.

We started kissing and I pulled her on top of me as we landed on my bed. We did this for a bit but any time I tried pulling her shirt off, I would get resistance. This would happen every time I tried pulling her shirt off. We would stop kissing from time to time and again, nothing.

She said that she wasn’t going to do anything past kissing. I told her that I wasn’t gonna make her do anything she wasn’t comfortable doing. She said that she wasn’t uncomfortable because she was already here. Whole time she was giving me bedroom eyes and we kissed some more. I mentioned at one point that I felt like she was trying to seduce me with her eyes (ofc she acted coy about it and tried to flip it on me).

We kissed some more and I got more resistance. She asked if she could get a “raincheck” on us sleeping together. I asked her what was on her mind because she said she was spontaneous. She said she was but wasn’t when it came to having sex (cap as hell).

She said we could hangout another time and asked if I was going to text her. I told her that I might or I might not, but I guess she’ll have to find out for herself and that that was a two-way street.

She said she had to leave because she had work early in the morning. (In our texts prior to her coming over, she said she was off the following day, so I knew that was a lie).

We got out of the bed and walked to the living room, but she still was giving me bedroom eyes as she was putting on her shoes and backpack. We kissed again and as she left and said we should do this again but if she didn’t see me again it was nice to meet me.

Unless she texts me wanting to hangout, I’m not texting her. Which I doubt she will tbh

The last four girls I’ve had come over have all given me LMR and I don’t know how to overcome this. Was there a better way to handle her objections or was this more of an escalation issue?

 

[Michael Chief]

I pretty much never got LMR after I started using what I called the "LMR vaccine." Check out the following excerpt from my book:

One form of verbal foreplay I like to do before we walk into my place, or anywhere we’re planning to have sex, is to tell her, with a sly smile, something along the lines of, “Just because we’re going here doesn’t mean I’m going to have sex with you.” I often joke that this is the only lie I ever tell women. However, it’s not necessarily a lie if you see it as teasing, building tension, or just another form of foreplay. It makes women more excited and anticipatory when they’re already turned on. It is sexual framing, after all. I have never not had sex with a woman after using this line right before going to someplace with a bed.

I would also like to note that this sort of sexual tension is often amplified by the fact that I am sincerely not attached to the outcome. I am not expecting sex, I am not desperate for sex, I am not pushing her to have sex, and I am completely fine if nothing physical happens. Sometimes, I feel too tired to have sex by that point, and sincerely communicate that I will probably not feel down to have sex and just want to cuddle. In such cases, women have initiated sex with me while we were in bed together pretty much every single time.

Basically, it's about flipping the script before she ever gets the chance to give you LMR, and it kind of challenges her to seduce you.

Sometimes you can achieve a similar effect just by verbally neutralizing any sexual pressure ahead of time. In my latest LR I told the girl "We don't have to have sex, but I want to invite you back to my place" near the end of the date.

You need to do this before she's turned on enough for ASD to kick in.

 

[TSRaven]

I pretty much never got LMR after I started using what I called the "LMR vaccine." Check out the following excerpt from my book:

Basically, it's about flipping the script before she ever gets the chance to give you LMR, and it kind of challenges her to seduce you.

Sometimes you can achieve a similar effect just by verbally neutralizing any sexual pressure ahead of time. In my latest LR I told the girl "We don't have to have sex, but I want to invite you back to my place" near the end of the date.

You need to do this before she's turned on enough for ASD to kick in.

Straight to the point and makes a whole lot of sense. I’ll be using this in the future for sure.

Thanks

 

[har777]

I keep struggling to overcome LMR. I had a girl over from Hinge to play pool and hangout last night.

When she came over we sat on the couch and talked for a few minutes. Then we played a few games of pool (vibing, flirting, and some touch sprinkled in).

At one point, I showed her how to properly hit the ball while guiding her through it (a good excuse to get physical).

At one point in our conversation, I made a joke about why Karens are the way they are (they suffer from GDD - Good Dick Deficiency). She laughed and agreed, which led into her mentioning that she had a friend that was asexual, which led into us talking about sex a bit more. Prior to this, she asked if I was spontaneous and I asked her if she was as well. We talked about some things we’ve done in the past that were spontaneous (non-sexual things).

