Date Plans [In-depth] professional PUA Elon infield footage analysis

[Gorili]

There's a lot of information to cover in all of his YouTube footage, so this will be an extremely detailed post. If you want to see advanced concepts in action and him "flipping a red," please skip directly to girl 4. I've only went through some of his videos, so I'm sure there's a lot of golden nuggets that I haven't uncovered yet. Enjoy

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Introduction

Guys,

This is gonna be very interesting. It has come to my attention that there is a new YouTube channel based out of China featuring speed seduction, including same day lays and 1st date lays. A number of videos show high quality and detailed footage, from approach to sexual escalation.

I'm curious what everyone thinks about this guy Elon. I think his style is very understated, although I do have a few questions, which I'll list at the end.

In one of the videos, he claimed that he laid 10+ girls in less than a month, so this caught my attention. The girls are a mix of locals and tourists (including Western girls). From the videos that I've seen, they are primarily day game. Note that this guy is familiar with Mystery, the MASF forum, RSD, etc. Same for concepts like ASD, IOI, SOI, etc.

Background on the channel:

• Creator name: Elon
• Channel: 极速吸引TV (translation: Extreme Speed Attraction)
• Link: https://www.youtube.com/@yanyiqinggan1/videos
• Locations:
  • Chengdu - 21M pop.
  • Hangzhou - 12M pop.
  • To compare, in America we have Greater New York with a population of 19M
• Languages spoken: Mandarin for locals, English for foreign girls even though his English is not very good
• Personal life: He used to travel around Europe, train at Madrid and Portugal, and play football (soccer) professionally before suffering a major injury

Notable techniques (if I missed anything, please comment below):

• Parallel side openers for moving targets with some type of hand gesture to grab her attention. Openers are dynamic
• Ask for contact details (WeChat) within a few minutes on a high point regardless of setting up a day 2 or instant date. Like WhatsApp in Europe, WeChat is a messaging app used by everyone in China. I like how he uses a yes-ladder. He asks if they have a WeChat, which the answer is always a resounding yes, followed by let's exchange WeChat
• Check logistics very early on with "what are you doing right now?" and "you with anyone else here?". If there's availability, then he proposes an instant date with "let's grab something to drink" or "let's take a walk"
• For girls that are hesitant on the approach, pre-empt concerns with "don't worry I'm not trying to sell you anything", "relax I'm not a bad person", and even "I'm just trying to make a friend"
• Purposely omitting the man-to-woman frame until we're near the end game (he doesn't really expand on this)
  • Prominent proponent of the no kino model. No touches until he brings the girl home. No handshakes, accidentally bumping into each other, protective touch, tap on the shoulder, hugs, kissing, etc. See girl 2 for his rationale for why he prefers to go all in on one try at the close location
  • In the past, over a period of 2 years, he had field tested traditional PUA kino techniques like holding hands, kissing, etc. pre-pull but the results were significantly better with his no kino style
  • Relatively little flirting, teasing, and jokes
• I would classify his style as minimalistic and closely resembling compliance-based game
  • His verbals may appear very basic. Neither the verbals from Elon nor the girls have much substance nor "drive" much of anything in the beginning. If you're confused how this works, read this post
  • No fancy lines
  • Always pushing the interaction forward
• Proxemics and spatial analysis (he thinks this area is highly important but often neglected in day game)
  • Deliberately maintaining distance from the girl at all times when walking and constantly analyzing their level of compliance based on how close the girl gets to him
  • While walking together, he does these little moves where he suddenly pulls off to the side laterally. Depending on how the girl reacts, he's able to gauge her interest level and how ready she is for the next phase. Hard to explain but watch girls 2 and 4 for examples
  • During transition phases, he selectively "walks by himself" sort of like wandering in his own bubble while looking around at the environment and doesn't pay too much attention to the girl. Very hard to explain, but please watch girl 4. Also, notice how he's giving her space and walks slightly in front of her at the beginning for timestamp 3:23 - 4:00 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbvmetaMMEo. What this does is that you can shift her emotional state when you give her space. If you're physically glued to her and keep pestering her with questions, she will keep her guard up and enter a resistant state
  • Straddle style when sitting in taxis and rideshare vehicles. He sits up front next to the driver, while the girl sits in the back by herself. See girl 2 for an explanation from a YouTube commenter involving target emotional regulation
• Push-pull
  • Lots of bored looks and looking away / pretending to be disinterested when they're talking about mundane topics or the girl is giving info on her background (to be fair, he says that the latter is a personal preference cuz he meets too many girls)
  • Deliberating reducing his interest via non-verbals when preceding the physical act of changing and leaving a venue, such as going on his phone or physically removing himself by going to the restroom
  • Walking out the venue 1st and "leaving the girl behind." Go watch girls 1, 2, and 4
• Tension
  • On dates always sits across from the girl to maintain eye contact
  • Almost never laughs
  • Lots of pauses and silences
• Chill and laid back when facing resistance. Doesn't respond right away
• Deep diving
• Plausible deniability for pull by pitching drinks at home, but the wording isn't that straight forward though. See girl 4 for more info

