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If you are moving in w/ her for a few months but haven't worked out the details, I have no income

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Space Monkey
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She's agreed to have me w/ her and travel was paid for/booked. I'm afraid if I bring up stuff like rent splitting, she'll say no to letting me stay w/ her

I'm trying to not pay half the rent, hoping to get there and then once I'm already there to work this out and it will be too late for her to say no easily

1. What else can I offer her excluding paying for stuff? Chores, learn to massage or something

2. What phrases would you say back if she brings up rent? Can mention I don't have income and offer to do some other things? Or is this too overexpressive? Or could give her the silent treatment and hope she drops it what's my best bet?
 

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I once knew a guy who'd been living off women for 10+ years. He hadn't ever had a job in his life he said (that said... he dealt).

If you've ever seen the movie Midnight Cowboy that was more or less his prototype: tall, dumb, built-like-a-jock blonde guy who'd be real friendly, put his arm around you, and treat you like the best person in the world.

Of course he was also constantly trying to manipulate people. He'd buy you drinks or give you some piece of advice for how he could thought you could do a little better with girls, and then the next day he'd be calling you for a ride or asking to leave a bunch of boxes at your place for a year while he went to the Philippines.

When I met him he'd just been kicked out by all three of the women he'd been crashing with and was living in his truck. The day after I met him he was feeling me out to see if he could crash at my place.

I assume that's how he was with women too.

Probably got him some girls enamored to have finally found themselves the good-looking blonde jock they always wanted in high school.

But that wore out quick and he was back out on the street looking for another chick to support him before you knew it.

He said the one girl, the last of his three to have just kicked him out, he'd been crashing with for three months. So I guess there's a time limit for you if you need one.

Best advice I can give is shag her really well, make yourself a catch, and if she brings up rent, I'd just tell her well you know babe I'm broke. What can I do? You tell me. If you feel like I'm freeloading, I don't want that. You just tell me what you want. Or if you want me gone, well, it's your place too. You tell me.

If she views you as invaluable she won't want you gone.

That said, might be hard staying invaluable as the guy who just hangs around and doesn't make bread for a bunch of months.

That's unless she's really hard up for cock, and what you're swinging is a lot better than what she could get without having to pay for it with free room & board...

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Why don't you have an income? Are you planning on having an income?
 

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I once knew a guy who'd been living off women for 10+ years. He hadn't ever had a job in his life he said (that said... he dealt).

If you've ever seen the movie Midnight Cowboy that was more or less his prototype: tall, dumb, built-like-a-jock blonde guy who'd be real friendly, put his arm around you, and treat you like the best person in the world.

Of course he was also constantly trying to manipulate people. He'd buy you drinks or give you some piece of advice for how he could thought you could do a little better with girls, and then the next day he'd be calling you for a ride or asking to leave a bunch of boxes at your place for a year while he went to the Philippines.

When I met him he'd just been kicked out by all three of the women he'd been crashing with and was living in his truck. The day after I met him he was feeling me out to see if he could crash at my place.

I assume that's how he was with women too.

Probably got him some girls enamored to have finally found themselves the good-looking blonde jock they always wanted in high school.

But that wore out quick and he was back out on the street looking for another chick to support him before you knew it.

He said the one girl, the last of his three to have just kicked him out, he'd been crashing with for three months. So I guess there's a time limit for you if you need one.

Best advice I can give is shag her really well, make yourself a catch, and if she brings up rent, I'd just tell her well you know babe I'm broke. What can I do? You tell me. If you feel like I'm freeloading, I don't want that. You just tell me what you want. Or if you want me gone, well, it's your place too. You tell me.

If she views you as invaluable she won't want you gone.

That said, might be hard staying invaluable as the guy who just hangs around and doesn't make bread for a bunch of months.

That's unless she's really hard up for cock, and what you're swinging is a lot better than what she could get without having to pay for it with free room & board...

Chase
Chase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ty!!!!!

"Best advice I can give is shag her really well, make yourself a catch, and if she brings up rent, I'd just tell her well you know babe I'm broke. What can I do? You tell me. If you feel like I'm freeloading, I don't want that. You just tell me what you want. Or if you want me gone, well, it's your place too. You tell me."

If the situation is she knows I'm taking online classes and I intend to stay w/ her for one semester before going back to my Mom's basement, would this change your phrasing? Next year they may return to in person classes
 
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I can't change the original post but she knows that I have no income because I am taking online classes, not sure if that changes anything
 

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Why don't you have an income? Are you planning on having an income?

I'm taking online classes at a college and she is aware. What's your advice for phrases to say if she brings up rent? Haven't discussed
 

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Go and check this out:

www.remotasks.com

No need to be a freeloader

Ty!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tho I'll say I'm still trying to just spend most of my time studying for my online classes while at her place, not sure if I want to take on work but might do a little bit.

What phrases might you say if she brings up rent and paying for expenses?
 
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get an income or you’re done for…

It's true that I'm done for. I'm only planning to stay w/ her for one semester while I take online classes then its back to my Mom's basement and she knows this. If she brings up rent/asking me to pay for things, what phrases might you say to delay getting kicked out/buy self some time to get a plane back to my Mom's basement?
 

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Translate : "How to be a bum"?

Be a Fugging man and tell her your situation up front. Offer to do the cleaning and cooking for your part of the rent...Create some value.

Ty!!!!!!

I sort of imagine myself immediatly starting to help clean dishes like the last time I was at her place for a saturday here or there the last time I saw her about a year ago. Still a few weeks before I fly to her city

So far the only things I've told her is that I am taking online classes and she agreed to have me over for one semester
Aside from cleaning and cooking, what else could I offer?

