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Is Cold Approach still better than Online game in 2024?

Bob Z

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From my understanding seduction community dogma has always been that cold approach is far superior to online. Lately I feel like the tide has changed and now I see even experienced and successful cold approach guys on here cross gaming and getting good with online. Curious what more experienced guys thoughts are here?

BTW this isn't cope post. Ik cold approach works. My last girlfriend and most of the girls i've slept with have come from cold approach. I am just beginning to rethink my dogmatic aversion to online.

In my observation online game is getting less taboo and it seems like the guy/girl ratio is getting better especially on platforms like hinge marketed towards relationships. The quality of girls on there honestly seems to be going wayyyy up - probably city dependent though. I remember in old girlschase article Chase made the claim along the lines that the same guy could get the highest quality of girls from daygame, then nightgame, then online game as the lowest. This was surely true at time, but I think things have changed.

In my experience I think the girls I see and have a chance with from online game are now at least as hot/quality as the girls you'd see in nightgame (unless you're in college or at private party/elite social circle game etc). Honestly I would go so far to say that the quality seems to be higher. The girls I see out at bars are generally less attractive than the ones I match with on dating apps. Even with elite nightgame skills I genuinely don't see that many girls out at all who are better looking than the girls attainable through online game - of course I'm sure this is also partly location dependent. Obviously its much easier to get quantity with online game. Nightgame of course has ONS potential which I suppose is plus. In my generation (gen z) there is not much culture around going out to get laid post-college. If you want to get laid you go on apps is the culture.

Daygame still has better quality and potential to get the all elusive "stunner." However getting a high volume of approaches in daygame is difficult in most cities and usually limited towards warmer months. Most of the girls I end up approaching are about equivalent to who I'd be able to get online - just bc if I didn't approach these girls I'd be doing maybe one approach in 2 hours lol. Seeing the weather change and my "hot-spot" for daygame dry up is what prompted me to start thinking about this - as well as some initial successes using Skills daygame funnel with online. I don't even have fully optimized pictures. I'm starting to question my priorities - perhaps it would be better to spend 2-3 hours going to scenic location and trying to get great picture than spend that time daygaming? I do love the process and getting over my AA and going out to meet girls - its thrilling.

I honestly feel a bit sad even saying this bc for the longest time I've idealized cold approach and hated on online. But maybe the times are changing. Any thoughts?
 

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Not really experienced enough to be an authority on this, but I can say from the low level of approaches I've done, they've all been with hotter girls than I've ever matched with online. Probably my fault for having terrible photos.

But I think there's also a difference between hotness and overall quality of the woman. The girl you want to keep around is probably way less likely to be online. They all go to the grocery store, the pharmacy, the coffee shop, etc.

Assuming a high enough level of skill where you can effectively approach have a successful daytime interaction, I think day would be preferable by far. Online will screen girls in for being single, receptive, and high enough in need to have to resort to online. I think with enough approach volume to the point you are meeting vs. matching the same number of single, receptive girls, daytime has got to be higher quality. I have seen plenty of "hot" girls online, but I have not really seen the truly beautiful women online (including non-matches) that I have observed in real life.
 

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I will also add that it is for sure area dependent. I have to travel out a bit to reach good areas. Anytime I'm in a hotspot where I'm looking around and seeing hot girls everywhere to the point I'm practically pinching myself, I am not nearly so impressed when I pull put my phone and see who's got a profile in the area.

In bad cold approach areas, I may see more online. Like if the city's boring, maybe girls stay home. But maybe that means it's a low competition area as well, and you'd clean up with the girls you do run into. But yeah overall I think assuming good skill and good location, cold is king.
 

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I think it’s not either/or. Skills has written some good posts/threads about this. According to him, in the post-covid landscape, you should be using as many avenues as possible to secure vulva:

social circle (house parties)
cold day (street, public transit, shopping malls, libraries, bookstores, grocery shops, etc.)
cold night (bars, clubs, lounges)
warm (networking events, art exhibits, etc.)
online
 

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From my understanding seduction community dogma has always been that cold approach is far superior to online. Lately I feel like the tide has changed and now I see even experienced and successful cold approach guys on here cross gaming and getting good with online. Curious what more experienced guys thoughts are here?

BTW this isn't cope post. Ik cold approach works. My last girlfriend and most of the girls i've slept with have come from cold approach. I am just beginning to rethink my dogmatic aversion to online.

In my observation online game is getting less taboo and it seems like the guy/girl ratio is getting better especially on platforms like hinge marketed towards relationships. The quality of girls on there honestly seems to be going wayyyy up - probably city dependent though. I remember in old girlschase article Chase made the claim along the lines that the same guy could get the highest quality of girls from daygame, then nightgame, then online game as the lowest. This was surely true at time, but I think things have changed.