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Analysis

The videos have been selected and placed in the order of difficulty, from easiest to hardest, in my opinion. Girls 1 and 2 come first since they're in English. When he speaks in Mandarin, his style for verbals isn't really that different from English. There are no English subtitles / captions for girls 3 and 4 so you'll have to rely on my high-level translations.

Legend:

• Pink: girl's in-field dialogue
• Blue: Elon's in-field dialogue, Elon's post-outing analysis
• Black: my analysis

Please don't ask me why I said something in blue because I'm not the one saying it. He is. This is why I'm using colors to differentiate who's who.


Girl 1 - Ukrainian / Chinese mixed expat - 1st date lay

Notable moments:

• 0:19: Looks-based compliment perhaps due to the language barrier
• 0:35: Her Belarusian friend tells him he shouldn't do a certain hand gesture and he takes the hit. Minor point, but me personally, I would have held frame and ask "why not" at a minimum
• 1:47: Sits across from her and deep dive into her background
• 5:22: Compliance request for her to show him Douyin / TikTok denied so he looks away, switches plans, and shows her his instead
• 5:47: Asks if she likes cats. She says she likes dogs. I would have used this topic to seed the pull with an additional hook: "Since you like animals, I'll have to introduce you to my cat Tom later. I'm sure you guys will get along"
• 12:44: He proposes a venue change, but it is unclear the exact steps that he took so that she ended up at his place at the end. He's way ahead of her when they exit the bar together

Girl 2 - French tourist in China - 1st date lay

Notable moments:

• 0:01: No audio for the approach since he didn't have a mic on. He's wearing slippers
• 0:18: Explains the the drink date was seeded in-person
• 1:19: Texting on WeChat. He hard closes early and is using texting for logistics only. They are texting on a Saturday night. Date ends up being on Sunday at 20:30
• 3:30: If you're talking to girls in a foreign language and you don't know what they're saying or aren't too interested in that topic, you can just skip over it and there's no need to give a strong reaction
• 6:57: Language, background, and race are not important, and that what's most important is whether she is attracted to you
• 19:09: They leave the bar, but the exact wording that he uses for the extraction is not shown / unclear
• 19:45: "Here I move to the right on purpose. She is already getting very close to me and also following my lead. When you're trying to have sex with someone very quickly, it's best to maintain a feeling of distance. This way when you guys get back home you can take her down in one go, so that there won't be any obstacle / resistance. Here, the me from 10 years ago would have already kissed and hugged [cultural note: hugging is seen as much more intimate in China]. When I have time, I'll specifically talk about this with Sin [his PUA friend]. Different methods lead to different outcomes. We will focus on the step of attacking [i.e., escalation] when we're in a private setting." Interesting stance from his no touch philosophy. I like how he recognizes that there are multiple ways to skin a cat
• 20:54: They get in a ride-share vehicle. Note how he sits in the front, while she sits in the back by herself. Someone in the comments on YouTube (not the creator) explained: "Girls will be more attracted when their emotions fluctuate. You lower her emotional level in the car and slowly increase it when you're in private. Girls themselves are creatures of delayed gratification"
• 21:35: Gets her to take off her shoes and put on some slippers. Look at how the room is dimly lighted, which helps with reducing resistance to sex
• 22:00: Plays music, doesn't talk to her, and leaves her alone to play with the cat to build comfort in the new setting
• 24:30: She takes off her slippers and ends up barefoot on the sofa
• 27:59: First time I've seen him touch her intently the whole night
• 28:34: Flicks her thigh. Not a big deal in isolation but given how little he touches had to call this out
• 30:33: Uses his phone to show her something to slightly close the distance and then go for the make out. I think there was some resistance but not sure with the blur