After we finished playing pool we sat on the couch and started kissing. We did that off and on for a few minutes then I gave her a tour of my studio and led her to my bedroom afterwards.

We started kissing and I pulled her on top of me as we landed on my bed. We did this for a bit but any time I tried pulling her shirt off, I would get resistance. This would happen every time I tried pulling her shirt off. We would stop kissing from time to time and again, nothing.

She said that she wasn’t going to do anything past kissing. I told her that I wasn’t gonna make her do anything she wasn’t comfortable doing. She said that she wasn’t uncomfortable because she was already here. Whole time she was giving me bedroom eyes and we kissed some more. I mentioned at one point that I felt like she was trying to seduce me with her eyes (ofc she acted coy about it and tried to flip it on me).

We kissed some more and I got more resistance. She asked if she could get a “raincheck” on us sleeping together. I asked her what was on her mind because she said she was spontaneous. She said she was but wasn’t when it came to having sex (cap as hell).

She said we could hangout another time and asked if I was going to text her. I told her that I might or I might not, but I guess she’ll have to find out for herself and that that was a two-way street.

She said she had to leave because she had work early in the morning. (In our texts prior to her coming over, she said she was off the following day, so I knew that was a lie).

We got out of the bed and walked to the living room, but she still was giving me bedroom eyes as she was putting on her shoes and backpack. We kissed again and as she left and said we should do this again but if she didn’t see me again it was nice to meet me.

Unless she texts me wanting to hangout, I’m not texting her. Which I doubt she will tbh

The last four girls I’ve had come over have all given me LMR and I don’t know how to overcome this. Was there a better way to handle her objections or was this more of an escalation issue?

you are probably escalating too soon. I had a girl from Jakarta that I met in Bali and took her to my place on second date. she was delicious and I was needy and escalated too fast without pulling back and lost her. Build more comfort and rapport and go back to escalation.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

I keep struggling to overcome LMR.

The king of "almost getting laid" has entered the chat hahahaa. If I had figured out LMR earlier than I did, I'd have double my lay count. Oh well, makes me a better teacher!

I had a girl over from Hinge to play pool and hangout last night.

This is straight from the dating app? Okay I can see why we might have some LMR. She's going purely off of a text conversation/pictures.

When she came over we sat on the couch and talked for a few minutes. Then we played a few games of pool (vibing, flirting, and some touch sprinkled in).

At one point, I showed her how to properly hit the ball while guiding her through it (a good excuse to get physical).

At one point in our conversation, I made a joke about why Karens are the way they are (they suffer from GDD - Good Dick Deficiency). She laughed and agreed, which led into her mentioning that she had a friend that was asexual, which led into us talking about sex a bit more. Prior to this, she asked if I was spontaneous and I asked her if she was as well. We talked about some things we’ve done in the past that were spontaneous (non-sexual things).

A girl asks if you're spontaneous, that's a time to SHOW her rather than telling: go for the kiss right there and then. Can't think of a better response than that.

After we finished playing pool we sat on the couch and started kissing. We did that off and on for a few minutes then I gave her a tour of my studio and led her to my bedroom afterwards.

We started kissing and I pulled her on top of me as we landed on my bed. We did this for a bit but any time I tried pulling her shirt off, I would get resistance. This would happen every time I tried pulling her shirt off. We would stop kissing from time to time and again, nothing.

Generally, when you hit a wall, you only want to try again once, MAYBE twice before rethinking your strategy. Sometimes the wall was just "im gonna see if he handles the rejection well and doesn't get upset/annoyed/angry." But if going for it again doesn't change anything, you need to switch to either

1. backing off and doing something else (conversation, movie, etc)

or

2. talk about the LMR! Ask her why and probe into her answers with genuine sincerity, the same way you would figure out some riddle.

Ask her why she feels the way she does? Then see how serious she is about it. A little, moderate, or a lot? If she's moderate or a lot serious, then you probably need to be able to give her what she needs or really show her why it's not important (without lying or deceiving).

