i want to improve my daygame process

[Don Giovanni]

Hey guys,

I'm going over my journal now and did stats of recent day game approaches.

Out of 27 approaches:

- 11 not avalible, has a boyfriend
- 7 not interested, in a hurry or doesn't stop
- 4 didnt close for random reasons like she goes on to a bus
- 4 number close but doesnt reply
- 2 number close but replies but goes nowhere
- 3 instadate

And now my current process.

PREAPPROACH

I try to make eye contact with people or appear zoned out in my thoughts, but very aware of who's looking my way. I also focus on my posture.

APPROACH

I approach stationary girls, moving girls that I'm genuinely attracted to or ones that give me ai. I usually go with a policeman stop and genuine compliment opener for moving girls as @Chase writes or something situational for stationary girls.

HOOK

I do usuall small talk, try to relate to her and throw in some teases. I try to seed the date naturally in conversation and then ask for the number if she's on her way somewhere or instadate.

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I'm not getting solid numbers, even when I do instadates and exchange numbers at the end they don't reply. This is the main thing I want to change.

Is there anything you see right away that you would change, add?

 

[Starboy]

Well how would you evaluate your fundamentals? Especially your eye contact,vocal tonality,body language. Are you relaxed or timid around women? While in conversation do you get any compliance from her or get her to qualify herself? Getting women to invest will increase your odds they'll wanna meet up later.

The policeman stop is not always the appropriate method to use for every situation because women have places to go and even if you're a charming attractive guy their defenses go up cuz you're a stranger. Especially if you're approaching on a congested sidewalk with traffic. You could walk with some women when you open you don't always need to stop them. You just make it look natural like you're also going in their direction or give a time constraint.

Your numbers don't look that bad to me and I think your process is ok. Just maximize your fundamentals and make some tweaks here and there. If you're lacking touch try to incorporate that. If your conversations are too logical and fact based make it more playful and add some banter.

 

[Don Giovanni]

I actually wanted to write, sure you can always improve fundamentals, but you can't see that here. I'm currently working on my anxiety and being generally in a relaxed state, since I think this is the one that needs the most love.

I do walk with girls sometime, yes.

Thanks for your reply, I will consider what you said.

 

[Lofty]

Your hangups are actually quite common given the type of daygame you're running, and don't worry because there are some plenty of methods to accelerate your progress.

Let's take a look at your typical opening phase:

Example 1:

DG: where are you going?
HB: home
DG: im just going for a walk. beautiful day and enjoying the sunlight
HB: yes it is
DG: i had to stop you and tell you you look amazing. you also have a good fashion sense. im guessing this are clothes from second hand
HB: yes
DG: great i love that you can be creative and have this sense for style
HB: haha thank you. where are you from
DG: i tell her natonality
HB: and are you studying here
DG: yes. i tell her field of study
HB: oh wow
DG: oh wow (making fun) and what are you doing
HB: im justgoing home
DG: no, in your life i mean
HB: im a mananger i have a small shop with clothes
DG: affordable for me or no
HB: its womens clothes
DG: i love womens clothes haha i couldnt get this shoes in mens size here (point at my shoes) i guess men here are too masculine or something
HB: haha i gues
DG: is it around here?
HB: no, the buda side. look i will have to go
DG: no problem. lets exchange contacts and get in touch some other time
HB: ihab
DG: i have a cat
HB: i have 2 cats haha

Example 2:

DG: i like your style. very matrix like
HB: thank you (with a grin)
DG: except your dog… your dog is too cute
HB: haha maybe yes
DG: so you live here?
HB: no im waiting for my boyfriend hes in the store
DG: so where are you from
HB: im from france. were digital nomads
DG: cool

Basically, your direct openers followed by basic rapport questions are leading the girl to make a knee-jerk judgement about you.

As in, she is recognizing that you're stopping her on the street because you are interested in her for reasons of sex. This sort of scenario presents a situation which can be very lacking in social frame. And the lack of social frame is also demonstrated through their lack of responsiveness over text as ASD/FSC may flare up when she returns home... or it just signifies a more general lack of social frame overall. Remember, she doesn't know much about you and calibration here must be approached very delicately.

There are many questions that may pop in her mind as well such as, "Does he do this to every girl?", "Is he just trying to fuck and use me?", "Will I regret it if I meet with him and have sex?", etc.