Girl 3 - College professor - instant date + same day lay

Notable moments:

• 0:01:
  • Background info: this is taking place on the weekend at about 10pm. Notice the sheer amount of people walking around in this mall
  • "Hello, hello, hello, hi"
  • "What's up?" She creates distance and pulls to the right
  • "I'm not a salesperson"
  • [Laughs]
  • "I'm not selling you anything. I'm a..."
  • "So you're gonna tell me whether I should cut my hair"
  • "No, I'm a [audio muted]"
  • [Overlapping, inaudible, some type of concern from her]
  • "Why do you just... I came over here from [audio muted, some other venue]. I came here to do some shopping today. I saw you and just wanted to get to know you. That's it... Why was it that the first thing you said was about cutting hair?"
  • "Because when I walk here there's always people asking me..."
  • "Ok"
  • “... about hair styles"
• 0:32
  • "Where are you headed to?"
  • "About to go home"
  • "You live around here?"
  • "Are you trying to follow me home?"
  • "No, no, no. Why don't we get to know each other? I'm just making a new friend"
  • "Next week there's a [audio muted] here?"
  • "Uh no, no. I'm here to have fun."
  • "Oh you're traveling here?"
  • "Not really traveling. I live here"
  • "So you live here. What do you like about this place?"
  • "Not much. It's just that... it's a long story"
  • "Are you going to have one more reason after today?" She's referring to herself and testing him
  • "Perhaps"
  • [Laughs]
  • "Maybe, I don't know. Yea, I'm not some type of bad guy. I'm a [audio muted]. I was here to do some shopping today." She fully stops walking. This is a good sign
• 1:13
  • "So where do you live? Do you live in a hotel or?"
  • "I don't live in a hotel. I rented a place for a year. During Chinese New Year, I met up with a friend who lived in Chengdu. And then he said I should move here. He said why don't you live here for a year. That's why I came here"
  • "Ah"
  • "He was living in Chengdu, but now he doesn't live here anymore"
  • "Ok"
• 1:34
  • "He's a [audio muted]... I have a feeling you're not from Chengdu"
  • "Yea, I'm not"
  • "You don't look like it"
  • "Yea, I'm rather tall, taller than the average person here"
  • "How tall are you?"
  • "I tell people I'm about 170 cm"
  • "So you're 173 - 175 cm then, I think"
  • "Around there, still tall"
  • "Are you in a rush to get home? Or?"
  • "Huh?"
  • "You in a rush to get home?"
  • "So, do you have any plans in mind?" Look at how she's standing with her legs crossed. This is a sign of interest
  • "Um"
  • "I should take you on a walk"
  • "We could go on a walk, or we could grab a drink. Both are cool with me" He accepts a part of her frame and offers an alternative. This is less likely to face resistance than outright offering 2 options that she never proposed
  • "Drinks... so today I already drank 2 cups of coffee"
  • "So how about we grab soda water or beer?"
  • "I can't drink beer. I have to drive"
  • "Ah you gotta drive. Is your car parked underneath [the mall]?"
  • "Yes, yes, yes"
  • "Let's grab a non-alcoholic beverage then"
  • "Um ok"
• 2:20
  • "Let's first... let's first... let's exchange WeChat first"
  • "You... want my WeChat?? Hahahahaha." Resistance
  • "Hey if you don't wanna add me that's cool too"
  • "Sorry"
  • "I'm really not some type of bad guy. I'm just a [audio muted]"
  • "So your injury... then you're a pessimistic optimist"
  • "Ah you have a good personality then"
  • "If you're not a bad person, as a Chengdu citizen, I should show off my warmth to you"
  • "Sureee, but don't be too warm though. If you're gonna be too warm, that's also not gonna be ok"
  • [Laughs] They add each other on WeChat
  • "Looks like you accepted the invite. My name is [name]"
• 3:15
  • "So let's find a place to grab something to drink, or maybe you know a good place"
  • "There should be one near the city center"
  • They sort through logistics, so I'll end the translation here
• 6:23 He asks how old she is. She says she's older than him but doesn't disclose her age cuz it's "impolite" even after he presses. He lets the age topic die
• 7:42: He says it's hard to get a taxi at night here, especially cuz there's a lot of drunk people who need rides. Then he does a mini role-play / future projection. He's gonna hit her up the next time he needs a ride and have her come pick him up. She plays along, and he says just kidding
• 9:26: He asks if the girl (college professor) has students in college trying to hit on her. She says they don't dare. He asks if she's the feisty type and that's why cuz she looks too nice. She repeats that the students don't dare and they're not like him, who's the confident type
• 10:58: Elon thinks it's a bit loud in the bar cuz there's a band playing. He likes to have a drink at home. He's seeding the pull
• 14:26: He needs to use the restroom
• 16:23: He asks her what type of music she wants to listen to
• 18:00: He tells her to come over
• 18:18: She says he's lying on top of her, most likely putting his head on her lap