She said that she wasn’t going to do anything past kissing. I told her that I wasn’t gonna make her do anything she wasn’t comfortable doing. She said that she wasn’t uncomfortable because she was already here. Whole time she was giving me bedroom eyes and we kissed some more. I mentioned at one point that I felt like she was trying to seduce me with her eyes (ofc she acted coy about it and tried to flip it on me).

You're not asking enough questions. Why not past kissing? The line about not doing anything that makes her feel uncomfortable is good, but you gotta be more curious about the LMR.

The attempt at a chase frame was gay. Just ask questions.

We kissed some more and I got more resistance. She asked if she could get a “raincheck” on us sleeping together. I asked her what was on her mind because she said she was spontaneous. She said she was but wasn’t when it came to having sex (cap as hell).

When you called her out, did you say it in a really confident way? Cocky humor?

Pull her close to you and say to her while staring in her eyes, "I bet if my cock was deep in your pussy right now and I was fucking you through the mattress, you would be thanking god you were spontaneous."

Where's your cockiness bruh? THIS GIRL NEEDS YOUR COCK. TELL HER HOW GOOD IT IS.

She said we could hangout another time and asked if I was going to text her. I told her that I might or I might not, but I guess she’ll have to find out for herself and that that was a two-way street.

Gay as fuck. Lol.

"i'll buy next time I come in."

Don't try to be coy after a girl denies you sex. makes you look butthurt.

She said she had to leave because she had work early in the morning. (In our texts prior to her coming over, she said she was off the following day, so I knew that was a lie).

We got out of the bed and walked to the living room, but she still was giving me bedroom eyes as she was putting on her shoes and backpack. We kissed again and as she left and said we should do this again but if she didn’t see me again it was nice to meet me.

Unless she texts me wanting to hangout, I’m not texting her. Which I doubt she will tbh

i mean, why not try? Chances are low, but not 0. Don't be so butthurt. I know easier said than done, but think of this as a video game rather than her saying no to your PP.

The last four girls I’ve had come over have all given me LMR and I don’t know how to overcome this. Was there a better way to handle her objections or was this more of an escalation issue?

Are you pulling girls mostly from online dating?

I mean, she met you on a texting app and you expected easy sexy straight to your house lol. This isn't PostMates dawg. This is a girl with emotions/feelings. She wants to see if you handle yourself alright. And considering she didn't leave and seem uncomfortable doing so, I'd say you did an okay job. Just not good enough to get the pussy. If you're inviting a girl whom you have almost no rapport with and expect easy sex, that's goofy. Expect LMR.

LMR comes because she's not 100% sold on her. You're way too entitled to pussy. I know how it feels, beeen there 10x more times than you, but the pain comes from mostly entitlement. A little cuz of blue balls/frustration, but mostly entitlement.

start talking to these girls more, bro. There's so much you can learn.

"why no kissing?"

"because i'm not that kind of girl"

"what do you mean that kind of girl?"

"lol you know what i mean"

"I mean yes but i want to hear it from you!"

"well, we just met and..."

"that's true but you obviously felt comfortable enough to come straight to my house. so clearly you were attracted to me. you think im cute right?"

"yeah..."

*moves in closer and strokes her cheek* "well i think you're cute too" *look down to her body* and sexy too. My cock gets hard looking at you. *grab her hand and put it on your pants to feel your erection*

silence....

also, never forget the immortal technique: when in doubt, whip it out. Has gotten me laid a lot. Girls really change their tune when they're looking at your weapon of mass destruction. 10x more so once they feel it. take some precum from your throbbing cock and put it in her mouth (disclaimer: obviously do all of this carefully and paying close attention to her reaction, but this is all totally okay to do).

u gotta try harder bro

Ask more questions and sell the experience!

Hector

 

[TSRaven]

A girl asks if you're spontaneous, that's a time to SHOW her rather than telling: go for the kiss right there and then. Can't think of a better response than that.

I'm definitely using this one next time this comes up.