In addition, boyfriend objections are also notoriously common in these kinds of scenarios as even if the girl becomes aroused and stimulated at some level, the lack of social frame has a tendency to ignite ASD/FSC because facets of social indoctrination dictate that most women will have holdups about guys stopping them on the street about sex. Therefore her emotions are regulated by these dynamics whether she may truly have a boyfriend or not. Sure, those types of approaches CAN lead to a lay and there are examples of that on this forum... but as you're looking for different perspectives, I can share them with you and then you can decide what's best for yourself through the field-testing process.

This is something that should be considered as you level up your daygaming. The goal many top daygamers like Bacchus and Gunwitch have is to run real verbal influence on her to smoothly drive her state. Hence, they work diligently to build each of the 3 Keys covertly and construct immersive narratives from the pre-approach and beyond.

You may be seeing here that observing a girl's clothing isn't necessarily the standalone issue you're facing. For example, you could also relate her clothing to things like how she must not be afraid to express herself like so many other people are, how wearing certain bold styles can make you feel a certain way to grab life by the horns, or leverage it for a ruse about her to serve as a social frame boost and intrigue bait to hook hard.

Effectively, an interaction like this does not become just about what she looks like or what she's wearing but also about her reality and the manner in which she wants to be seen. Then after this, you can route convo into some SOTs and frames as you do when nightgaming (it seems that your daygame and nightgaming verbal styles are kinda different?). In this way, you are also heavily contrasting yourself against guys who may not understand women at a profound level and are unable to really get their mind stimulated and panties wet. Compare this to the emotions women noticeably experience when you are deeply immersing them in your good sexual frames during nightgame. Big difference, right?

For further reading, I suggest reading these materials, including Bacchus' response to a situation in which I opened a moving girl by complimenting her clothing in what feels like a long time ago:

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And then with leveraging these learnings, I'd urge you to give some thought towards how to make your pre-approach as sprezzaturatic as possible (including inducing AIs) and use openers that are based on your shared reality or the way in which she views the world. Doing this effectively should improve all 3 Keys while she views your meeting as a wonderfully fateful encounter.

See if this resolves the sticking points and as always, continue to learn and adjust as you go.

 

[Stark]

From my experience with many thousands of approaches over 5-6 years - One technique that is key to your daygame lays - is to have the woman see you before you hit on her(do in a subtle way of course)

She should have a few seconds to process you, feel a certain way(based on your fundamentals).

If she fancies you from what she sees, it's all downhill from there(she will do most of the work for you as well)

If she is on the fence, your game would determine how far can you go.

If she placed you in the 'no' category - she'll make it clear early on

 

[topcat]

Your hangups are actually quite common given the type of daygame you're running, and don't worry because there are some plenty of methods to accelerate your progress.

Let's take a look at your typical opening phase:

Example 1:

Example 2:

Basically, your direct openers followed by basic rapport questions are leading the girl to make a knee-jerk judgement about you.

As in, she is recognizing that you're stopping her on the street because you are interested in her for reasons of sex. This sort of scenario presents a situation which can be very lacking in social frame. And the lack of social frame is also demonstrated through their lack of responsiveness over text as ASD/FSC may flare up when she returns home... or it just signifies a more general lack of social frame overall. Remember, she doesn't know much about you and calibration here must be approached very delicately.

There are many questions that may pop in her mind her as well such as, "Does he do this to every girl?", "Is he just trying to fuck and use me?", "Will I regret it if I meet with him and have sex?", etc.

In addition, boyfriend objections are also notoriously common in these kinds of scenarios as even if the girl becomes aroused and stimulated at some level, the lack of social frame has a tendency to ignite ASD/FSC because facets of social indoctrination dictate that most women will have holdups about guys stopping them on the street about sex. Therefore her emotions are regulated by these dynamics whether she may truly have a boyfriend or not. Sure, those types of approaches CAN lead to a lay and there are examples of that on this forum... but as you're looking for different perspectives, I can share them with you and then you can decide what's best for yourself through the field-testing process.

This is something that should be considered as you level up your daygaming. The goal many top daygamers like Bacchus and Gunwitch have is to run real verbal influence on her to smoothly drive her state. Hence, they work diligently to build each of the 3 Keys covertly and construct immersive narratives from the pre-approach and beyond.

You may be seeing here that observing a girl's clothing isn't necessarily the standalone issue you're facing. For example, you could also relate her clothing to things like how she must not be afraid to express herself like so many other people are, how wearing certain bold styles can make you feel a certain way to grab life by the horns, or leverage it for a ruse about her to serve as a social frame boost and intrigue bait to hook hard.