Girl 4 - Beijing tourist - instant date + same day lay

Part 1 - approach to venue change

Notable moments:

• 0:35: This is a 4-star difficulty pickup analysis. Perhaps, you've watched a lot of easy pickup videos, but most of the time, real-life pickups are gonna be more like this
• 1:06: I say hi, but the girl keeps walking and doesn't stop. I told her I'm not a salesman, but she waved me off and doesn't engage verbally. There's also a crowd of people getting in the way ahead waiting for the restroom
• 1:43:
  • He re-opens her
  • "Hi... hey, you mind stopping so I can talk for one minute?"
  • "What are you trying to do?"
  • "I'm not a salesperson. I'm a [audio muted]. And I saw you walking back over there and thought I just wanted to make a new friend"
  • "Oh, I'm not that type of person"
  • "Uh me too. I'm also not like that. I just walked here from [audio muted, someplace nearby]." He is agreeing with her and pacing
  • "Oh ok"
• 2:03: She is still very resistant. A lot of guys probably have tried hitting on her today. We can't lower our guard here though. If we give her too positive of a reaction while facing strong resistance, she will have received enough validation and straight up walk away. I think the latter is a very nuanced point and a good observation
• 2:14:
  • "Are you here on vacation?"
  • "Yeah, I am"
  • "Can we get to know each other?
  • "Ok" [said reluctantly]
  • "Why are you so..."
  • "No, I just think that you're the type to..."
  • "The type to do what?"
  • "To sell me stuff"
  • "Oh my god lol... I'm an athlete" He is contrasting himself versus a "value-taking" salesperson and also DHV
  • "Oh ok"
  • "Are you here by yourself traveling?"
  • "No, with a friend"
  • "You're waiting for your friend right now?"
  • "No, I'm not waiting. She's getting food. She's got her own stuff to do. I'm just out shopping." Since she's by herself, we can ask her out
  • "So then let's find a place and grab something to drink... oh relax, I'm not a bad person ok?"
  • "Um, ok sure"
  • "Aight"
  • "I was also looking for something to drink" By verbalizing it aloud, this is a way for her to self-rationalize getting a drink with you, but be careful to not go into attack mode at this time
  • "How about we grab a coffee or something?"
• 3:40
  • "Lemme take a look" [looks at her phone]. I'm walking by myself, while maintaining a healthy distance from her. She's also walking on her own. If we were to walk side by side with our bodies touching each other, it would be easy to blow things up while figuring out the date plan, and you wouldn't even know what caused it. What he's saying is that she should feel like she's planning the date herself and convincing herself to go, instead of having us looking over her shoulder and pressuring her
  • [Couple seconds of silence as she's on her phone] "So why were you scared earlier?"
  • "It's just too direct"
  • "How about this? If you can't find a place, I'll take you to a place. I haven't been here for too long, but I do know a bar by 339"
  • "So you're here to promote alcohol then? Hahaha"
  • "Nah, I'm an athlete. I play sports"
  • "Is the place nearby?"
  • "It's 5 - 10 mins by taxi." Take the lead here when the girl doesn't know where to go
• 5:35: She just arrived in Chengdu today and is leaving for Beijing tomorrow, so we have to close her tonight. However, at this point, a lot of guys learning game would have started rushing. If you want to take her home tonight, we 100% cannot rush. We have to maintain some space
• 6:09: Before you guys get into a car together, establishing trust is very important. Our goal is to just exchange more basic information about each other, but it's unnecessary to be too exacting when it comes to the particular content
• 6:59: Here, we're testing her on purpose. I cross and pull to the left without giving her a heads up. Since she follows, there won't be resistance ahead
• 7:42: When the girl is actively flagging down a cab, a lot of newbies here would make the mistake of running after her, following her very closely, and giving her his full attention. You have to relax, give her space, and project a happy vibe around her. She already opened up. However, she isn't ready to go home nor make love with you yet, so don't act too excited. You need to observe her level of attraction, which is constantly in flux
• 8:58: He finally adds her on WeChat. They also exchange names. Note how her body is not facing Elon. Throughout the interaction, I think he did a great job since she gave him so little to work with, especially at the beginning. He kept things surface level, along with keeping talking to a minimum during the transitionary phase. Like he aptly mentions above, a lot of guys here would start asking her a ton of stupid ass go-nowhere questions and possibly fumble the ball. The top priority for this step is sorting out logistics, aka getting out of that thoroughfare quickly onto a cab and to the next venue, which is where the real action takes place. Onto part 2