In my experience I think the girls I see and have a chance with from online game are now at least as hot/quality as the girls you'd see in nightgame (unless you're in college or at private party/elite social circle game etc). Honestly I would go so far to say that the quality seems to be higher. The girls I see out at bars are generally less attractive than the ones I match with on dating apps. Even with elite nightgame skills I genuinely don't see that many girls out at all who are better looking than the girls attainable through online game - of course I'm sure this is also partly location dependent. Obviously its much easier to get quantity with online game. Nightgame of course has ONS potential which I suppose is plus. In my generation (gen z) there is not much culture around going out to get laid post-college. If you want to get laid you go on apps is the culture.

Daygame still has better quality and potential to get the all elusive "stunner." However getting a high volume of approaches in daygame is difficult in most cities and usually limited towards warmer months. Most of the girls I end up approaching are about equivalent to who I'd be able to get online - just bc if I didn't approach these girls I'd be doing maybe one approach in 2 hours lol. Seeing the weather change and my "hot-spot" for daygame dry up is what prompted me to start thinking about this - as well as some initial successes using Skills daygame funnel with online. I don't even have fully optimized pictures. I'm starting to question my priorities - perhaps it would be better to spend 2-3 hours going to scenic location and trying to get great picture than spend that time daygaming? I do love the process and getting over my AA and going out to meet girls - its thrilling.

I honestly feel a bit sad even saying this bc for the longest time I've idealized cold approach and hated on online. But maybe the times are changing. Any thoughts?

If you're fine with dating apps and you're matching with hot girls on there who want to go out with you, then it's a no brainer. That's really the basis for making a decision on this. You should try it yourself, random tiny samples of other people's experiences aren't going to tell you anything useful.

Personally I don't like the idea of dating apps, mainly because for me seduction is as much about the approach as it is about sex. What turns me on the most is walking up to a girl who's just going about her day and not trying to get anyone's attention, and making something happen out of nothing. I know a lot of guys don't care about that and just want to get laid efficiently, and that's perfectly fine, everyone should do whatever turns them on.

As for which one is more efficient for high quality girls, it's very hard to say, and everyone's got a different opinion that is usually biased toward whatever they have already chosen. I've never been on dating apps so this is not empirically proven, but my sense is that the best quality girls would not be on there. The rationale for this is:

a) There are statistically more dudes than girls on there, which means that girls generally need it less than guys. And guess which girls need it the least?

b) Everything I know about girls suggests to me that a hot girl in the right frame of mind would not find the experience of using dating apps particularly pleasant.

c) I just don't find a girl who uses dating apps as attractive as one who doesn't. It's like a girl who wears super skimpy clothes, sure she can do whatever she wants, but she's probably not the sort I'm after. I prefer when she goes after what she wants in much more strategic ways - and if she's a high quality girl she's already swimming in opportunity.

YMMV.
 
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I think part of it comes down to the fact that damn near everything in life has shifted more online in the past few years, especially since covid. Ten years ago everyone went out on the weekends, people primarily went shopping at stores, and worked at a physical location, whether it be in retail, an office, etc.

Nowdays we have an over abundance of online shopping, people working virtually, and people dating virtually too. Going out to socialize has become more of a lost art. While I still don’t do much in terms of online, I’ve found instagram to be a great way to instantly showcase a fun/attractive lifestyle. Got my first “online lay” from a girl I talked to on IG too.

That being said, I think you’ll stand out way more doing cold approach. Most guys just don’t have the balls to do it. And there are still venues with lots of hot women. For daytime I’ve found the best locations to be neighborhoods on the fringe of the city center with upscale apartments/condos. Every girl with a dog has to walk it if they don’t have a yard… But if you’re doing well with online and getting the results you want, go for it! It wouldn’t still exist if it didn’t work
 

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I believe online is heavily overrated.. I am KILLING it offline these days, but online is much more difficult plus the girls there are not that superb. Doesn/t matter if it has become less of a taboo to go online, it is also less of a taboo to be in friendzone instead of being a player. Doesnt mean friendzone works (unless you are me, then it can work lol).

I also get all these guys telling me to GO ONLINE MAN!! But what I notice from these guys is that they mean well but they ALL date far below their league. For them if it is pussy it is enough. I can get that already, hell I barely need game for it nor online. Just go to a venue and talk up with some girls.

The thing I dislike most about online is that it becomes most tempting during the winter... when places die out and it becomes less easy to find someone if you are not at college or whatever. But online creates negative conditioning, suddenly you believe women are super hard to get and only the ugly ones react.. until you unplug and get into real life again.

