Is there a fundamental difference about penetrative sex in a girl's mind?

[timtobbler]

Let's compare two nights with two different girls. You meet each girl somewhere, connect with her, ask her out, meet up, bring her home.

Girl one has three crushing orgasms under your fingers but there's no penis-in-vagina at all.

Girl two has a nice 20 minutes of penis-in-vagina, but nothing crushing about it.

Is there something about the fact that girl two got the dick and girl one didn't that puts you in a fundamentally different position with her? I'd assume you'd be in a better position with girl two, but why?

 

[trashKENNUT]

A LOT of difference. Like a lot

 

[WorkingOnIt]

I think there is something deeply animalistic to be said about physically penetrating and dominating a woman with your penis. I can’t see a woman sticking around for very long if you’re not consistently making her orgasm with your cock inside her most of the time. Even if she is cumming with the clit, I think she will jump on the chance to be with a man that dominates her with his cock physically if given the chance. It’s the act of being forced to submit to the mans physicality and being. That alone is a desire and need that needs to be filled for a woman.

 

[Franco]

timtobbler,

I believe there's both a primal difference and a social difference.

The primal aspect of it is penetrating a woman's genitalia with your own, male genitalia which signals dominance and mating. That's a biological thing that can never be replaced by any other type of penetration that does not involve a penis from a male. WorkingOnIt addressed it decently well.

The social difference is a "sluttiness" thing, as well as a "I haven't psychologically submitted to you if your penis hasn't been inside me yet" type of thing. It doesn't matter how many times you make her cum with your mouth and your fingers if your penis doesn't go inside her: in her mind, you did not have sexual intercourse yet, and everything you did together was just "intimate fun." She has not submitted to you, and she basically took things one step farther than just "foreplay" but nowhere near penis-in-vagina sexual intercourse.

If this leads to the question, "if I have a choice to give a girl several orgasms with my mouth and tongue for the first time or no orgasms with my cock for the first time, which should I choose?" My answer would be put your dick in her, even if it's only for a minute or two. At that point, the girl has truly "submitted" to you, and it's no longer just "intimate fun" and moved into the realm of "sexual dominance and mating."

Hope that helps!

- Franco

 

[Rain]

Is the effect of that 'submission' ineffective if you're using a condom and/or the woman is using a ring/diaphram? Those are some physical barriers, there area also things like the contraceptive pill that doesn't provide a physical barrier but still is meant to help possibly stop pregnancy.... unsure if the nonphysical ones make any difference to our discussion, I'm guessing not... unless the contraceptive pill makes the woman want a less 'strong' man, and then does the submission thing still count in that case, I'm gussing yes?

 

[Fuck This]

Is the effect of that 'submission' ineffective if you're using a condom and/or the woman is using a ring/diaphram? Those are some physical barriers, there area also things like the contraceptive pill that doesn't provide a physical barrier but still is meant to help possibly stop pregnancy.... unsure if the nonphysical ones make any difference to our discussion, I'm guessing not... unless the contraceptive pill makes the woman want a less 'strong' man, and then does the submission thing still count in that case, I'm gussing yes?

In today's STI/STD situation condoms are just part of the deal, UNTIL you get in a commited relationship. Granted, I've been amazed at the women who eschewed the use of condoms with me, but as a recently divorced man with a Vasectomy, I was a safe bet in their minds.