Part 2 - venue to pull

Notable moments:

• 0:41: We just arrived at the bar. The drinks haven't been served yet. She isn't too opened up yet, so it's good to talk about her hobbies and interests. I'm not sure if I agree with the assessment of her initial state here. If you pay close attention, her left arm is away from her body and she's running her fingers through her hair multiple times. At least compared to how she was before they headed into the taxi, this is a very good improvement IMO
• 1:16:
  • "I don't often drink outside"
  • "So you drink at home?"
  • "Normally, drinking at home is more comfortable for me. I can watch TV... and then play with my cat, while stroking it"
  • "So your buddies around you who drink aren't good at drinking? They're not big drinkers then?"
  • "I'm very bad. I'm not sure if they're good at drinking though. I invite them to my home to drink."
  • "My friends from Beijing also like drinking a lot. They tell me to head over to their place and drink."
  • So much to unpack in this part of the dialogue. Essentially, he's framing how comfy it is to drink at his place and contrasting it with drinking outside to seed the pull
• 1:51: We moved the topic to drinking. Here, it's an easy transition to seeding the pull. I like to drink at home cuz normally when I drink at bars, it takes me 40 minutes to venue change back to my place. This is convenient to rationalize the pull home. Women need plausible deniability for the pull in order to override their own ASD
• 3:42: The girl thought that there were 2 different people talking to her instead of me approaching and re-approaching her at the beginning. Sometimes, girls don't pay close attention to you, and you simply get rejected. There was another guy trying to talk to her that afternoon at another location. This is hilarious lol
• 5:12:
  • "Let's swap venues"
  • "Ok. Let's get more to drink"
  • "Ok"
  • "Where are we going?"
  • "How about we find a bar, or we could grab a late night snack?"
  • "Let's grab a drink then"
• 5:36: He just walks out, while she's still getting her stuff
• 5:42: Before changing the venue, I send out a message. I begin to reduce my interest in her. The benefits of doing this are twofold. First, the chances of a venue change success approaches 100%. Second, you'll have to sign up for private coaching to get the rest. If I had to guess, the second reason here is us sending out mixed signals. You're obviously pushing the courtship forward by venue changing, but you're acting a bit more aloof to keep her guessing and keep her on her toes. We are trying to balance things out, I presume
• 6:09: When we're exiting the venue, she asks where we're going (bar or late night snack). Honestly, we could've said that we're going back to our place, and that would be ok, but ASD would be very strong. We could do either of the above. While we're walking to the taxi, we say "actually let's go back to our place" because we want a quieter environment. There, we could grab a drink or find something to eat. If you live in a hotel, you can first take a longer walk with her. Then, you can suggest going back to your hotel