Effectively, an interaction like this does not become just about what she looks like or what she's wearing but also about her reality and the manner in which she wants to be seen. Then after this, you can route convo into some SOTs and frames as you do when nightgaming (it seems that your daygame and nightgaming verbal styles are kinda different?). In this way, you are also heavily contrasting yourself against guys who may not understand women at a profound level and are unable to really get their mind stimulated and panties wet. Compare this to the emotions women noticeably experience when you are deeply immersing them in your good sexual frames during nightgame. Big difference, right?

For further reading, I suggest reading these materials, including Bacchus' response to a situation in which I opened a moving girl by complimenting her clothing in what feels like a long time ago:

Searching for Cirrus

Thursday, August 20 To start is to do, and I need to be involved in lots of doing. So, it’s about time that I started my journal here. Hopefully, this journal will record my progression from a fledgling seducer into a skilled seducer. This coincides with my return to college, and hence the...

www.skilledseducer.com

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Women dream of being swept off their feet by a sexy stranger. Here's how to set yourself up as the object of her fantasies before you even make eye contact. Contents I. Common Day Game Mistakes II. The Smooth Operator III. How Do You Meet Smooth? IV. Strategic Effortlessness V. Nonverbal...

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You can approach women on the street without it seeming awkward. Follow these few simple steps to approach women smoothly while out and about. Contents I. The Importance of Nonverbal Narratives II. Effortless Street Stops III. Practice Makes Perfect Meeting new girls on the street presents tough...

www.girlschase.com

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Every man has the potential to become sizzlingly seductive to women. But not every man is willing to put in the effort. Resistance is arguably the most frustrating experience in a new game student's journey to improve his sex life with cold approach. After working up the courage to open - and...

www.girlschase.com

And then with leveraging these learnings, I'd urge you to give some thought towards how to make your pre-approach as sprezzaturatic as possible (including inducing AIs) and use openers that are based on your shared reality or the way in which she views the world. Doing this effectively should improve all 3 Keys while she views your meeting as a wonderfully fateful encounter.

See if this resolves the sticking points and as always, continue to learn and adjust as you go.

gold

 

[Don Giovanni]

From my experience with many thousands of approaches over 5-6 years - One technique that is key to your daygame lays - is to have the woman see you before you hit on her(do in a subtle way of course)

She should have a few seconds to process you, feel a certain way(based on your fundamentals).

If she fancies you from what she sees, it's all downhill from there(she will do most of the work for you as well)

If she is on the fence, your game would determine how far can you go.

If she placed you in the 'no' category - she'll make it clear early on

Basically yes, if I'm getting one piece of this puzzle is her lowering her guard preapproach and of course be attracted to you preapproach in ideal scenario. Definetly including that.

 

[Don Giovanni]

You may be seeing here that observing a girl's clothing isn't necessarily the standalone issue you're facing. For example, you could also relate her clothing to things like how she must not be afraid to express herself like so many other people are, how wearing certain bold styles can make you feel a certain way to grab life by the horns, or leverage it for a ruse about her to serve as a social frame boost and intrigue bait to hook hard

I had to re-read this part 3 times to fully understand it. It's my go to opener obviously. I always thought of street stops as super direct ways of letting the girl know that you want to take her out romantically at least if not fuck her straight up. But why not make it more interesting, offer another perspective which sucks her in before she gets a chance to put you in ''just another guy hitting on me'' category.

Then after this, you can route convo into some SOTs and frames as you do when nightgaming (it seems that your daygame and nightgaming verbal styles are kinda different?).

Great observation. I guess its because I improvise these frames mostly, I always was a thoughtful guy and it comes naturally to me. I have to feel the vibe to get into it though. As for fast paced street stops there's just no time... or I made no time. That is why I will start memorizing gambits. It's a decision I made recently. I was against it for ''natural, being fake'' reasons, but lets try it out and see what happens.

And then with leveraging these learnings, I'd urge you to give some thought towards how to make your pre-approach as sprezzaturatic as possible (including inducing AIs) and use openers that are based on your shared reality or the way in which she views the world. Doing this effectively should improve all 3 Keys while she views your meeting as a wonderfully fateful encounter.

Of course.

Currently re reading those articles you linked me. Thank you for you time man, I appreciate it. New field reports coming in soon!

 

[Lofty]

Okay, awesome!