So yeah this is a subject I really hate, back before facebook was a thing by the way I really got a lot of girls from online, but things were different then.. society was not on steroids yet.
 

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There's a great thread on this which is now stickied in the Texting & Online sub-forum.

As Topcat and TomInHo explained there, online dating has to be treated like a sales funnel, because what you're presenting online isn't really you, it's just a persona and you're just pressing buttons to get a desired output.

So I think it comes down to your skillset. If you're good at optimizing sales funnels and you apply that to online, you'll probably do well at it. If your inner game, fundamentals and social skills are good, you'll do well at cold approach.

There are so many variables that it's impossible to say one is universally better than the other.
 

DonGately

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There's a great thread on this which is now stickied in the Texting & Online sub-forum.

As Topcat and TomInHo explained there, online dating has to be treated like a sales funnel, because what you're presenting online isn't really you, it's just a persona and you're just pressing buttons to get a desired output.
Also, if you don't like the game you're playing, change the game.

You can go on Facebook marketplace on look for women in your ares selling wedding dresses: they'll be recent divorcees or girls who got dumped by their fiancee. Most of them will be looking for a new man or at least a new bang.

Then, filter by size of dress to suit your preferred body type.
 

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Depends - for me personally i never enjoyed online game even the one time i successfully got laid from it - Cold Approach just felt like a better more organic way of starting a relationship for me and my current girlfriend in fact my Aunt mentioned how great it was that me and my girlfriend actually met face to face and not online.

I wish i started cold approaching earlier - my only regret- i started late 2017 three years after leaving university but things only got in motion 2018-2019 i never cared much about online dating as i didn't enjoy convincing women to like me through a screen:


I hated what online dating did for the community – it completely killed the pua community and really prevented men from coming together and approaching women and broadening their horizons. It also devalued and commoditised men making them very replaceable.. It is what it is I only ever got one online dating lay but that was in Brazil which is a much easier enviornment than in London still if it didn’t exist i believe the amount of lays per 100 cold approaches i do would increase. Yeah i think women have it easy in the west. I watch my female cousin who lives in New York treat men like garbage- she’s pretty spoilt there . It’s not good but what can i do ? theres dating inequality everywhere in the world. The west favours women – East favours men. If you’re a female 9/10 living in Philippines, Thailand or Vietnam youre in for a tough time the same way a male 9/10 living in London or New York would still need to put a lot of work in approaching and meeting people .

I still think cold approach has its merit - if you have good wingman especially it can be very rewarding - i think nowadays social circles and people pro-actively doing it are less and thus the quality of wingmen are less as most the high quality men got laid off the apps and better looking men are usually more egotistical when it comes to transitioning to cold approach.

That i think men's brains got fucked during covid- post covid i certainly saw a lot less men doing proactive face to face dating - i still love meeting new people but my wings dont seem to have the same passion for it as i did - i guess it's relevance is also depedant on where you live- if you live in a crazy metropolitan city like London with 100ks of new students coming every year you will always have some degree of abundance - if you live in a small 100-150k city then daygame will have obvious limitations

 

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Guys how come you don't @Skills when you guys mention me or use my stuff lol... I need the validation j/k

Op i used to be an og that was against online, if you go to my main site or look at some of my archives i was against online/apps....

But i personally think EVERYONE, should learn cold approach, and get started with COLD APPROACH vs getting started with online.... Is hard from guys to transition from online to cold approach....

vs a guy going from cold approach to online... And i notice if they do both together, they will rather do the easier aka online....

There are advantages and disadvantage to both.... I still think cold approach has the advantage of you can hit wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy above your belt for example if you are a normie you may be able to get a 9 or a 10 via cold approach.... Harder to do online, online will sometimes limit you based on demo (a 50 year old may not be seen by a 19 year old unless sugar daddy form of online)...

I think people should practice, master and be well rounded at all forms of game, due to the competitive nature of the market...

If the guys is really good at cold approach he may not want to do online.... That is my experience, then again if the guy is really good at online, he will be "Why bother with cold approach"....

online has the advantage that will teach you how to run a "date" properly.... Specially if guys are night gamers....

Online may also help you with "texting", but the "texting" is different... I would not use the online texting (more of screening) compare to a "day game texting" but you can use things from both....

@Bob Z your observation are 100% correct by the way.... specially the issues on the different games..... Night game unfortunately is going through a decline that i have seen happening for the last 10 years, after corona it has gotten so INCONSISTENT IN USA, the night game of today is caca compare to how night game used to be... But still my preference....

Being well rounded is good like an mma fighter that knows striking, grappling, jujitsu.... vs saying jujitsu is superior....

But again, community is base on field testing... Field test properly different games, and make your own conclusions, like it seems you have....
 
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