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Questions

I don't expect anyone on YouTube to give out all their tips and trick for free, but I didn't see him dive too much into the below:

• Texting: I didn't see him recommend a particular texting structure to follow. Girl 2 was a straight hard close
• ASD and LMR: when he introduces the man-to-woman frame at his place without having done this earlier, my understanding is that this would lead to potentially strong LMR. I didn't see any techniques to handle this. I didn't see sex talk, sexual humor, micro-escalation, etc. My theoretical understanding of the mechanism is a bit light on how this would work, and it doesn't help that Elon doesn't explain in his videos

No analysis of infields would be complete without analyzing the authenticity of the videos. In my opinion, the majority of the videos appear to be authentic. However, I did have questions regarding the 2 below:

• At 1:55 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZPELyd1PI, he asks if the girl wants to take him out to dinner (she said she was hungry earlier), and she accepts. This is within 2 mins of interacting with her. Wtf?
  • Rebuttal: She's a tourist, she's on the prowl, her friend is doing something else, and she's hungry. Aka bright green light
• At 6:44 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vrlAnDeFEY, he says he met a Polish girl on an app. At 8:40 though, she's texting him on WeChat in Russian? Doesn't make sense
  • Rebuttal: He has so many girls that he can't remember their ethnicity / nationality

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Conclusion

Tagging @Atlas IV and @isildur1 since you guys understand Mandarin, so the rest of his channel may be of value to you. Anyone else with an advanced grasp of Mandarin please feel free to check out the channel.

Other videos of interest:

• In English
  • Russian supermodel for tier 1 fashion house (only time I've seen him touch a girl pre-pull): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCZl_0s_3cU
• In Mandarin
  • Civilian is late for a date and is fucked. Elon steals his girl and takes her home within 10 mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qUclp26h-I
  • The production crew dares Elon to pick up a girl in front of her date / boyfriend. Overcoming resistance when inviting her home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uybv77eScjU

~ Gorili out

 

[Atlas IV]

Amazing! What a freaking GOLD MINE you have found.

Great detailed write-up. I've only looked at a couple of this guy's videos, but I can already tell he's extremely good. Infields of a skilled Chinese seducer is something I never thought I'd see. Absolutely fascinating. Even his conversation style is really quite different - just chill and non-chalant, seeming almost bored and unengaged sometimes, yet continuously building up compliance.

Also his disarming openers - clearly designed for Chinese girls who come from a culture of fear where it is normal to be highly suspicious of strangers. This seems like the solution to something that has always puzzled me when approaching Chinese tourist girls.

And I believe he's from Hong Kong, which no doubt also gives him an edge (foreigner but also from the same culture).

Going to comb through this content over the weekend. Thanks for sharing!

 

[isildur1]

Damn your work ethic is insane

I’m currently in Dali now ( though I’m in a LTR and not dating) still working on my mandarin skills I’m at upper intermediate level in Chinese and Korean atm . I gamed in China back in 2019 and absolutely loved it .

 

[KJ Francis]

Another quality post from Professor Gorili.

I thought the same as Atlas - that he seems bored. Based on video 1, to me it does not really seem like deep diving. He doesn't get into any type of emotionally charged conversation, seduction oriented topics, etc. It seems more like interview-style that normally gets criticized on the boards here, like rapidly changing topics and staying at the surface level. It does however still keep the conversation on her and fully frame him as the screener.

However, that seems to kind of be the essence of his game, like "I am not impressed with you at all and you are barely holding my attention". He says he gives her tons of space to increase comfort through non-neediness and sort of push-pull her emotions? Like tightrope walking the attainability line. When they walk in the venue around 1:40 and he goes in front of her, she does a hair flip. I wonder if that is an IOI in response to the obvious lack of chivalry towards a girl who may usually be pedestalized? Like how he leaves the table and walks way ahead while she's still gathering her stuff.

And I thought the same about LMR, given zero physicality or sexual frame whatsoever in video 1. That is very surprising, but I wonder if his vibe of being non-impressed frames him totally as a player in her eyes and she accepts the frame internally before isolating. But we don't know if he spent an hour facing LMR and never got the lay. He also has 30 videos, which seems like a lot, but who knows over what time period they actually happened. For all we know he could be approaching all day every day among these massive populations and is only showing a tiny ratio here to sell his coaching. This is devil's advocate though - he is obviously doing a great job getting out there approaching hot girls and moving thing forward.