Generally, when you hit a wall, you only want to try again once, MAYBE twice before rethinking your strategy. Sometimes the wall was just "im gonna see if he handles the rejection well and doesn't get upset/annoyed/angry." But if going for it again doesn't change anything, you need to switch to either

1. backing off and doing something else (conversation, movie, etc)

or

2. talk about the LMR! Ask her why and probe into her answers with genuine sincerity, the same way you would figure out some riddle.

Ask her why she feels the way she does? Then see how serious she is about it. A little, moderate, or a lot? If she's moderate or a lot serious, then you probably need to be able to give her what she needs or really show her why it's not important (without lying or deceiving).

In that instance, I definitely should have backed off and did something else. I messed up by trying to logically argue my way into her pants.

You're not asking enough questions. Why not past kissing? The line about not doing anything that makes her feel uncomfortable is good, but you gotta be more curious about the LMR.

The attempt at a chase frame was gay. Just ask questions.

When I first encountered LMR in this situation, my mind went blank, I started overthinking and was stuck in my head pretty much the rest of the time. Would there have been a better way to chase frame here?

When you called her out, did you say it in a really confident way? Cocky humor?

From what I remember, I could've said it in a more cocky way (More-so in a monotone voice).

Pull her close to you and say to her while staring in her eyes, "I bet if my cock was deep in your pussy right now and I was fucking you through the mattress, you would be thanking god you were spontaneous."

Where's your cockiness bruh? THIS GIRL NEEDS YOUR COCK. TELL HER HOW GOOD IT IS.

Using this as well in the future.

Since I was in my head at this point, I was trying not to come across too pushy by trying to play it cool but failed miserably lol.

"i'll buy next time I come in."

Don't try to be coy after a girl denies you sex. makes you look butthurt.

I didn't know that. I was under the impression that I would look butthurt only if I was begging her for sex or displayed anger that she denied sex.

Are you pulling girls mostly from online dating?

I mean, she met you on a texting app and you expected easy sexy straight to your house lol. This isn't PostMates dawg. This is a girl with emotions/feelings. She wants to see if you handle yourself alright. And considering she didn't leave and seem uncomfortable doing so, I'd say you did an okay job. Just not good enough to get the pussy. If you're inviting a girl whom you have almost no rapport with and expect easy sex, that's goofy. Expect LMR.

LMR comes because she's not 100% sold on her. You're way too entitled to pussy. I know how it feels, beeen there 10x more times than you, but the pain comes from mostly entitlement. A little cuz of blue balls/frustration, but mostly entitlement.

Yeah mostly online. I used to do nightgame frequently, with very minimal results. However things were starting to click. As soon as things were starting to click, I started to deal with car trouble and working a lot more. I haven't been able to go out as much as I would like to over the past couple months.

I figured since they were coming straight to my place that their interest had to be a lot higher to meet than if we went on a coffee date. I thought having a sense of entitlement (to a degree) was good. I assume it depends on the context of the situation.

start talking to these girls more, bro. There's so much you can learn.

"why no kissing?"

"because i'm not that kind of girl"

"what do you mean that kind of girl?"

"lol you know what i mean"

"I mean yes but i want to hear it from you!"

"well, we just met and..."

"that's true but you obviously felt comfortable enough to come straight to my house. so clearly you were attracted to me. you think im cute right?"

"yeah..."

*moves in closer and strokes her cheek* "well i think you're cute too" *look down to her body* and sexy too. My cock gets hard looking at you. *grab her hand and put it on your pants to feel your erection*

silence....

also, never forget the immortal technique: when in doubt, whip it out. Has gotten me laid a lot. Girls really change their tune when they're looking at your weapon of mass destruction. 10x more so once they feel it. take some precum from your throbbing cock and put it in her mouth (disclaimer: obviously do all of this carefully and paying close attention to her reaction, but this is all totally okay to do).

u gotta try harder bro

Ask more questions and sell the experience!

Before reading this I didn't have a clue as to what the right questions were to ask when I encounter LMR and as a result my brain would kinda freeze up and go into panic mode, as a result I would say and do dumb shit out of a need to do something. I try not to come off thirsty while also not being too passive when escalating, but I'm struggling to find the right balance of the two. So that's something I need to work on as well.

Thanks for the advice!