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Preopening is generally to get her in more of a social mood for less direct openers to work better. This can he anything from eye contact to a shoulder touch to saying "hey" before your opener
Generally, it is not necessary if you go direct.
But If a set is walking, I open next to her slightly ahead while walking in the same direction and try to make brief eye contact and say "Woah." It saves me from having to repeat myself if she is distracted from a tough day.
Generally, it is not necessary if you go direct.
But If a set is walking, I open next to her slightly ahead while walking in the same direction and try to make brief eye contact and say "Woah." It saves me from having to repeat myself if she is distracted from a tough day.
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Curious to hear experienced day gamers on this one.
I've tried pre-opening during day game before throwing it out the window completely.
95% of the chicks I approach in day game are moving targets. Besides a small wave to catch their attention, I don't pre-open.
I think if you follow the "don't startle" her on the approach rule, you'll be fine.
But yeah, curious to hear how you guys are pre-opening girls in day game.
I've tried pre-opening during day game before throwing it out the window completely.
95% of the chicks I approach in day game are moving targets. Besides a small wave to catch their attention, I don't pre-open.
I think if you follow the "don't startle" her on the approach rule, you'll be fine.
But yeah, curious to hear how you guys are pre-opening girls in day game.
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Depends on where you’re at, when we pre-open we’re trying to gauge their receptiveness. Their receptiveness on: being talked to, being talked to by you, hanging around in a conversation with you after you open, and their interest levels/receptivity.
So that when you go “all in” you minimize them bowing out of the interaction prematurely, and taking on unnecessary snubs at your confidence levels.
I.e by Interpreting it as a rejection, and losing momentum.
What i’ve noticed is it’s all the same goal but context dependent; depending on where you’re at.
So you just have to use what’s socially available and acceptable depending on the context to achieve your goal. Daytime opening is the easiest “goal” during the day but feels the most risky emotionally.
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So that when you go “all in” you minimize them bowing out of the interaction prematurely, and taking on unnecessary snubs at your confidence levels.
I.e by Interpreting it as a rejection, and losing momentum.
What i’ve noticed is it’s all the same goal but context dependent; depending on where you’re at.
So you just have to use what’s socially available and acceptable depending on the context to achieve your goal. Daytime opening is the easiest “goal” during the day but feels the most risky emotionally.
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- Walk with your head up and physically move slower. Not like a snail but slow your pace so that you can see opportunities.
- Use your peripheral vision so that you can get a gist of attractive girls
- Draw attention to yourself, rub the back of your neck, stroke your facial hair etc
- Use your peripherals to see what girls are reacting to you drawing attention to yourself
- Move your head slowly and make eye contact normally these girls will already be looking at your face
- Smirk at them, usually they will smile back.
- This is enough to serve as a pre-open but you can go further by commenting something I.E, Hi, I like your shoes/dress, something about the weather
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Day game is a broad concept if you mean street game yeah that is pretty hard unless you cobsider peacocking as a good pre opener whixh it can be. But means you need finesse. But in other places whixh are less energetic and more slow YES you can pre open in daygame
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I have touched upon this in one of my earlier post about increasing ratio of lays to approaches in daygame:
'From my experience with many thousands of approaches over 5-6 years - One technique that is key to your daygame lays - is to have the woman see you before you approach her.
She should have a few seconds to process you, feel a certain way(based on your fundamentals).
If she fancy you from what she sees, it's all downhill from there(she will do most of the work for you as well)
If she's on the fence, your game determines how far you can go.
If she placed you in the 'no' category - she'll make it clear early on'
Pre-open, as I see it is a way to accomplish this objective.
How do I do it?
1. The patented 'hover' popularized by Gunwitch - works like a charm. (This works only for stationary targets)
2. For moving targets - Get ahead of her, catch her looking at you while you turn your head towards her, then open. If she isn't looking at you already, you checking her out will get her to look at you(Check out LR's from @Proper)
3. Improve your peripheral vision - Avoid scanning for targets or staring at girls before approaching. I have described this in detail here
When you're in a situation where you can't pre-open, follow the advice of @James D above - Just don't startle her.
'From my experience with many thousands of approaches over 5-6 years - One technique that is key to your daygame lays - is to have the woman see you before you approach her.
She should have a few seconds to process you, feel a certain way(based on your fundamentals).
If she fancy you from what she sees, it's all downhill from there(she will do most of the work for you as well)
If she's on the fence, your game determines how far you can go.
If she placed you in the 'no' category - she'll make it clear early on'
Pre-open, as I see it is a way to accomplish this objective.
How do I do it?
1. The patented 'hover' popularized by Gunwitch - works like a charm. (This works only for stationary targets)
2. For moving targets - Get ahead of her, catch her looking at you while you turn your head towards her, then open. If she isn't looking at you already, you checking her out will get her to look at you(Check out LR's from @Proper)
3. Improve your peripheral vision - Avoid scanning for targets or staring at girls before approaching. I have described this in detail here
When you're in a situation where you can't pre-open, follow the advice of @James D above - Just don't startle her.
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I am with @James D on this. I think all this stuff confuses and creates more anxiety than it helps. As long as you don't startle her, its good enough. Of course, I am talking about beginners and intermediates here. For advanced guys who are already past AA and are just looking to be more selective in their opens, this is good.
But most others will just use all this as another way of overthinking, running mental movies in their head and finding excuses to not open. Until you have 5+lays at least from daygame, better just train yourself to open any and every girl you find attractive.
But most others will just use all this as another way of overthinking, running mental movies in their head and finding excuses to not open. Until you have 5+lays at least from daygame, better just train yourself to open any and every girl you find attractive.
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yeh this stuff is all mental masturbation. Just go in to the set. I've even had some really good reactions (ie; dates, sex) after startling a girl. It doesn't really matter.
But I will say I found it much easier to approach in a mall setting. Feels like girls are generally just walking around slowly, taking their time, so its easier to stop them. Sometimes on the street its can be like trying to stop a bullet train, with the speed that some of them walk.
But I will say I found it much easier to approach in a mall setting. Feels like girls are generally just walking around slowly, taking their time, so its easier to stop them. Sometimes on the street its can be like trying to stop a bullet train, with the speed that some of them walk.