Sin [his PUA friend]

Is this Jon Sinn?

 

[Atlas IV]

A little update:

I just so happened to make an impromptu trip to China for a few days, so I've been watching this Elon guy's stuff and field testing different styles of approach on the streets of Kunming.

A couple of days isn't enough to draw conclusions about anything, but I already have a feeling that the indirect push-pull style of intentionally showing disinterest + no physical contact shown by this Cantonese guy is indeed more effective here than western style direct openers + nonverbal escalation.

I discussed this with @isildur1, and we both conclude that the style of game we're used to in the west is probably a bit overwhelming for the girls here, especially coming from a Chinese-speaking foreigner. The high level of autism is another factor (2 years of covid lockdowns has created an anxious, awkward young generation with poor social skills).

Some of the reactions I've had here to a direct compliment openers (in Chinese and English) have been wild. One girl thanked me profusely and hurried away, almost tripping over a chair in the process. Others just got extremely nervous and stuttered out that they have to go now. Even the ones that show obvious signs of interest seem to auto-reject because it's too much too quickly for them.

The one positive reaction I got was from an indirect seated two-set. I sat down nearby, then opened in a very relaxed indirect manner (similar to how I saw Elon do it) and tried not to show too much interest in the girl I was talking to. Surprisingly, although she was obviously very nervous, she was compliant and hooking, although too shy to make eye contact. She said a couple of times "you're really handsome", lol. Her friend took her phone away and encouraged her to talk to me. We exchanged WeChat and I tried to arrange a meet, but our schedules didn't match up. Still, it was nice to have at least one positive reaction, and it's telling that it was from the most indirect set.

One thing that this HK youtuber said is that before you can even think about generating attraction with (Chinese) girls, it's very important to first reassure them that you are not a threat. Sometimes he even goes so far as to directly say "I'm not a bad guy!" or "don't worry, I'm not trying to sell you anything! I just want to make friends."

It makes sense when I think about it. Culture of fear/suspicion + 2 years of social isolation + tanking economy + almost zero contact with foreigners + super slow and indirect dating culture = girls freak out when suddenly a confident foreigner hits on them.

I plan to make several more trips to China over the coming year, so one thing I'm going to focus on is crafting a style of game that works well, and developing my "China persona" (I've never gamed here so this is an entirely new experience for me). Might even be worth considering some coaching with this HK guy just to see exactly how he does it (he intentionally leaves out many key details in the videos like the exact openers he uses, his texting, etc - no doubt to sell his course).

 

[KJ Francis]

she was compliant and hooking, although too shy to make eye contact. She said a couple of times "you're really handsome", lol. Her friend took her phone away and encouraged her to talk to me.

This is interesting and awesome.

Thanks for field testing! I am going to keep everything you wrote in mind. Sometimes I run into students who just came over from China so they may have similarly heightened fear.

 

[Atlas IV]

Another update:

I just spent a few days in Taipei on business, during which I managed to get in a dozen or so daygame approaches.

What I can say anecdotally about Taiwanese girls is that they seem completely different from Chinese girls.

They were super warm, open and friendly - hardly a trace of the fear/apprehension that I noticed with girls in China. Very relaxed and comfortable talking to a foreigner by comparison.

I actually scrapped this Elon method of acting nonchalant and showing indifference, and instead ran my usual Torero-style daygame of direct compliments with strong nonverbals and qualification. Whether in Chinese or English (I tried in English first), they responded way more positively than girls in Kunming. Even the ones who weren't interested were still very genuine and polite.

And I must say, the girls are BEAUTIFUL in Taipei. So many stunners with nice faces, thin bodies and yet great curves (Last time I was here was during covid, everyone was wearing masks and I was in a LTR, so I guess I never paid much notice).

If my living circumstances allows it, I will definitely be taking regular trips to both China and Taiwan.

Sorry to turn your post into my blog @Gorili, just thought this little experience might be of interest to anyone following this guy's game. I am quite positive now that his system is tailored specifically to the unique characteristics of Mainland Chinese girls.