How would you phrase offering those things without sounding desperate/needy? Should I offer these things up front or wait verbally after staying at her place for a bit?
 

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I'm taking online classes at a college and she is aware. What's your advice for phrases to say if she brings up rent? Haven't discussed

My suggestion is that YOU bring it up and own the shit out of it. If you wait for her to bring it up, she's going to think you're hiding something, which you are.

And if she's thinking you're going to be paying your own way and for your own shit, she's probably going to be pissed that she's come up with all of these plans and ideas about things, only to find out that you're broke and freeloading off of her.

As a man, you need to own that shit, fess up to it, tell her that you'll help out in other ways, and let her know it won't always be like this. Stop worrying about "phrases" because this is probably going to be a much bigger discussion than some quick tricky phrases will cover.

In fact, I suggest telling her before you show up... that's some little weak ass pussy boy shit to show up at someone's place and not tell them you're not even going to help with the bills while you stay at their place.

She may already know this... but she may not. And if she doesn't, it'll quickly drive a wedge between the two of you and create lots of other problems. If it's a problem, you can figure out another situation before you get out there and she won't feel used and tricked by you.
 

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My suggestion is that YOU bring it up and own the shit out of it. If you wait for her to bring it up, she's going to think you're hiding something, which you are.

And if she's thinking you're going to be paying your own way and for your own shit, she's probably going to be pissed that she's come up with all of these plans and ideas about things, only to find out that you're broke and freeloading off of her.

As a man, you need to own that shit, fess up to it, tell her that you'll help out in other ways, and let her know it won't always be like this. Stop worrying about "phrases" because this is probably going to be a much bigger discussion than some quick tricky phrases will cover.

In fact, I suggest telling her before you show up... that's some little weak ass pussy boy shit to show up at someone's place and not tell them you're not even going to help with the bills while you stay at their place.

She may already know this... but she may not. And if she doesn't, it'll quickly drive a wedge between the two of you and create lots of other problems. If it's a problem, you can figure out another situation before you get out there and she won't feel used and tricked by you.

Thx, I've now scheduled an email bringing it up . The email will reach her later

Shit, I don't know should I pre-emptively bring up "i'll help clean/cook" in the same email? I was going to do it w/o being asked but I wonder if I should keep my mouth shut in case she had no expectation of this
 

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Thx, I've now scheduled an email bringing it up . The email will reach her later

For the future, this is probably the kind of conversation that you want to have live, over the phone.

One of the marks of being a mature, masculine man, and something that's incredibly attractive to women, is a man's willingness to face confrontation and own up to things that are yours.

Sending an email is chickening out of that... which isn't a big deal, most people are scared out of their minds of conflict and avoid it at all costs... which is what you're doing, avoiding it.

Most men out there are pussies and cowards, running around through life, trying to avoid facing reality. If conflict shows up, they run the other way.

That's just where we are, for the most part, as a society atm.

I don't know about you but I don't want to be average. I don't want to be like all the other guys she meets. I want to be exceptional. Because when you're exceptional, just about every woman you date will want to have your babies, get married to you, and will never want to leave you.

Being a strong, masculine man, is one of the most attractive things that you can be to women... if you put aside all of the tricks, magical phrases, secret techniques, and manipulative text messages, being a strong man is what women are biologically attracted to. It's a panty dropper.

Shit, I don't know should I pre-emptively bring up "i'll help clean/cook" in the same email? I was going to do it w/o being asked but I wonder if I should keep my mouth shut in case she had no expectation of this

Philosophically, the difference between children and adults is that an adult has the ability to take care of themselves and add value to the world around them and children just take from the world.

You can be a 50 year old man but still be a boy or child mentally if you've never learned how to become independent and add value to the world. And we have more adult children now than there has probably ever been in human history since so many kids are being babied well into adulthood these days.

Value can be seen as a lot of things... she will be adding value to your life by allowing you to stay at her place. Usually, the person staying then gives value back in the form of money but there are many other types of value out there that you could be giving to her.

I'm not trying to be a dick but I do want to let you know about this in case you're not aware.

You're being a child with her in a number of different ways here... you're expecting to show up without even discussing the fact that you have no money to pay for your spot in her home.

You were planning on avoiding the conversation altogether even though you knew it was probably going to be a problem.

You're sending her an email instead of having a real conversation with her about it.

You're attempting to figure out a way to avoid doing anything and still staying and living at her place.

These are the actions of a boy, not a man. They're the actions of a child, not an adult.

My suggestion is that you start studying what it means to be a man and an adult and start figuring out how to get your actions in alignment with that... not only so that you're a better human being, in general, but also because it's FAR more attractive to women than acting like a boy.
 
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Shit, I don't know should I pre-emptively bring up "i'll help clean/cook" in the same email? I was going to do it w/o being asked but I wonder if I should keep my mouth shut in case she had no expectation of this
Don't bring me problems unless you are going to offer me solutions...If you don't offer a solution then you are telling me you will accept my solution without questioning it.
 

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Thx for advice everyone. I emailed about rent, cleaning etc. She said she didn't expect me to pay rent, she said not to worry, and she was very happy to hear I will help w/ household tasks. Going to move to California, I'm excited
 
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Thx for advice everyone. I emailed about rent, cleaning etc. She said she didn't expect me to pay rent, she said not to worry, and she was very happy to hear I will help w/ household tasks. Going to move to California, I'm excited

Cool man, I'm glad that worked out.
 

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There you go....now shag the crap out of her and make her addicted to your cock....
 
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