I had to re-read this part 3 times to fully understand it. It's my go to opener obviously. I always thought of street stops as super direct ways of letting the girl know that you want to take her out romantically at least if not fuck her straight up. But why not make it more interesting, offer another perspective which sucks her in before she gets a chance to put you in ''just another guy hitting on me'' category.


Great observation. I guess its because I improvise these frames mostly, I always was a thoughtful guy and it comes naturally to me. I have to feel the vibe to get into it though. As for fast paced street stops there's just no time... or I made no time. That is why I will start memorizing gambits. It's a decision I made recently. I was against it for ''natural, being fake'' reasons, but lets try it out and see what happens.



Of course.

Currently re reading those articles you linked me. Thank you for you time man, I appreciate it. New field reports coming in soon!

Quick note - feeling comfortable improvising frames is what you want!

It’s actually a big goal of advanced verbal game. You want to feel great when freestyling top-level verbals and for these things to be “naturalized”:

Naturalized Game: Make Seducing Women Work Your Way

Want to optimize your seductions? Step 1: learn effective canned routine concepts. Step 2: “naturalize” those concepts to fit your personal approach and style. Hey guys! Last week, in response to a reader’s question, I detailed the pros and cons of using canned routines to seduce women. To...

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What verbal game and gambits teach you is the structure for influence and driving her state, along with great material to pull out of your bag if a good situation arises. Though most of all, it’s the concepts that are really powerful here.

Memorization of the exact words isn’t what we want - it’s the internalization of concepts. This will mean that you are always staying calibrated, can work with any situation that arises, and have tons of tools to lead the interaction in a positive direction.

And yeah a specific gambit can also give you a great start sometimes in your early game too like Teevster notes. Especially in certain types of environments, like if at a park or on the street where you can really leverage the consistency of the environment.

But even with a great hook from a memorized opener that is super calibrated and sprezzaturatic... you, me, and everyone else knows that getting laid isn’t just about a great hook. It’s just an important part of it.

Because a great opener like that gives a fantastic start even though you still have work to do... while a uncalibrated opener can kinda give you a mountain to climb back from right then and there.

So basically, definitely study gambits and know how to use them. Most of all, though, I’d say to study the concepts behind them so that you can naturalize these powerful structures and concepts into what feels natural to you.

And that’s where the real power of verbals lie. Seeing it as influence game as you’re driving her state however you need to based on the context while being calibrated to both you and her (social frame!).

So it’s not being fake, spending hours on memorization, or anything like that.

It’s just more like developing the seducer side of you and growing as you learn more and more everyday.

 

[Don Giovanni]

Okay, awesome!


Quick note - feeling comfortable improvising frames is what you want!

It’s actually a big goal of advanced verbal game. You want to feel great when freestyling top-level verbals and for these things to be “naturalized”:

Naturalized Game: Make Seducing Women Work Your Way

Want to optimize your seductions? Step 1: learn effective canned routine concepts. Step 2: “naturalize” those concepts to fit your personal approach and style. Hey guys! Last week, in response to a reader’s question, I detailed the pros and cons of using canned routines to seduce women. To...

www.girlschase.com

What verbal game and gambits teach you is the structure for influence and driving her state, along with great material to pull out of your bag if a good situation arises. Though most of all, it’s the concepts that are really powerful here.

Memorization of the exact words isn’t what we want - it’s the internalization of concepts. This will mean that you are always staying calibrated, can work with any situation that arises, and have tons of tools to lead the interaction in a positive direction.

And yeah a specific gambit can also give you a great start sometimes in your early game too like Teevster notes. Especially in certain types of environments, like if at a park or on the street where you can really leverage the consistency of the environment.

But even with a great hook from a memorized opener that is super calibrated and sprezzaturatic... you, me, and everyone else knows that getting laid isn’t just about a great hook. It’s just an important part of it.

Because a great opener like that gives a fantastic start even though you still have work to do... while a uncalibrated opener can kinda give you a mountain to climb back from right then and there.

So basically, definitely study gambits and know how to use them. Most of all, though, I’d say to study the concepts behind them so that you can naturalize these powerful structures and concepts into what feels natural to you.

And that’s where the real power of verbals lie. Seeing it as influence game as you’re driving her state however you need to based on the context while being calibrated to both you and her (social frame!).

So it’s not being fake, spending hours on memorization, or anything like that.

It’s just more like developing the seducer side of you and growing as you learn more and more everyday.

Great explanation, I especially liked the developing the seducer side of yourself.